Good for you, and congratulations on finding freedom! Of all the problems that humans face, why would we also choose to spend time (hours)muttering to the invisible nothing. Then, take classes to learn to do it better. All the best to you, and may you gain strength in the human walk, as opposed to the painful mincing gait to the front of the church for the crying festival. Love and care, Clair

Good for you! You must feel a whole lot better now! That kind of God needs to be trash-canned!

There's more to what you're saying, in saying that you left God for good. Going along with the book title GOD IS NOT GREAT, you have figured out that God is not good. By leaving the brainwashing of Christianity behind, you can now begin to truly embrace goodness - because without the crutch of God, you can truly examine the effects of your actions on others, insed of doing it because it's expected of you. Congratulations on escaping - I hope others will see through your decency and happiness how much better a life of freethought than a life of lies through God is!

Clair said,

"Of all the problems that humans face, why would we also choose to spend time (hours)muttering to the invisible nothing. Then, take classes to learn to do it better."

Great statement clair !!!! I could see those words on billboards across the nation.

Hey Laurie,

So now you are what I have seen called an ex-exgay. I was raised by parents who were God believers but could never embrace Christianity because of the gay issue. My dad's first cousin was gay and came of age in the 1940's. This wonderful man told my father of all his self hated and the many cures he sought for his gayness religious and not, back in the days when it was considered a psycological disorder. He finally came to the realization he was born that way, and cousin Clint was accepted by the whole family.

I am so happy you have escaped the cult so to speak and are able to live your life free of guilt. I wish you much happiness and please don't be a stranger around here.

Congrats on your deconversion! Your story says a lot about your personal courage. Though I am not homosexual myself (which according to Stephen Colbert, just making that statement means I am... lol), I think it is natural and sometimes inherited. You can observe homosexual behaviors in other species too. I'm not sure why homosexuality causes such fear in Christians. I remember when I was a Christian, and I used to make those canned statements about homosexuals. You know like, 'well the bible tells us that homosexuality is a sin, but so is premarital sex and lying." Blah blah blah! At the same time though I worked in retail management, and had a several gay friends/employees. I remember being flattered when a homosexual man would express interest in me. What a closet hypocrite I was!

What an awesome story! I am so happy for you :) I hope your family gets past this rough time very soon.

You are who you are, and so what? anyone says. Be yourself and be happy. Love and Peace, Roger...A/A
P.S. Hope the family situation gets ok.

I am so happy that you have gone back to your true self.

Although I am not homosexual, I went through a divorce (my choice to leave the marriage) and all my Christian friends did the same thing to me. Being apart from the social structure of church, I realized there was nothing left. No God to help me, just myself.

I realized that the inner conviction of "the Holy Spirit" I used to feel was nothing more than my own self telling me what was best for me. It is a built in part of humanity that we all share in common, and it lies uniquely in each of us and not some larger being with one set of rules for everyone the same.

In my search (and really as a form of therapy), I started a documentary about divorce in the church and began talking to people with the same circumstances. While doing this, I ran across a film called "In God We Trust". It is about 'ex-ex gays', as xrayman mentioned. You should check it out, it may speak to you.

Again, congratulations on coming back to your real self. Take care.

Whoops - that film I mentioned in my post above (about the absurdity of ex-gay "ministries") is actually called "One Nation Under God." There is an article about it below.

http://www.firstrunfeatures.com/onenationundergoddvd.html

Hi Laurie and welcome to the world of reality.

I was once "lost" too but found myself through freethought and such. I find I am so much happier than my previous life with "God".

I also find myself much more accepting of others no matter who or what they are labeled. Growing up in the south I had many pre-conceived ideas that I am glad to be rid of as an atheist.

Good luck with your family problems and I wish you only the best life has to offer.

Why do gays always have to throw it in your face?

Thats as offensive as some heterosexual always throwing it in your face.

Keep your pants on and quit trying to force everyone else into your sex hangup.

Why do gays always have to throw it in your face?

I used to pride myself on taking the high road in situations like this...but I think I'm going to try a different tack today...

Anonymous, Fuck off.

There goes the high road. I'm sick of people like this acting as if any positive mention of homosexuality is "throwing it in your face". Invariably, these people think the same thing about two men or women holding hands in public, or sitting with their arms around each other, but never think that straight people doing the same thing is "throwing it in your face".

Laurie, congratulations. For me, my sexuality (in your face, anony!) also started my journey toward deconversion. Some christian friends and family believe I have deconverted because I'm gay and I needed to 'reject god' in order to live 'that lifestyle'. It makes them feel better, I guess, to think that. But the truth is, one of the reasons I DID start seeking out whether or not the bible is the 'literal, inerrant word of god" is because I knew I was gay. It occurred to me that if I was going to spend my life repressing who I am because of what the bible says (which I was trying to do , by the way), then I'd better at least study both sides of the story. All my life I'd been taught that the bible would stand up to scrutiny, and so I didn't seriously consider that this would lead to my loss of faith. In fact, I thought it would just confirm that it was all true.

Imagine my surprise when my House of Cards fell so quickly. Google could very well become the death of fundamentalist Christianity, because it didn't take long for me to find all sorts of information from the 'other side' to read. And when I did, I also found it made a whole lot more sense than the BS I'd been fed all of my life.

I discovered that whether I was gay or straight, this stuff still was unreasonable to believe. Deconversion was a difficult and lonely process, but it was also a liberating one as well. I discovered that I am okay as I am. I discovered that I actually like myself this way.

Thank you so much for sharing your story, Laurie.

Different Now Wrote: "I realized that the inner conviction of "the Holy Spirit" I used to feel was nothing more than my own self telling me what was best for me. It is a built in part of humanity that we all share in common, and it lies uniquely in each of us and not some larger being with one set of rules for everyone the same."

That is exactly right!

I couldn't have said it any better.

Immature Anonymous Poster Wrote:

"Why do gays always have to throw it in your face?

Thats as offensive as some heterosexual always throwing it in your face.

Keep your pants on and quit trying to force everyone else into your sex hangup."

