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Sent in by Joey Hackl

Below is an edited version of an email I sent to a friend briefly explaining my de-conversion from Christianity, without going into too much detail. I'm hoping this might help people gain a better understanding, as some people suddenly seem to think we are monsters now. Here it is:


[personal greeting]

I won't speak too much for [my wife], cause she has her own reasons for not believing, but I'll briefly explain how I came to a place of no longer believing in god or the bible. I won't go into great detail, or this email will turn into a 1500 page book, and I'm not writing this to convince you of anything, just to explain what’s up with us. It was a process that took many years. I did not wake up one day and say, "That's it, I don't believe anymore." I had been a pretty faithful Christian for most of my life. When I was 14, my family went to a conference and they came back telling about how they felt the presence of god and how the spirit touched them personally. This was the first time I ever heard talk like this. They were so sincere and were so excited about their experience. Their faith was fully restored and recharged by it. The following night I made a prayer to be personally touched by god in an undeniable way, to feel his presence in such a way that I know it could only be him. It didn't happen, but I was confident that eventually I was going to experience him. I continued to pray that for years and years, never experiencing that presence that others seem to easily get. Despite that, I remained faithful and hopeful, and convinced myself that it was going to be in god's time, not mine, that I'll experience him.

My whole life, from the early years of being a Christian on, I had difficult questions about things in the bible and apparent loopholes and contradictions in the bible. In the early days, I would ask some of these questions to people and they'd quickly discourage me from "wasting [my] time" on those questions, ‘cause the devil tries to use them to distract from Jesus. Well, I was obedient and I pushed those thoughts to the back of my mind and suppressed them whenever they surfaced. When I was a teen, I learned that some of these questions were addressed by various Christian authors. I looked into them and accepted their answers, but inside I wasn't truly convinced, and I was ashamed to use them whenever debating with atheists. I continued to suppress those questions and rely on the happy parts of the bible and personal experience as my main argument and reason for being a Christian. "Well, I don't know all the facts, but I can tell you I know in my heart that he is real.." I really had myself convinced. I deliberately looked for things in my life to attach a "god came through for me" story to it. I was a moderately rebellious teen with a low self-esteem and I grew out of it. It was perfect material to use so that I, too, can have a testimony. Whenever in debate, I would always be backed into the "personal experience" corner as my last resort. The truth was, I had no personal experience with god, and I was still down on my knees, in tears, begging and longing for "his presence," and I started to feel like he was denying me. I started to feel like a child, who wanted nothing more than to just be in his dad's arms, but the dad wanted nothing to do with me. Always at the office, or away.. who only expressed his love through providing for me.

About two or three years ago, I started too notice strong differences between my views and many Christian views on such things as foreign policy and the US war in Iraq. Even some of the people I most respected viewed things, the exact opposite as I viewed them and they backed their views with the bible, as did I my views. This sparked smoothing in me. Basically, it sparked a strong desire, not to be spoon fed anymore, but to revitalize my faith by seeking out answers in the bible on my own. So I took to reading. I took to asking the hard questions and seeking out the answers on my own. I attempted to reconcile all the seemingly nonsensical things, the atrocious things, and the contradictions with the teachings of love and my personal beliefs. I learned more than I ever have before, and my parents would be proud of how much bible reading I did.

During all that we found [our church], a beautiful and loving group of people and I quickly got involved. Somehow [the pastor] seems to have seen something in me and thought it was anointing and tried to get me involved in a lot of projects. I took this as my opportunity to finally get right and hopefully experience god. Since I was doing a lot of reading, when he asked me about writing for Le Journal, I thought what a great idea. The thing is, everything I wrote, was incomplete and I felt like I had to put a positive spin on it somehow in order for it to be acceptable. I felt like if I wrote my true sentiments to completion, I would be sewing seeds of doubt in the church. So, I started off asking interesting questions and then quickly forming a moral based answer to them. It got to the point where I was having so many doubts that I couldn't write an article and put that spin on it anymore. It felt dishonest to do. So I tried... I wrote the beginning of a bunch of articles, but could never finish them. That is why you stopped receiving articles from me. Eventually I decided to stop, but I wasn't willing to share why at that point.

Well, not too long after that I came to a point where I realized I no longer believed the bible to be true. I had to stare my "unbelief" in the face and recognize it. I asked myself why I believe and the answer became clear that I just don't. Once I was aware of that I became scared, because my whole life revolved around Christians and the church. Family, friends, everything and everyone close. Though my wife was with me for the whole journey, I had to come clean to her and let her know that I simply do not believe in god. I was afraid of the consequences of sharing that. Would she leave me? Would that news just destroy her and make her mourn for my death in hell? What about the baby? Well, I shared with her, and she was surprised, but surprisingly took it very well. She asked me to explain what was it that made me stop believing, so I did. A little while later, she told me that she doesn't believe anymore either.

