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I know the bible is crap but then how do I explain THIS?
.: posted 2/23/2005 ::: by webmdave
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Hi this is a GREAT website and I may post a couple more times cos I'm new to this (only started really de-converting about two months ago!) Hope that's ok?! :-)
Enjoying all the testimonies, they help a LOT! Now, let me cut to the chase here. I no longer believe in the Bible, biblegod, jesus etc. BUT.....Ritchie's testimony about his penticostal experiences prompted me to write this, had been thinking about doing so anyway as I want to hear your views.
Right.........When I was conceived my mother didn't want me and I don't hold it against her OK but she was REALLY upset about being pregnant and tried to kill herself several times.
(1) The first time she overdosed on sleeping pills but just chucked them back up and when she asked the Doctor for more he was suspicious and wouldn't give them to her.
She could have o.d.ed I could have been killed (inside the womb) too but I wasn't and she didn't.
(2) She tried to gas herself but while she is SURE she shut the windows - and yes, especially in THAT state of mind she COULD have been mistaken, I know! - she went to sleep, the next morning she woke up to find one window wide open so we again could have died and didn't.
(3) This is the biggest mystery perhaps. She put her head in the oven and turned on the gas. She HAS had migranes before but NEVER a neck ache and she had a sudden terrible pain in her neck and she felt a hand pull her head out even though there was noone in the room. ! (
4) She would have liked to have had an abortion (rather than attempting suicide!!) but she didn't know where to go to get one (this was the early 70s and she was too ashamed to tell anyone, even though when she did MUCH later on tell them about me, her best friend and family even her mother were very accepting but she thought they wouldn't be. So I was not aborted (obviously, or I would not be writing this now - duh!)
(5) Her best friend told me a few years ago that my birthmum at five months' pregnancy - when she tried all this stuff - looked like a woman who was nine months' pregnant (yes, I know she didn't tell her best friend at the time, she must have told her later!) and it was as though there was a protective coating around me so I was not brain damaged but the attempt at sleeping pill OD for e.g! After all THAT I was adopted out at the tender age of three weeks and ended up in a fundamentalist Christian home! Hmmm after hearing all THAT and my birth mother is NOT a Christian, she believes in God but that's IT, I thought maybe I was SUPPOSED to be born and SUPPOSED to be brought up in a Christian home.
(Although I guess logically speaking it would have been a LOT easier if God wanted THAT to just make it so my dad (i.e. adoptive dad I have now) COULD have kids and then we wouldn't have needed to go through 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5!)
I have since come to realise there is no WAY the bible can be true and therefore my parents' beliefs are WRONG. So that theory goes out the window but on the OTHER hand, WAS someone intervening in my pre-birth to keep me alive and WHY and WHO THE FUCK WAS IT?
I am NOT a Christian anymore I am NOT a troll and (you'll have to take my word here and I KNOW swearing on the bible won't mean NOTHIN to me or you guys!!) OK I swear on my dead and much loved Grandmother's grave I am NOT making this stuff up!!
So guys, any possible explanations? A few I have come up with, by the way, tell me what you think (just DON'T tell me I or my birth mum are full of shit! cos she's no liar either and NOT a drama queen who lies to get attention cos I know the type and she's NOT it! and being irreligious she HAS no agenda!)
Right, my possible explanations:
(A) There IS a God. OR Goddess or more than one of those who for some crazy reason decided to help out. I have also considered there may be a deity/deities that IS there but is NOT omnipotent, has LIMITED powers. I mean, I'd be pissed off if SOMEONE OR SOMETHING out there helped ME out but didn't stop the tsunami if it/he/she/they COULD have stopped it!
(B) There is an ancestral spirit that actually gave a damn about it's descendant. Again, not an omnipotent one, of course.
(C) I was extremely lucky to be alive and that's all there is to it. And my mother was just imagining the hand thing and confused about the window because of her state of mind which obviously wasn't in a good place!!! and the neck ache was from tension and the fact she's never had one before or since means nothing. (Possible, I've had one single migrane and so far never had one before or since)
This also brings me to the crazy point that however it happened perhaps I or she or both of us are here for a reason but I'm 31 and although I am basically a kind and caring person who helps people when I can I haven't exactly found a major life purpose that makes the world a better place yet! I've also thought re. the family thing apart from the fact it could have been a coincidence and probably was maybe the reason if there is one I was put into THAT family was because THEY needed ME. MAN does that make me sound an egotistical meglomanic or WHAT?