I don't see anyone throwing anything in anyone's face. People have the right to share who they are with others if they desire to do so.

Nobody is trying to force others into a sex hangup. I don't know where you got that idea, however it seems to me that people like you are trying to conform everyone else to what the mainstream (Prejudice Biggots) want.

Grow up.

@Anonymous: It looks like you're the only one who is offended. Let me guess...you're a Christian. Hmm...and you're reading posts at an ex-Christian site and immaturely lashing out at what you read. It looks like you are the one who is throwing your idiocy in our faces.

Go back to church. Don't worry. We won't miss you on here.

A girl learning to drive gets into a car with her father, and cranks it. The father explains that she has to ease off the clutch while giving it gas to make the car drive, or it will stall and die. The girl, 100% certain that she'll get it right the first time, lets go of the clutch a little too quickly and the car jumps forward before going dead.

The girl looks down at the wheel with a bewildered look on her face. The father repeats what he told her before, putting emphasis on the clutch part. She tries again; the same thing happens. Her little brother is kicking the back of her seat and making fun of her; she can't concentrate, so she makes the same mistake again.

Finally, after a couple more tries, she gives up. There are tears in her eyes as she gets out and slams the door, throwing the keys on the ground and running off to her friend's house, determined to never humiliate herself by trying to drive again.

Meanwhile, the father is sitting in the car, almost in tears himself, knowing the relationship he had with his daughter will more than likely be strained after this.

Chibiq, is there a point to your post? Just wondering.

To anonybiggot,

As a hetero male, I would be delighted if lesbians wish to throw their sex in my face. ;}

Chibiq,

A girl needs to learn how to drive a car. She is convinced by someone to let her godfather teach her.

She tries to contact her godfather, who has never been a part of her life. She calls a phone number that someone, who claims to know him, told her was his. It rings and rings, but ther is never an answer.

She tries writing to him at an address that was given to her by someone who claims to know him. She writes several letters and gets no response.

She realizes that she has never had one bit of credible evidence that she even has a godfather and decides to go to a professional driving instructor.

Jim,

Here's the point, I think:
It is better to learn to drive automatic at first.


;)

Why do gays always have to throw it in your face?

Huh. I thought the line was "why are gays always trying to stuff it down our throats". (You'd be surprised how many times I've seen that written by homophobes. Repressing maybe?)

Anyway, sexual orientation IS a big deal because conservative christians are constantly obsessing about it, and always trying to control the sexual behavior of others. Their constant harping on the "deviant" and "sinful" behavior of gays and lesbians makes sexual orientation a very valid issue to someone's deconversion. It certainly was to my gay brother.

So anonybot, if you don't want to hear about it, you should just stay in your basement and let the adults talk.

Expanding on Spirula's point, sex in general is a strong weapon in the xian arsenal, because it is such a powerful drive within most of us. Church leaders have always used our needs and desires for manipulation (thanks for the food, etc.). And when you can start to program children with ideas like "sex is bad," by the time they are old enough to want it, they are likely to feel huge guilt over these thoughts or actions, and will seek forgiveness. Where? Why, the church, of course.

Also, to chibiq; Unlike the girl in your charming allegory, most of us here actually learned to drive, listing to the instructions giving to us by the human in next seat. However, unlike you, we did not stop at learning to drive, we also studied the manual and deconstructed the car to look at the engine. Inside the fuel tank, we found fossilized carbon compounds and no God.

Quick thing: gays do not, quote, throw it in your face, end quote. This is like saying that atheists are angry, at God or at Christians or at themselves. It is simply not true. While there are SOME angry atheists, and SOME gays throw it in your face, this cannot represent more than a small percentage of either group, 1 to 2% at most. Saying that gays throw it in your face is an idea that does not exist outside the polemics of the homophobic group in question.

Also; getting hit on by a gay guy does not qualify having his "gayness" thrown in your face.

A girl learning to drive gets into a car and finds a note on the passenger seat that states: "Honey, this is your father speaking, and I am sitting right next to you. I promise". She rubs her eyes, and takes a second look around, inside and out', but sees nothing. To give benefit of doubt, before she attempts to crank the ignition, she asks, outloud, "Father, what do I do first?" Dead silence. Eager to learn to drive, she attempts to crank the car anyway. The car stalls out because she didn't have the clutch depressed. Desperate--she calls out once more, "PLEASE, father...what am I doing wrong?!?!?!" Again, DEAD silence.

Finally, after 45 minutes of trial and error, and various attempts to communicate with "her father", she was finally able to get the car in and out of gear on HER OWN. ~ The end.

This parable brought you by Chibiq's smarter brother.

Oh, and to see just how obsessive these fundies are about gays, look at this:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality

and then this:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Statistics

To the person who said that gays are always "throwing it in your face"--I myself, having been an old homophobe for many years, finally came to the realization that it takes all types to make this world go 'round. I've seen the 'good ole boys' do their share of "throwing their sexuality in your face" over the years with their snide little sexist remarks when females are around, and I've seen the 'good old girls' do their share of "throwing their sexuality in your face" with their extremely tight, short skirts, and cleavage-revealing blouses and provocative language in mixed groups. We are what we are. It's no concern of mine if someone wants to be gay, straight, christian, non-christian, x-christian. Be what you want to be as long as you are not hurting anyone else. If it makes you happy, then be gay! If it makes you happy, then be straight! I've lived long enough to know that no one can make someone else be anything other than what they were born to be. It's up to the individual to decide what's right for them---not up to someone else. I am happy that most folks that visit this site seem to be pretty content with who they are. Why is it that there is always someone out there who thinks they can make another person happier, more sin-free, more moral.....more of anything else....than what that person already is?

PJ wrote: “Why is it that there is always someone out there who thinks they can make another person happier, more sin-free, more moral.....more of anything else....than what that person already is?”

Because if they don’t, then their God, who loves us and wants the best for us, will burn us in HELL for all eternity. Can you imagine the pressure?