So we ended up in this position were we knew this information would hurt our families and friends, but we could not continue pretending. We shared the news with our parents and family. It was very hard. Then we shared with some friends, and then the pastor and his wife.

[personal closing]
 
Anonymous religionkills said...
Admitting to yourself, and your family and friends these things took balls dude. Kudos to you! it takes courage to face one's fears. it took me some years to finally get the indoctrinization that I grew up with out of my system too. Even now, though, it has a bit of influence still...just not in the getting-on-our knees-and-groveling-to-an-invisible- god sort of way. MY hubby and I use what we know and empower ourselves against the lies and bullshit of any religion and use the stories and legends to find the REAL facts about our world and the multiverse we live in.


Anonymous Micah Cowan said...
"I looked into them and accepted their answers, but inside I wasn't truly convinced, and I was ashamed to use them whenever debating with atheists."

That was the major clue to me as well, that something was very wrong.


Anonymous Sarge said...
Great post, at some point you have to shake your head and stop selling yourself a load of shit and calling it fudge. And blaming yourself for it not tasting good.

For a period of six months in my teen years, I tried, really tried to become a believer. I couldn't even fool myself. What a relief to give it up.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm wondering if you saw Anderson Cooper's CNN program AC360 on December 20, 2006? He had a segment on a man named Philip McCord. This man had been legally blind for many many years. He had strong cataracts on both eyes. He finally had surgery on both eyes. One eye was operated on successfully, but the other wasn't. A well-respected specialist told McCord he would have to have a cornea transplant and McCord was very very nervous about this coming surgery. He was passing a church at a Catholic college where he worked and the sound of organ music drew him into the church. He decided to pray to Mother Guerin, the founder of the college who had died in the 1800's. He prayed for the woman to ask God to give him the strength to face the operation. The next morning he felt much better and realized some swelling around his eye had gone down. The next time McCord saw the specialist, the doctor told him that his cornea had healed itself and he wouldn't need an operation. Jason Carroll, the reporter on this story, interviewed the specialist who had been shocked at what had happened. As a man of science, he couldn't explain it. McCord, who called himself a natural skeptic, couldn't explain it either. Do you think it's possible that this was a true miracle? The story was done quite seriously.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I agree, you are not monsters, and I am pleased that you are not trying to convince anyone, anything.
We should question and not blindly accept evrything that we are told. We should research and develop or own opinions.
I am currently researching similar topics myself. I consider myself Christian and have found nothing to steer me away from my beliefs. I have difficulty with anyone (preacher, teacher, priest etc..) who claims that their's is the only truth, the only way. I believe that our's is a God of variety and we all come to him in our own way. I don't think it matters where(or if) we attend a church, how many bible verses we can quote(if any). I believ that we all need to look for the truth and when we find it apply it to our lives. I am still searching ...you seem to have found an answer...for now...
God Bless You


Anonymous paul said...
Joey Hackl is the representative of millions of Christians who despearately want a subjective experience. When they realize it does not happen they leave Christianity. I blame this on contemporary preachers who put emphasis on emotions and touchy feelings rather than on the Word of God. We shall ask ourselves, 'does the Bible ever promise that you will be personally touched by God in a conversion process'. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus promise such emotional or psychological feelings. Notice his other words-
I started to feel like a child, who wanted nothing more than to just be in his dad's arms, but the dad wanted nothing to do with me. Always at the office.
Joef you are just a neglected kid. You haven't left Christianity due to rational reasons but for bruised expectations. That is true for most of the ex-Christians in this world. Now you said you found loopholes in the Bible. Could you please post some of them for us to read here? Any other contradictions or discrepancies you found, please let me know. On the whole, you are a neglected kid, not an enlighted atheist.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Paul,

If you don't start using paragraph breaks, all your posts will be deleted.

I asked once. That's all you get.


Anonymous Jeff said...
Paul wrote: " Now you said you found loopholes in the Bible. Could you please post some of them for us to read here? Any other contradictions or discrepancies you found, please let me know."

By his responce above, his posts should be removed, this is proof that he has not read one thing opposing his beliefs on this website, he's been on here for weeks now.

A loop-hole Paul is, that the Bible was not written by a God, it was written by people.

You're a jerk Paul!


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Jeff,

Paul is a stellar example of the closed-minded ignorance that fundamentalist Christianity typically breeds. Posts from people like him, perhaps more than anything else, illustrates and demonstrates why those of us possessing a probing mind eventually left Christianity.

Paul and his kind serve the purpose of this site quite well.

That's why I tolerate his posts.


Anonymous Rick said...
Here is the full story regarding Philip McCord.