Well I'm NOT OK?! Let me explain: My brother told me he was a father at 20 three weeks before he told our folx so maybe it helped him a tad getting that out. My father had an affair and I didn't condone it and wasn't exactly thrilled with him but let him know I accepted him no matter what.
Yes, I was in my 20s but still living at home but STILL! And my brother has been a total shit especially the five years he was a drug abusing alcoholic and caused us all KINDS of problems - also adopted, by the way, from an alcoholic family, yes really! now he's a fundie in some ways it's not much better! But ANYWAY my mum often said what a wonderful support I was to her in those times.
In case you are thinking I am putting myself on a pedistal I think despite how bad the fundamentalism Christianity has been for me but that's another story this one is WAY too long as is, appologies! in some ways my family have been good for me too, e.g. my dad is quite successful (no millionaire of course! but he does alright) and that inspires ME to try my best for just one e.g. So, any thoughts on any of that?
E.g. WHY?????? and HOW???? and WHO???????
Became a Christian: 3 weeks? ! ;- P OK maybe nine years old actually
Ceased being a Christian: 31
Labels before: What churches or organizations or labels have applied to you?
Labels now: Am I allowed to say eclectic? New Thought plus New Age plus Gnostic plus Deist plus Humanist etc! plus nothing against doing the odd wicca incantation!
Why I joined: Thank the family for that! Not wanting to go to hell! (at nine!)
Why I left: Because I realised the origins of the bible were questionable as was it's logic and it's contents so how could it be true. Plus I've always (almost always) been open-minded at heart back to my true self at last!
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15 Comments:
wrote:
The bible is definatly not crap,thats why it can not be explained as CRAP. Jesus is the way the truth and the light. He says' Knock and the door will be opened onto you', regardless of your sins seek him and he will be found.
Give him a try and it will NEVER be REGRETTED! nothing wrong with trying people. However he gives us free will, he doesnt force any indivdual to do what they dont want to.
WHAT a marvellous God we serve, and we are all precious to him.....!
posted: November 27, 2006 EST
wrote:
Anony-imbecile,
Let’s see…
Numerous misspellings, punctuation incorrect, lack of capitalization.
Invites Pascal’s wager…again!
Throwaway observations like “we are all so precious to Him”, that we’ll burn in hell for ALL eternity if we simply doubt His existence.”
Yep, sounds like a Fundy troll!
posted: November 27, 2006 EST
wrote:
When things happen that you can not believe you chose to believe what you want or others tell you. Some day you will go back to christianity whether you want to believe it or not. If God has been there to keep you and your family all this time, what makes he thinks he will leave you be now. If you're mom was the way she was and has changed now, how can you not SEE the blessing that have been given to you?
posted: December 11, 2006 EST
wrote:
i wish that you could just see just how much god does love you. and how real he is. you see i to have struggled with the questions you ask, that was until i discovered the truth. its called holy ghost,and get this its real.real? you might say, how do you know that? well i will tell you. i received this holy ghost about 10 years ago and it took away all doubt about a liveing god. i felt his spirit move through me like a fire burning and then he spoke through me with toungs of angles. my life had never been so clear.my heart had never been so clean.the devil is a strong power just like god and he takes over our minds and makes us question these things as a trick and they sound so real.if you have doubt in a true god why dont u just try talking to him and if he is not real then what have u lost. but i will continue to pray for you no matter, and i will continue to bind the devil off you in the name of JESUS, who is the living god.i love you my friends forever and a pray a prayer of faith over you right now that when you read this message you will know that their is a true and living god. in the name of jesus i claim it to be done. god bless
posted: January 30, 2007 EST
.:webmaster:. wrote:
Anony-bot!
Keep on praying and praying and praying and praying and praying...
And still, nothing will happen.
It's all in your mind. None of what you believe is real.
posted: January 31, 2007 EST
wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Posted: 1/30/2007 11:55 PM EST
"...talking to him and if he is not real then what have u lost. but i will continue to pray for you no matter, and i will continue to bind the devil off you in the name of JESUS, who is the living god.i love you my friends forever and a pray a prayer of faith over you right now that when you read this message you will know that their is a true and living god. in the name of jesus i claim it to be done. god bless"
To anonymous from Dano!
Your praying didn't work. When I read your post, I see a simi illiterate airhead who:
# 1. Is not considerate enough to figure out how to use the "other" button and make up a screen name, so that those who wish to respond to you, can address someone other than just another anonymous.