(not anti-gay biggot anon) congats on your new life. I hope you are truely happy as an ex-christian. Self hate is a moral of christianity and realizing that is the single most positive thing that ever happened in my life. congrats again and good luck

To Rickyusvi

I've found that those types of Christians (the ones under so much pressure they feel the need to assure anyone with beliefs other than their own, that we will roast in hell)are usually the same ones who like to slow down and get a good look at an automobile wreck with injuries.

From another post: "Anyway, sexual orientation IS a big deal because conservative christians are constantly obsessing about it, and always trying to control the sexual behavior of others."

The reason why most christians like to focus on "sexual orientation" so much is because they don't want to focus on their own hypocrisy and the sin that most of them live in.

Most christians would do well to mind their own business and go look in a mirror when they start preaching and passing judgment on others.

Anonymous Wrote: "Self hate is a moral of christianity and realizing that is the single most positive thing that ever happened in my life."

What a sad and pitiful statement. I'm sorry to hear that you have a very low opinion of yourself. I understand because it makes sense that you would need a crutch in order to feel good about yourself.

Even as a christian I still felt bad about myself, actually I felt worse about myself to tell you the truth. Then after I left christianity, and started believing in my own abilities to make things happen and accomplish goals, that is when I started having self esteem and I finally started loving myself.

Having faith in an invisible "Hear-Say" magical, imaginary friend did nothing for me. I found no comfort in Jesus, nor did he ever comfort me. Yes, I am truly happy outside of the christian faith. It feels really good to once and for all be free from the oppression called "Christianity".

It seems that christians feel the need to come onto an "Anti-Christian" website and preach to us. I can't speak for everyone else on here, but I doubt if most people who post on this site feels any need to go to a "Christian Website" to post Anti-Christian messages on it.

It is obvious that it is the christians who post on this site who have a problem. We are a threat to their belief system, and when they read posts about how so many of us escaped the bondage that most christians live in it scares them and it threatens their belief system.

I was once that way. As a christian I was miserable, and anytime I saw a happy atheist or non-believer it made me angry, because it made me have doubts about the christian faith being valid, and god couldn't seem to do anything to make me feel any different about it. I didn't want to abandon the faith, however it was not working for me, and I had several other non-believers point that fact out to me. I then realized that Jesus being a personal friend who was looking out for my best interest was a really bad joke. That is when I left the faith.

I want to thank every single christian who posts on here for constantly reminding me why I am so glad to no longer be a part of your faith. Thanks for reminding me how foolish and stupid I was as a christian.

The more biblical propaganda that christians quote, along with the judgmental opinions that christians make on here, the more it makes me realize just how glad I made the decision to leave christianity.

I don't think these same christians who post on here seem to realize they only validate mine and several others points of how faulty their faith really is. They are only shooting themselves in the foot by posting their bible scripture and other forms of christian manipulation on this site.

I very seriously doubt if anyone who is a "Non-believer" who posts on this site has ever been converted back to the faith because of some post that a christian left on here.

You would think that as almighty and powerful that the christian god is supposed to be that he wouldn't need lowly humans to do his work for him, and you would think that god would take notice and realize that his messengers are not getting the job done.

I see no power nor credibility with any christian who preaches on a continous basis on or off of this site. All I hear is a bunch of cheap talk with no power of action behind it. Jesus says this, and Jesus says that, BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! and then some of them come up with certain claims and stories that god personally encountered them like we are naive enough to believe their stories. Seems god can't deliver the message himself for some reason.

These christians have done me a favor and they don't even realize it. Thanks to all christians who post on here for reminding me why I left your cult.

I also want to tell all christians who post on this site to keep up the good work of exposing your hypocrisy and all of the biblical lies. You're all doing a great job! :)

I am not an ex-christian but I feel you a little all the same. I was told that my uncle needed to change his life and repent when I questioned elders of the church about homesexuality. Yes, I was told that the bible speaks of homosexuality as a pure abomination and it is unforgivable all the same. As a believer I could have let that be all that was said and I could have made the decision to turn my back on my uncle if he didn't change. There was only one problem. My uncle is one of my best friends and I would never consider pushing him away just because he has a different sexual prefferance than I. However, I never took the words of men as the word of God. I believe that God speaks through those who hold compassion deep within their souls. Freedom is not obtained by escaping the words of man. Freedom is not obtained by muttering words to an invisible nothing. There is only a painful mincing gate to the front of a church that is erected by man. I think that that the only thing that needs to be trash-canned is the opinion that just because someone attends church for an extensive period of time that makes them an expert on salvation. There will always only be one expert and that is the one who offered you and I that salvation by giving himself freely. You are not going to hell because you are gay. You are not going to hell because people that attend church said so. Being a christian and beleiving that christ was the ultimate sacrifice for our sin is the only way to pardon us for those sins. My uncle didn't choose to ignore his feelings and he is still gay living with a man. My uncle never gave up believing in Christ just because their were people who said he was damned. You had the faith that gave you an identity and you embraced following christ once in your life. Did you lose that faith because God turned his back on you? Or, did you lose that faith because some people turned their back on you? You chose to believe in Christ for a reason and that was because you believed. Don't let the words of hypocrites take you away from a relationship with the one who created you. How can we ever know ourselves if we do not strive to know our creator? I know that you believe. Don't let a few non-believers with a lot of time on their hands influence what you know is true. For all the atheists that are going to despise what I had to say, so be it. How can you base a religion on trying to disprove the god of another religion? If that's possible then why don't you guys try picking on Muhammed, Buddha and Satan for awhile. Hey, supposedly they are gods that you guys don't believe in either. Maybe you should slam the easter bunny and santa clause because you can't see them either. Much love guys!