IMO, this is not a miracle. Note that *AFTER* the miracle supposedly cured him he "had a short procedure to remove residual scar tissue and his vision returned."

Here is the full article...

BY ELIZABETH HOLMES
eholmes@nwitimes.com
219.462.5151

Phil McCord is a hands-on kind of guy.

"If I can touch it, I can understand it," said the 59-year-old former director of engineering at Porter hospital.

So imagine how perplexed McCord has been for the past several years, as he grappled with something not only intangible but also mystifying: a miracle.

The inexplicable healing of McCord's right eye in 2000 was deemed a miracle by the Archdiocese of Indianapolis in 2003 and a committee of medical experts and theologians in 2005. They attributed the act to Blessed Mother Theodore Guerin, the founder of the Sisters of Providence in Saint Mary-of-the-Woods, Ind., where McCord now works.

McCord's eyesight is the second of two miracles needed for Mother Theodore's canonization, effectively clearing her path to sainthood. The only step that remains is Pope Benedict XVI's stamp of approval, which is expected in April.

The developments in the nearly century-long process has elated the Sisters of Providence and left McCord stupefied.

"All I know is the sequences of events that took place and the results," he said, "so I'll let others come to an explanation of it."

McCord, who has described himself as "blind as a bat," wore glasses since the age of 6. His vision grew increasingly worse with age and, in the late 1990s, he developed cataracts in both eyes.

In September of 2000, he had successful surgery on his left eye. A month later, however, he experienced severe complications when the same procedure was done on his right eye.

With extreme swelling and a droopy eyelid, McCord was unable to see from his right eye. His ophthalmologist advised him to consult a specialist in Indianapolis, who said McCord needed a cornea transplant. The diagnosis, with its long recovery time and questionable success rate, frightened McCord.

During a stroll across the grounds in late 2000, McCord wandered into the congregation's chapel. He went not to pray, but to have a conversation with God about his condition.

"As a little tangent, I went on to Mother Theodore," he said. "I just wanted to cover all the bases."

Two weeks later, he returned to his eye specialist feeling optimistic. Much to both the doctor's and McCord's surprise, the astounded doctor told McCord he no longer needed the surgery. An elated McCord returned Terre Haute, where he lives, had a short procedure to remove residual scar tissue and his vision returned.

McCord mentioned his recovery to one of the Sisters of Providence who had a similar eye condition.

"That's a miracle," she said.

"Yes it is," McCord replied -- later adding, "not having the slightest idea of what the implications were."

Although McCord didn't take it seriously, the sisters did. Sister Ann Margaret O'Hara and other nuns -- nearly a century into the canonization process for Mother Theodore -- began the miracle certification process, which required lengthy depositions from McCord's doctors and family members, as well as examinations with doctors unfamiliar to McCord's case.

Mother Theodore's postulator, or the person representing the case to Vatican officials, then took the case to physicians in Rome. After their approval, a panel of theologians conducted their own investigation.

On Feb. 21, the Ordinary Congregation of the Cardinals in Rome declared the act was attributable to Mother Theodore's intercession and therefore qualified as a miracle.

The Sisters of Providence were overjoyed. McCord, however, has wrestled with the "miracle" moniker for years.

"I wasn't cured of cancer or something that major," he said. "There have been so many other things that have happened that are attributable to Mother Theodore. This really didn't seem to rise to that."

After a countless time pondering of "Why me?" and "What does this mean?" McCord followed the advice of a sister who told him to accept it and move on.

"Coming to an acceptance, he said, "has been a long journey."

The Sisters of Providence expect the pope's approval sometime in April, with a canonization ceremony sometime later this fall. If Mother Theodore is confirmed, she will be only the eighth person who has done work primarily in the United States and the first saint from Indiana.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Paul, first of all, I am not a "neglected kid." I am an adult who is married and has children. I was not neglected growing up, either. Quite the contrary. I had loving and caring parents who went above and beyond for me.

What you claim is my reason for "leaving christianity" is false. I became convinced that the bible is false and that the god of the bible does not exist. I never claimed that missing out on an emotional experience was my reason for disbelieving, but if I had experienced something real, it would have been a plus for my faith.

In any case, I find what you have to say insulting. Clearly, you don't know me, nor do you get the purpose of what I wrote.


Anonymous andy said...
My hat goes off to you for having that courage despite your social pressure.
I can hardly imagine that here, where I live(Europe). Of course, some families are still very pious(mostly the Polish, Catholic families of which I know quite a lot), but with my family and friends it was no problem at all. Most of my friends are atheists to begin with; when I once mentioned my unbelief in front of my family, more like a side-note, everyone's reaction was like "so what?". Only my grandma exclaimed, surprised, not shocked: "Aww, no faith?" and the talk just went on where we left.
Very courageous of you, I cannot visualize the fear and distress you must have gone through.


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