# 2. Your poor sentence structure and lack of any desire to use even the most fundamental punctuation, puts you in the class, or company, of many who call themselves Christians, and stop by this site to tell us about their relationship with Jesus.
# 3. The language of your post is so trailer trash, evangelical, it is scary.
# 4. The ability for critical thought, as demonstrated by your post, is zero.
I suggest that you get down on your knees and start praying for a release from your cult, and while you're at it, ask the big guy why he doesn't do something about the young Muslim children, who are brainwashed by their religion to the extent that they will strap a bomb on and blow themselves up, trying to kill those who believe slightly differently than them.
Dan (Ex Christian, posting on an ex Christian web site)
posted: February 01, 2007 EST
wrote:
my lack of typeing skills has nothing to do with my religion or my faith. i am sorry that you think that makes me stupid. their are some things that i agree with u on but the lack of god in the world is not one of them. i would like to know however, what you will say, on the day you stand before the god you say dosent exist when he asks you why you let go of him. why you lost your faith and why you led so many others down the wrong road. you know that their blood will be required on your hands dont you? if their is no god then why is it that when i was young my uncle died and had been dead for about 3 hours,long enough to turn blue and stiff,and god spoke to my aunt and told her to pray for him that he would raise him. and when she had no more than put her hands on him and said in the name of jesus that he raised up and said where am i? explain that to me. and here is another, when i was going through my divorse about 2 years ago i was haveing a real hard time dealing with everything. so despite me questioning god and woundering why, i just started praying and i asked god for peace. i no more than got the prayer out of my mouth and there was a knock on my door. i saw someone standing there and when i opened the door they were gone. but the peace that they had brought with them was still their and it consumed my whole body. i see comment posted on here by people who used to beleive and they are brainwashed into beleiveing god is not real.and u say the things i say are scarey. why are they scarey if their is no god then what do i have to fear. and weather you realise it or not prayers dont always happen all at once. someday you will see the truth and you will remember the words i wrote and you will see my prayer did work. it may not be until the day you meet god but you will remember. as always i love you and i will keep praying,and praying, and praying
posted: February 01, 2007 EST
Steven Bently wrote:
Thank you! Thank you for your prayers young Christian warrior!
By your thoughtful preyers, my grandmother whom has been deceast now for over 18 years knocked on my front door this evening and gave me the biggest hug you've ever sean. She said that someone had mentioned the name of Jesus and she immediately arose from the grave. Now I can't prove none of this, all I got is her death certificate, but as you klnow there will be people who simply insist and not believe. Jesus pre-dicked it.
Hit wont no more than 4 1/2 minutes when the phone ((((rang))) and I said, "hello, who is this?" It was George Bish and he said that there was, get this!!! World Peace, yes boy horay!!! GW said that Ossama Ben Laden has receieved, yes recieved the Lord Jesus into his hart and has been forgiven for all his sins and is publickly anouncing that all Muslambs renounce Isalm and bring about world peace, today, r ight now, pronto!! Ha ha how about that?
And GW said that world peace was brought about becuase of sum lonely humble and meek christian praying somehwere in the US of A., who's sandel's he was not worthy to unlatch! Huh Huh, you Atheists top that, I betcha kant?
I'm no educated feller, but why kant u all sea what the love of Jesis can do?
Jus keep preying, will ya do thaty?
posted: February 01, 2007 EST
wrote:
Many children will look at the world and say,"This was not created by chance." People know this and will force themselves down other paths, such as evolution, rebirth, ect. The reason they choose that path is one main reason...there are no rules in such a world! They will not have to obey anyone or anything, do what feels right: sex, drugs, putting yourself in front of other people's needs. They blindly follow these beliefs b/c as long as they are true...they're good to go. The world is 6000 YEARS OLD...IMPOSSIBLE, NOAHS ARK...INSANE! But they don't know the facts.
1. When people think of Noah's arc, they think,"How could millions of animals fit!" You only need the very first type of dog, not every type of dog (Golden Retrievers, Great Danes, ect...) The first dog is like a wolf. HUGE DINOSAURS? The egg is as big as a football. The total amount of space needed for them is only 1/3 of the arc! The other third was for Noah, his family, and food. The last third was for anyone else that wanted to come, no one came. He also had 120 years to prepare for this.