I know, I know. Why is this miserable christian sending messages on this website of christian haters? Hmmm? For the record, judging every person that claims to be a christian is as accurate as a hypocritical christian judging you guys. I am not miserable nor do I hold any contempt for anyone of ANY religion. There seems to be a lot of contempt in the paragraphs that I see before me. I am not perfect, I am no better than someone who is gay and I have never claimed to be. I just don't understand why someone would wsste their time speaking and writing against a god that they don't believe in. Example: I don't believe in trolls so I will probably never write a book on them. If I were a non-believer then I would just be a non-believer, nothing more. I wouldn't debate christians on a god they believe in if I didn't believe. What would be the point? That would be like beating up the kid next door because he claimed he saw the tooth fairy take a tooth from under his pillow. Come on guys, if you don't belive then just move on and be happy. I would.

P.S.

P.J. your I.Q must be well over 100. Very profound statements from you. I'm sure if you would have been alive in the days of the caveman they would have carved your prolific words into rocks.

Bring it,

Please read the site disclaimer, and then read more than one or two of the hundreds of testimonials posted on the site before you start making asinine statements about what you think people should do based on your teenage experiences. M-kay?

I lost 30 years of my life in the FALSE CULT of Christianity, and I'm still a bit pissed about it. Fortunately, none of the other false gods captured my imagination, but because of my upbringing and the culture I belonged to, Christianity was able to enslave my mind for years.

People who escape a religious cult, generally do need to talk about it. If you don't understand that, then that's just too damned bad.

A message for Bring It:

Why do you come here and try to tell us how we should act while doing the very same thing you tell us we should not do? Get lost.

To bring it 777

I'm not far from being alive in the days of the caveman, but I certainly don't think I have said anything worthy of being carved in rocks. By the way, where is that rock that Moses supposedly brought down from the mountain? Seen it lately? But I can tell you this, I've lived long enough to see my very young daughter die a senseless death, and after having prayed with great fervor to a "being" that I finally realized wasn't there, or just wasn't listening that day, or just didn't give a crap, I finally came to the realization that we (humans) must take responsibility for our own lives and no one else.....not some preacher.....not some imaginary friend.....not some bible-thumping....concordance tottin'....so-called christian makes anything better for us than we can ourselves. Do you ever wonder mr/miss bring it 777 why we don't see any miracles nowadays? Do you ever wonder nowadays why we don't see the sky open and some wondrous vision doesn't appear to us and give us all that wisdom that our forefathers received hundreds of years....thousands of years ago to guide us and make us feel so secure and righteous in our little smug lives now? It's because it never happened to begin with. There may have been a Jesus at one time----in fact, I'm sure there probably was. I'm sure he was probably a very wise and loving man. But that's what he was, a man. He had groupies just like Jon Bon Jovi has groupies today.....maybe a little more fanatical than Jon's groupies, but just the same groupies. And you, my dear little 'bring it 777' are just one of those groupies. Grow up. It's obvious from your very 'prolific' words that you have not lived long enough or had enough life experiences to be telling anyone on this site what to believe in. Go play in your own backyard.

Bring it,

You obviously don't know who we are or what we have had to deal with. But rather than finding out for yourself by reading the testamonials, you built a straw-man image of us(athiests)so you wouldn't have to.

Please, take the webmaster's advice and read up on what you are talking about before you post anything else.

Also, try useing a paragraph from time to time. Reading so many fallacies in one huge chunk, without a break, makes me want to vomit.

For Bring It 777

Your statement ---"God speaks through those who hold compassion deep within their souls."

Most of the comments on this site are from people 'who hold compassion deep within their souls'.

Perhaps he's speaking through some of us right now!!! Do you hear? By the way, why must he speak through other people? Why doesn't he just speak to each of us himself? I know, I know, you're going to say he speaks to us through the Bible. Well, I'm one of those people who seem to comprehend better when spoken to directly.
Next time you decide you have to share one of your earth-shattering revelations with us--please think twice about it. Most of the drivel I hear from people like you is the same old song time after time.

YES!!! your going to HELL ifyou don't live right!!! get back to God fast.

"Bring it" chimes in and asks: Why is this miserable christian["Bring it"] sending messages on this website of christian haters?

Actually, that was a pretty legit' question up until you said "christian haters". Check this out, "Bring it"---for those of us who are former Christians, many of us still have friends, family members, and even spouses who are still members of the Christian Faith(cult). So obviously, we don't "hate" them as human beings, in fact, quite the opposite...... on the other hand, yes, many have come to "hate" the Christian belief, itself...the same way we'd "hate it" if they were addicted to the false "high" of smack. 'Follow?

"Bring it"...For the record, judging every person [who] claims to be a christian is as accurate as a hypocritical christian judging you guys.

For the record, every Christian "claims to be a Christian"; there is no other way to be a "Christian". Additionally, the over-riding point isn't to "judge" people; the point is to show that people, are people, are people, are people.... and that no one is being "guided" by an invisible spook.

"Bring it"...I am not miserable nor do I hold any contempt for anyone of ANY religion.

That's good...but how about people of non-religion? Just checkin'.

"Bring it"...There seems to be a lot of contempt in the paragraphs that I see before me.

And rightfully so.

"Bring it"...I am not perfect, I am no better than someone who is gay and I have never claimed to be.

Again, you miss the point---it's not about "perfect". No one is "perfect", regardless of where they put their penis, or what Deity they subscribe to. However, many people of religious faith use their holy books to justify their own prejudice. As if the Creator of the Universe would actually care if people eat shellfish, or have foreskin on their genitals. Absurd. That's right, we're saying the notion is bloody ABSURD. We're saying those "Laws" were created by the primitive, uneducated, sand-dwelling people of ancient history....NOT a "God".

"Bring it"...I just don't understand why someone would [waste] their time speaking and writing against a god that they don't believe in. Example: I don't believe in trolls so I will probably never write a book on them. If I were a non-believer then I would just be a non-believer, nothing more.

I agree, you don't understand. Okay, let me attempt to help you: First, we are not addressing "God"; we are addressing those who believe in "God", particularly the Christian biblegod. Secondly, Atheism, or the non-belief in "God"/gods, would be totally unnecessary if it were not for Theists INSISTING that, a) their particular god exists, and b) that must accept their belief, lest we be roasted in their religion's respective "hell", for eternity.

Now, assuming you comprehend that much, if people were INSISTING that "trolls" existed, and likewise, that we MUST adopt this belief, lest there be the same "consequences"?..then we'd likely have cause to create a word for the NON-belief in "trolls", as well. 'Follow?

"Bring it"...I wouldn't debate christians on a god they believe in if I didn't believe.

Did you happen to notice an open invitation to christians to come inside this blog? I didn't. It seems EX-christian would be self-explanatory, but apparently not.

"Bring it"...Come on guys, if you don't [believe] then just move on and be happy. I would.

The day theists stop pushing their theology on me--mind you, while not having one drop of evidence to support said theology--is the day I'll "move on". BTW, did you "bring" any evidence, "Bring it"?

PS: Anonymous--'don't know if that was tongue in cheek, but the contraction for "you are" is you're.

Anonymous says:"YES!!! your going to HELL ifyou don't live right!!! get back to God fast."

My little anony mouse--first of all there is nothing to 'get back to'.

I would just bet that your narrow-minded version of god would not approve of your scare tactics either if he were there to 'get back to'.

I bet you're one of those little biddies that likes to scare little kids with the 'boogie man' when they misbehave.

I can just see you....sitting there in your little pew....with your little self-righteous mouth screwed up in a little smug, tight-lipped smirk.

Pray tell, how many Hail Marys must I say; how many times should I say the rosary; how many times must I prostrate myself on my face in front of the crucifix before I receive your forgiveness?

If there is such a place as hell, when you get there, I'll be the one holding the pitchfork with you on the other end of it.

Bring It: "... You chose to believe in Christ for a reason and that was because you believed. ..."

Yup. You believe because you believe because you believe because you believe, ad infinitum.

ROTFLMAO! I'm cracking up over this description of christinsanity in a nutshell, but somehow I suspect that Bring It might not be intelligent enough to understand why it's so laughable.

Hey Anonymous

Christians get if the face of gays and others, not the other way around. My dad is a major Homophobe, and I am a strong supporter of Gay rights. He also used to condemn for lusting after girls when I was a teenager, and now for a being a vegetarian.

Fuck off anonyomous!

Bring It Wrote: "Did you lose that faith because God turned his back on you?"

It is God who turned his back on me. I tested scripture to find god's will, and I followed scripture and guess what? It didn't work.

Me leaving christianity was just a matter of applying this one rule, "What works in the real world VS What the bible says".

It had nothing to do with other christians. You guys only enforce my disbelief about christianity. You can't seem to realize that you are just validating my claims even more. I now see you christian cultists as being weak and stupid if you want to know the blunt and honest truth. You remind me of what I use to be, and I don't like it, and I want nothing to do with it.

I don't know why christians like you can't seem to get that through your narrow minded head. Of course, I realize that christianity blinds people, because it had me blind for many years. I wasted some of the best years of my life chasing after bible god.

Do yourself a favor and stay out of other people's business. I believe that people have a right to live anyway they want to as long as it is not illegal or it does not bring harm to someone else.

I would love to see the day where christians end up in jail for harassing others with their faith.

This country is for every single person no matter what their beliefs are or their sexual preference. It is none of anyone elses business if someone is gay or not. Keep your holier than thou values to yourself and leave other people alone.

You also might want to think about doing something more productive with your life like getting a job, instead of trying to be Moses. Stop shoving your crap down other people's throats. You christians are a one big joke, and I do not take anything you say serious. If I were god I would not be very happy with the people who represent me, because all of you christians are making yourselves look immature, and foolish.

Get a life, and grow up! *rolls eyes*

If there is a God, an IF that God is so Capricious to create us with Desires and then to condemn us for following them, then that is a God that I can neither worship nor respect. I do not believe for an instant that ANY intelligent being would torture creatures by giving them intense desire and denying them resolution. That isnt a being that I could love that is for certain. Besides in the Bible there are only 2 admonishments of gays and thousands to straights.

But then again, I dont accept the Bible as fact. I dont believe that the sun stood still for 3 days unnoticed by anyone but the Israelites. (Mayans, Incas, Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese and Japanese were meticulous record keeping astronomers and NONE of them bear record of that. I dont believe in immaculate conception, but I CAN see me saying "Honey, Im pregnant, but I am still a virgin, because he was a GOD!" And then hoping that my man is stupid enough to believe that bs. I do not believe that ANY human could survive days in the belly of a fish, whale or other sea creature. My understanding of anatomy tells me that he would be digested and would suffocate, as stomach acid is NOT breathable air. Cute stories, but they TOTALLY disprove the bible.

Oh, and the earth only being 6000 years old? HELLO? Ever hear of Anthropology?????? WAKE UP, the Bible is NOT a perfect book. It does have significant value with much intelligence and wisdom, but it is FLAWED in many many areas that have been DISPROVEN by science and common sense.

Anonymous Chicken Shit Christian Said: "get back to God fast."

Hey Anonymous, go stick your head up God/Jesus' ass.

Jesus was gay also. He hung out with 12 men.

Jesus also believed in incest.

Due to the fact that Jesus who is also "God The Father" impregnated Mary by raping her, he had sex with his own mother so he could be born.

So therefore, Jesus was gay and he was a rapist who believe in having sex with his mother.

Shame on you christians for worshiping a sick and twisted pervert like that.

Ok, I'll confess that I have sex with my mother. That's why I enjoy being a christian because I want to follow Jesus' example by having sex with my mother like Jesus had sex with his mother.

I also have sex with the anonymous christian brother who has posted on here also. He is my "Butt Brother In Christ".

Hi guys! Sorry it took so long for me to respond but unfortunately I felt I had to read some of your fine comments. You guys seem to have a lot of hate for people who are so content with their lives. First of all, I guess I have learned a few things from reading these comments over the last few minutes. #1 Webmaster is the only human being that has ever experienced a loss of time he can't get back. I'm sure there isn't anyone else in the free world that has to harbor the pain that you deal with on a daily basis. STEP OFF ME!