2. The EARTH is SIX THOUSAND YEARS OLD!!! I KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE! Evolutionists say that every layer of the earth is of millions of year, but they found something interesting. They found a tree and a WHALE that passed through MULTIPLE LAYERS! SO...that means a whale was just laying there for millions of years and nothing even decided to take a bite, that sounds more impossible.
3. CARBON DATING SAYS THAT THE EARTH IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD! Carbon dating is used to measure how much carbon has deteriorated from the rock and they find the date...millions of years. Do you know how rocks are formed? It's when lava cools and hardens, then it starts deteriorating. Some evolutionists decided to date an eleven year old rock, fresh from the volcano, the results came back as millions of years!
If anyone has question, email me at milescoate@bellsouth.net
THERE ARE MANY MORE THINGS THAN THE ONES I MENTIONED.
posted: November 04, 2007 EST
wrote:
Miles,
You really need to stop reading those lame apologetic xtian books and go to your library and take out some REAL science books to read instead.
You are being subjected to a ton of fundie mis-information and don't realize it.
We've already heard these 'excuses' you cite here and they have been disputed time and time again.
Now run along and get educated please.
ATF
posted: November 04, 2007 EST
fjell wrote:
Miles spewed, Many children will look at the world and say, "This was not created by chance."
Many children are also partial to the idea that a monster has taken up residence beneath their beds. Are the opinions of children really the best tool we have in determining what may or may not comport with reality?
Miles continues his bald armchair psychologal assertions with People know this [that the world was "created"] and will force themselves down other paths...
Let me tell you about what people "know" and "paths" people "force themselves down". The very sight of galaxies millions of light years away ought to be a pretty fair indication of the minimum age of the universe. It takes something as mind-numbing as religion to convince people to suspend their common sense.
posted: November 04, 2007 EST
wrote:
"Jesus is the way the truth and the light"
Sometimes I wonder if I wrote a book and said I was divined by God that if in a few thousand years I could have people saying that I am the truth and light.
The bible is crap. I'm not saying that God is crap, or even that Jesus is crap, they both very easily could be totally legitimate. Maybe even parts of the bible were divined by God.. but bottom line, it was written by men. Not God, .. men. Men with their own causes and ends they were trying to achieve.
posted: December 17, 2007 EST
wrote:
This quote TERRIFIES me!
"2. The EARTH is SIX THOUSAND YEARS OLD!!! I KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE! Evolutionists say that every layer of the earth is of millions of year, but they found something interesting. They found a tree and a WHALE that passed through MULTIPLE LAYERS! SO...that means a whale was just laying there for millions of years and nothing even decided to take a bite, that sounds more impossible.
3. CARBON DATING SAYS THAT THE EARTH IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD! Carbon dating is used to measure how much carbon has deteriorated from the rock and they find the date...millions of years. Do you know how rocks are formed? It's when lava cools and hardens, then it starts deteriorating. Some evolutionists decided to date an eleven year old rock, fresh from the volcano, the results came back as millions of years!"
Where did you get your information? Good little children's book of while the bible is true!? That information is just plain wrong. There is no other way to say it. That actually is not how all rocks are formed.... did you skip earth science in middle school? There is really nothing to say to those comments other than: you need to take yourself to a book store immediately- head to the science section - and pick up absolutely any book.
posted: December 17, 2007 EST
wrote:
I HATE GOD WITH A PASSION HE IS ONLY A FANTASY AND ONLY FOOLS BELEIVE IN IT THEY ARE ONLY FOOLING THEM SELVES.THEY ARE THE BIGGEST FOOLS ON EARTH. THEY ALL ARE TOO WILLING TO SHOW OFF HOW STUPID THEY ARE .THEY MAKE ME LAUGH. BECAUSE THEY TELL THE DIFFERRNCE BETWEEN FACT AND FANTASY.
posted: February 21, 2008 EST
mike wrote:
Anonymous,
You said, "give him a try and it will never be regretted!".
Let me tell you. I regret it. I was crippled at nineteen years old. I cant tell you how many times I have cried out to god for help, for healing of the physical and emotional pain. I was a christian, but was he there-NO! There was no comfort, there was nothing from this so called loving god. My life has been extremly hard and poor because of this wreck. Was god there to help me help myself-again NO!
Why do you think we are exchristians? We woke up and learned that the only way to be a christian is to be able to self delude yourself.
Of course I am sure you will have the same old answers that maybe I was not a real christian, or god has a plan. But after twenty five years of crying out to god he has never been there, and never had a plan!
I am better of without the phoney son of a bitch.
posted: March 30, 2008 EST
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