#2 Jim Earl? Did you by chance play a part in the movie deliverance? Very good counter-attack by you my friend. Your life must be complex because you sure have a lot to say

#3 You have no idea about my life experiences P.J.. You made some very good points and there are some things that you said that I agree with but it seems to me that it is just as hard to believe that we came from a rock as it is to believe that we came from god. The rock doesn't speak either. By the way, I don't want to play in my back yard that's why I came to yours.

#4 This one is for stronger now. I hate paragraphs but because I care I seperated each statement just for you. If it makes you sick to read more than a few words run together then that would explain why you are an atheist. You never got through the first chapter of genesis because you had to get up to take your flintstone vitamin. Awwww...

#5 Boomslang seems to to be the most intelligent of the crowd. I understand much of what you are saying and yes I will admit that I have a lot to learn about the belief system of others. I will admit that from time to time I am utterly confused by atheists. There are those that don't believe and never wish to speak about it. Then there are those who seem to hold a well of contempt for believers and search for every opportunity to display their anger. If a man belives in nothing then why try to fight against it? I would like to hear more of your thoughts on this boomslang. However, you don't have to quote me repeatedly to establish your point. I know what I'm speaking when I speak it. I would like to hear your thoughts.

#6 Somehow I get the feeling if P.J. gets his hands on a pitchfork then it will be used for something more self gratifying than homicide. Huh P.J.?

#7 Thackerie finds it amusing to offer a little piece of his personal history by voluntarily giving us the first initial of all of his ex-wives. ROTFLMAO. Did the preacher in church tell you that it was wrong to commit adultery 8 times? That's why you lost the faith huh? Maybe you should become a mormon and purchase a duplex in Salt Lake City for the next to come.

#8 First of all my dear I have had a job for a very long time. Also, if I were moses then I would start by parting through that junk that you call a response so that I could get to the other side where the truth resides. I can tell that a lot of you people plaguerized your essays in school. If you are going to let your responses consist merely of quotes from other people with opinions then why respond at all?

#9 The last comment from the anonymous guy (who claims that I slept with his mom and that is where he came from) seems very angry. I do not know your mother nor have I ever slept with one of your brothers who you claim is a so called "butt buddy in christ." Look, I told you that if you didn't stop following me onto these websites and sending me pictures of you in the bath tub as a child that I would report you. This is your last warning!

Well, well, well. I think Bring It is finally starting to show his true 'Christian' colors.

It's so good to see you growing in your 'Christian Experience'.

Oh, and, Boomslang, I'm jealous that Bring It thinks you're more intelligent than anyone else here. I'll really cry myself to sleep tonight over that one.

Bring it,

Please re-read my post to you.

If you continue to play the part of a troll, all your posts will be deleted.

To everyone. Please don't feed the troll.
Thanks.

LOL...Hey Stronger Now....I'll take some of the popcorn I know you're popping right now....

Oops, just saw your post wm...ok, no popcorn OR fireworks I guess...darn

PJ: Oh, and, Boomslang, I'm jealous that Bring It thinks you're more intelligent than anyone else here. I'll really cry myself to sleep tonight over that one.

Don't be "jealous", PJ; I'm certainly far from the most intelligent on this board. On the other hand, I'm quite confident that I know what I don't believe, and I can defend that position with a fair amount of ease and certitude.

Welp, I'll refrain from "feeding the troll", even though I had some thoughts on "Bring it's" projection/mischaracterization that Atheists..um, "believe in nothing". Lol! Good grief!....'heard of a false dichotomy?

Sorry redtail, no popcorn this time. Would you care for a vitamin?

Bring It Said: "You guys seem to have a lot of hate for people who are so content with their lives."

Seems to me you are the angry one since you choose to post your "Immature and childish" comments on here. Oh, and btw for someone who is a christian you sure don't display the love of your Jesus. Instead you display nothing more than immature, foolish behavior. Does hiding behind a computer and hurling insults at others make you feel brave? Awwww......Did mommy and daddy not give you enough attention when you were growing up?

Bring It On, you are nothing more than a hypocrite, and you have done nothing but made yourself look foolish on here. You use Christianity as a weapon to attack and insult others. You have made a complete fool out of yourself. You are nothing more than a little immature juvenile. Before you claim that you are an adult, just remember that age has nothing to do with maturity.

Even though I am not a christain, I do know christians who would disapprove of your immature behavior. They would give you a solid rebuke, and you would be compared to a pharisee and a pagan.

Anyone who claims that they are so content with their own life would not be over here posting the kind of immature garbage that you have been posting. You expect for us to believe that you are so happy and content with life when it is "YOU" who decided to come onto this site and sticking your nose where it does not belong.

As far as your job is concerned, how long have you been working at McDonalds now Bring It On? Are they getting ready to promote you to doing fries yet?

Bring It On Wrote: "if I were moses then I would start by parting through that junk that you call a response so that I could get to the other side where the truth resides."

Your "So Called Truth" is nothing more than your "Opinion". All of your responses have been nothing more than pure trash. I feel sorry for someone like you Bring It On, who has nothing else better to do than sit around on their pathetic little butt surfing the interent and, talking down to others who do not subscribe to your belief system.

You remind me of a Nazi with the hatred that you spread in regards to intolerance. You are the one who is spreading hatred by making your attacks against others on here. You are the one who started trouble on this site. So don't come on here whining about how we have so much hatred towards someone like you.

Thanks once again for showing us the true behavior of most christians. You give your precious Jesus no credibility.

Once again, grow up.

Of course I can understand why people like "Bring It On" come onto a site like this talking trash.

I would be angry too if I was still a christian considering that they are losing the battle against reality, and Jesus keeps on failing to show his face. All christians know how to do is quote some out of date ancient text, and insult others. That is how weak their case is against people who do not subscribe to their beliefs. Christians are madder than hell, and it shows. Thanks "Bring It 777" for showing all of us your true behavior, and proving our point. You are probably the dumbest SOB that has ever came onto this site.

Notice the behavior of "Bring It 777". He demonstrates the same typical patterned behavior that most christians display when they get frustrated because nobody will listen to what they have to say. Too bad Jesus won't help him prove his case.

Here is the way the typical christian operates:

1) Try to share the love of Christ by sharing the gospel. Tell them how much Jesus loves them, and why they need to accept him.

2) If people are still not willing to listen, then start attacking them and passing judgment on them by making threats of hell and damnation against them.

So,when the typical christian fails to prove their point and they can't seem to win souls for Christ, the next thing they do is start attacking others and talking down to them by spitting out the typical venom and hatred that most christians preach.

Christians are so predictable.

Now let's refer back to "Bring It 777's" original post on here. Notice the pattern.

He came on here with his little "I'm a nice guy" act. Then a few posts later he starts showing his true colors by insulting anyone who does not subscribe to his beliefs, which proves that "Bring It 777" can no longer debate effectively on here, so out of frustration he starts with his rude and crude behavior. He has already lost the argument, and he no longer has a winnable case against us.

As for a question from his original post:

BRING IT 777 SAID:
"I wouldn't debate christians on a god they believe in if I didn't believe. What would be the point?"

And the point of you coming onto this site causing trouble is?????

This site is for "Ex-Christians" and if we choose to vent our frustrations, that is our right. This site was created for people like us, not people like you.

As far as the point of us debating christians. People like myself are sick and tired of christians sticking their noses in all forms of government. They continue to try and oppress others who do not subscribe to their beliefs. People like myself have decided to stand up against "Christian Bullies" who want to try to conform this whole entire country over to a "Christian Dictatorship". Christians do not believe in true freedom.

True freedom is when all people are treated equally and not judged or look down on by someone else because of a stupid out of date religious belief.

Sorry Webmaster. I didn't read your post before I posted my reply.

I have nothing more to say to "Bring It", nor do I have any interest in reading what else he has to say.

I will now starve the troll.

Will the real Christian please stand up..... - Victor King

" Call yourself a Christian! "...... " What kind of Christian are you? "....." Hypocrite "….” He is not a good Christian “....." She is so proud but she goes to church "......" I cant believe he is a Christian "....." Such a disgrace to Christianity "....." Lousy Christian "......." He is so rude but he goes to church "...... " Worldly Christian "......" I was so shock to find out she is a Christian! "..... " Sometimes Christians can be the worst "....." I had a bad experience with that Christian "...." He is not fit to be a Christian "...."What kind of a Christian leader is he? "....." He is a Christian but he smokes "....” .She gossips about people and she goes to church ".... "I'm so ashamed to call him a Christian"....." He is a Christian but speaks a lot of vulgar words "….." They are not good Christians "..…” What kind of testimony does he carry as a Christian “…..” She is a Christian who does not go to church “…..” Anti-Nomians “…..” She is not worthy to be a Christian “…..” So shameful, they are from a Christian family “…. ” She wears so much of make-up just to go to church“……………" Christian gays ".....

Sounds familiar???



Oh, I could go on and on but these are the words that were used to on Christians for many years till today. Why is there such a heavy burden for Christians? You rarely or would have never heard these words on people from other religions, if they do or say something Wrong, he / she as an individual would be criticized but not their religion, most of the time. But when a Christian does or say something wrong, they and their religion are being criticized and condemned. Is there a very high expectation on Christians? Is Christianity that hard?

Jesus said in Matthew 11:28
” Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy-laden and overburdened, and I will cause you to rest……. [I will ease and relieve and refresh your souls.] “

Many of us think that 'Christians' are good and moral ones. We think that we have to be good in thoughts, deeds and words all the time. This could be our idea or other people’s perspective of Christianity - JESUS IS GOOD so we have to be good. We have to be a good example's of JESUS; we are the ambassadors of CHRIST. We Christians have to be loving, kind, patient, generous, respectful, obedient, responsible, soft spoken, gentle, joyful, well mannered, faithful and many other good and moral deeds all the time. Many Christians suffers from great condemnation within because they think they have to be good and moral most of the time to show that they are good Christians.

They think that Christianity depends on their moral deeds and when they can't come up to that standard or they fail to do so, they condemn themselves and moreover people condemn them and the accuser, Satan also condemns them. How not to loose?! Usually most of them who feel condemned and think that they cannot come up to the standard of this "Christian Religion ", in due they leave church or back slide.

Nothing wrong with being good or moral. I will show in a while's time that you don't have TRY to be good but you have No choice but you would Want to be good but this time not in your goodness but Through HIS goodness with the help of the Holy Spirit. I'm sure the Holy Spirit does a Better work.……Think about it.

So who are christians???

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me [essentially and perfectly morally] good? There is no one essentially and perfectly morally good--Except God alone" - Mark 10:18

Christians are not good ones, moral ones or perfect ones......Christians simply means Anointed Ones.

( CHRIST — ORIGIN Greek Khristos ‘Anointed one’ - )

" True Christians are Anointed ones; their Names expresses this: they are Anointed with GRACE, with gifts and spiritual privileges, BY the Holy Spirit of Grace" (Henry's Concise Commentary on the Bible)

"It is God Who confirms and makes us steadfast and establishes us in joint fellowship with you in Christ, and HE has consecrated and Anointed us, enduing us with the gifts of the Holy Spirit" - 2 Corinthians 1:21.

We are Anointed to be moral and good in thoughts, words and deeds. You know what I’m talking about, there was time when you use to have a certain bad habit (being rude, selfish, proud, vulgar, impatient, hot tempered, gossiping, lustful, ignorant, inconsiderate, lazy etc....) and now "suddenly" or "out of nowhere" you don’t have it anymore or it is less active in your life.

Most of the time we don't how to explain or we never expected to be the person that we are now. It is the Holy Spirit that changed us. The bible says that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness.... - Galatians 5:22 (NIV). Have you noticed it says ' the Fruit of The Spirit..... ' It does not say the fruit of your spirit or the fruit of the evil spirit. It is the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is in you that gives you the qualities or the abilities to be good, do good and talk good. JESUS Himself was Anointed by GOD, " How God Anointed and Consecrated Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit with strength, ability and power; how He went about Doing good...."-Acts 10:38. How much more us. The Holy Spirit is the One who does the good work through us and I’m sure HE will do a better job, amen.

Relationship takes time

Many of us venture to say that Christianity is not a religion but a relationship. Did you know that a relationship takes time? GOD wants to love, fellowship, help and transform us unto HIS image in our Christian walk. Walking is a journey and journey takes time. We think that once we become a Christian, we immediately have to leave behind our bad habits, be holy, stay away from worldly people, worldly songs, movies, books and not dress up like the world. We even quote scriptures like "we are in this world but not of the world" and we are expected to change as soon as possible.

Now as a Christian we have to the read the bible, pray for many hours, go to church, lift up our hands, say "hallelujah" and start tithing. We also think that since we are "good, moral and faithful" people of God, we need to serve GOD. Once again, nothing wrong with all of these but if you have to do it or if you are obligated because this is your perception of being a Christian then its nothing more than religion and behavior modification. GOD does not want that, HE wants relationship and life transformation. That’s why HE gave the Holy Spirit to help us live our lives. Whatever happened to this verse??…" It is no longer I who live but it's Christ (Anointed) who Lives through me”. I love what Jesus said in John 16:7, " I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable (good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, Strengthener, Standby) will not come to you into close fellowship with you; but if I go away, I will send Him to you to be in close fellowship with you - John 16:7.

JESUS wants to have a close fellowship with us. When we know that we respond back not being obligated but with love. Now, we don't Need (obligated) to read the bible but we Want to. We will start doing things that we WANT to not need to. Other religion will Need to do their prayers, devotions and many other stuffs for their gods but we don't need to do it. We would Want to. We cant help it. We are in love with our God who lives inside us. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship and love.

" For without Me you can do Nothing" - John 15:5 (NKJV)

Only JESUS can make you to be the person that HE wants you to be. You can't do it by yourself. "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do Nothing. - John 15:5 (NKJV) Don't be baffled or disappointed when a Christian does or say something wrong. They are just Anointed Ones. Christians have the Anointing to be better people. If we say that being 'in this world and not of the world means to be good and moral then I know alot of people of other religions who are good and moral or even better behaved than Christians. So are we trying to say that they are also in the world but not of the world?

The Only thing that we Christians have that makes us 'not of the world' is the Anointing of the Holy Spirit. That’s the only explanation that can't be argued. Anything else then this, could be compared to people of other religions. We have the Anointing of God’s Spirit. I have heard people saying that you have to be very nice, friendly and loving so people will know that you are a Christian. So does Christianity depend on our goodness? People are attracted to Christians not because of their goodness but because of the favor of GOD and HIS goodness that is in them. For some reason people like Christians. Its a supernatural attraction. They are attracted by God's supernatural Favor or Grace.

Anointed to be Capable....

The bible is not cookbook. If you don't follow the recipe according to the cookbook then the food would not be good likewise many of us think that if we don't follow whatever the bible says then we are not good Christians. The bible is not meant to be followed. If we just need a book to tell us what to do and what not to do then JESUS does not have to come and die for us. We could have just followed the Torah or the law old testament, which no one could keep up to it.

Someone might argue by saying that there are many scriptures in the Gospel's that tells us to follow like ' Love our enemies and to do good to those who hate you - Luke 6:27, Let not your heart be troubled... - Matthew 6:34, Casting your cares upon HIM.... - 1 Peter 5:7, In the world you have tribulation, trials, distress and frustration; but be of Good cheer... - John 16:33, Let all bitterness and wrath (passion, rage, bad temper) and resentment (anger, animosity) and quarreling (brawling, clamor, contention) and slander (evil-speaking, abusive or blasphemous language) be banished from you, with all malice (spite, ill will, or baseness of any kind). And become useful, helpful and kind to one another, tenderhearted (compassionate, understanding, loving-hearted), forgiving one another [readily and freely], as God in Christ forgave you - Ephesians 4:31-32 and many other verses that tells us to follow or even when we are in church our Pastor tells us things to do or to follow.

Thank GOD for all these verses but it is not meant for us to follow. We need to understand that the bible is not a book of rules and regulations to follow (law) but it is there for us to know who we are in Christ, what we have in Christ and what Christ can do through us. When you read verses like ‘ Let not your heart be troubled, Casting your cares to the Lord and other verses from the Gospels, it simply means the You are Capable of doing it. You are capable of forgiving, casting your cares, not letting your heart be troubled, not worrying, praying in tongues and many other things that the bible tells us to do. We are capable of doing it because we are Anointed. The Holy Spirit Helps us to do it. The next time if Pastor tells you to believe, to confess, to rest, to pray, to forgive or any other things. GOD is trying to tell through Pastor that you are capable of doing it because his Spirit is you and HE will make you to do it.

You don't have to follow it (obligated) because the Holy Spirit will help you and teach you in all things, “ But the Comforter ( Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will Teach you ALL things. And He will CAUSE you to Recall ( will Remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you. - John 14:26.

You don’t have to stress yourself by thinking how to follow what the bible says or what our Pastor says. You are capable of doing it because the Holy Spirit is inside you. Let's say, a billionaire marries a daughter of beggar, she don't have to try to become rich. She is capable and she has no choice but to become rich. She will start to walk, talk and dress like a rich person. Though it takes time, she will be a different person. As time goes on, she is no more thinking as a daughter of a beggar but as a wife of a billionaire How much more when the Holy Spirit who lives in you. As time goes on, we start to think, talk and act like Jesus.

We are capable of becoming healthy, wealthy, moral and many other things that bible says that we can be. You don’t have to try to be good, you have no choice but to become good because the Good Shepherd lives inside you and you will start doing good and moral things out of HIS goodness that HE has placed and stored in your heart. “The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart “- Luke 6:45


"And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby) I will not leave you as orphans [comfortless, desolate, bereaved, helpless] " - John 14:18

Relax and let Christ live through you, amen

Oh, look...somebody puked. Can we get a mop on isle 5?