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encouraging ex-Christians
Letters from Visitors to ExChristian.Net and Replies.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves, this is one sick site. We will all stand before Almighty God one day, whether you believe it or not. Try searching and you will find the truth, not perfect people but a perfect & loving God. I will pray for you as I know someone must have prayed for me before I found God.
None of you ever were a Christian, you have no faith, no belief, no hope and no future. You are a bunch of angry, hurting, empty people. Jesus came to take you away from all of that, but you not only reject his free gift, you through it out without even seeing any of it, how very sad. I feel sorry for you, you have no idea what you have done. He died to open a door and you closed it without ever walking in. Christians are not perfect, just forgiven and thats all it takes to be free from the fear, anger and bondage that you are in. I will pray for you, for you are truely deceived by the devil himself. The entire site is blasphemy!!!
The only chance you have is to repent and search for Jesus
Lonnie
29
Idaho
None of you ever were a Christian, you have no faith, no belief, no hope and no future. You are a bunch of angry, hurting, empty people. Jesus came to take you away from all of that, but you not only reject his free gift, you through it out without even seeing any of it, how very sad. I feel sorry for you, you have no idea what you have done. He died to open a door and you closed it without ever walking in. Christians are not perfect, just forgiven and thats all it takes to be free from the fear, anger and bondage that you are in. I will pray for you, for you are truely deceived by the devil himself. The entire site is blasphemy!!!
The only chance you have is to repent and search for Jesus
Lonnie
29
Idaho
Love, hugs and meth fuled kisses a la Pastor Ted
Grandpa
Regarding your advice, "The only chance you have is to repent and search for Jesus" - I'm sorry to inform you that they've called off the search. It seems he's been missing now for over 2000 years.
Look, the truth is that some people who are Christian come to a conclusion that it's not the right way for us, for whatever reason. And we leave because of it. It's that simple. Who are you to judge us? Why don't you leave that to your precious deity? (So sorry again for using the big words. Deity means "god".)
You'll probably never even read this. I know your kind. You're cowards, all of you. You post this garbage and then you leave, thinking, "Yay, I just did my part to convert blashemers!" But, if you are correct in your beliefs against "Almighty God", then you will be subject to more harsh judgement than us. Why? Simple, you have suceeded only in driving us further away from your god. Read your Bible. Your god punishes that sort of thing.
It is slowly dawning on you that your beliefs have no reality behind them, and like a child whose pacifier it taken away, you just want to cry.
It's obvious he's never spent even so much as half a minute reading any of the testimonies on this site. If he had, he would have learned that many of the EX-christians on this site practiced the “faith” for longer than he may have been alive, some even as members of the clergy.
They did all the things that he says must be done in order to be “saved.” Many of us have asked, repeatedly – indeed, we begged and pleaded –– for Jesus to come into our hearts. After years, or decades, of receiving no reply, we wised up.
And, I mean “wised up” literally because, for many of us, our hunger for the truth has led us to educate ourselves in the history of how the bible was created and edited over several centuries by men with various agendas. Many of us have also studied philosophy and religion from all sides, not closing our minds to opposing viewpoints like the fundies are required to do.
Yet, Lonnie is wiser than any of us and just couldn’t resist the temptation to swoop in here and tell us how wrong we are. (Yeah, like that’s going to win any converts.) What a pathetic little man! He should be ashamed.
Your god is a big, fat myth! I hope that one day you too will wake-the-fuck-up! and realize that, as we here have. There is no Jesus, and never was. It is you who should be ashamed. You come here, without knowing any of us, and make such idiotic statements.
Lonnie, please for the love of humanity, search yourself and ask "why do you believe?", and be honest yourself.
Am too!
Go blow Ted Haggard. You might have to dress up like a man first.
Satan
Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. I'm sure they will not make a difference, as God does not intervene, especially regarding our free will.
Let me address some of the points you make
Try searching.
Thanks, I have searched. I've searched harder than most. In fact all of us ex-Christians
have searched hard to find God and then searched even harder to lose him, work that one out, if you can.
None of you ever were a Christian; you have no faith, no belief, no hope and no future.
It is by grace you are saved and not by faith. So I think I was. I remember being mugged and told to hit back but I wouldn’t, as I was a Christian, so there. And by reading all the posts and ex-testimonies there are many ex-Christians on this site who were stronger Christians than me.
I have no faith, I quite agree. If you can explain how belief in the unknown can make anyone's life better I'll entertain your thoughts more readily. I have hope and I certainly have a future that is brighter and clearer than yours. Your future is dictated not by your own actions but is surrendered to a deity. That makes you a helpless pawn with, as I see it, no free will.
Angry, empty, hurting people.
My lack of faith in a deity means that I have no anger. My life is full and I got over the hurt of losing God long ago. In fact, you seem angrier than me, and you are filled with the holy spirit.
Christians are not perfect, just forgiven and that’s all it takes to be free from the fear, anger and bondage that you are in.
Perhaps you can elaborate on "fear, anger and bondage". I just don't see how they apply to me. I think they apply more to you. You must always be afraid to forget to say that you are sorry for your sins in case you slip out of Christianity and then die and go to hell.
I will pray for you, for you are truly deceived by the devil himself.
How perfectly this religion has you in its grasp. Every way you turn you find an excuse to reinforce it. Every bit of science you read that denies the existence of God must be an answer from the devil. Can you not see how convenient this is? It is as if the bible writers created the devil so as to make their religion more successful.
Good luck in your search. By finding this site and reading the responses you have made a step in the right direction.
Perfect example, of an arrogant theist... an absolutist who considers themselves somehow privvy to absolute knowledge of the universe. Lonnie can predict that all people on this site have no "faith", were never "true" christians, and are "all" currently hurting and empty.
Of course, since Lonnie is perfectly omniscient, they can prescribe the "perfect" solution... their religion/god.
So, we are all hurting, but Lonnie thinks we should be chastized further in order to "help" us. Hey Lonnie, in your most omniscient view, if a child comes up to you and suggests they were sexually molested... is it your modus operandi to slap the child and tell them they are liars and were never really capable of telling the truth anyway?
Sincerely, your formerly-Chrisitian friend, boomslang.
Lonnie, you are not a "true" christian! I have never met a "true" christian.
So there!!!
Anyway, he recited the whole Christian spiel down to the letter. I used to always rant against apostates with that same goddamn speech...
Christians are nothing if not predictable!
Go have a one night stand with Ted Haggard, Lonnie. It might do you some good!
First of all, you tiny little man, how presumptious of you to assume that we are not Ex-Christians. How silly and small of your narrow little mind to conjure up such speculation.
This site was established to support folks who could no longer, in good conscience, call themselves Christians after finding through years of questioning, soul searching, prayer and research that the Bible and Christianity are false. This site was established for the purpose of consoling those of us who could no longer find solace in the den of confusion called "Church" and could no longer turn a blind eye to the failed prophecies of Jesus, the contradictions, atrocities, and scientific impossiblities proposed in the Bible, the hypocrisy among believers, church abuse, fraud, and sexual misconduct, and the suffering witnessed around the world. THis site was created for those of us who could no longer live with the mental torment that accompanies Christianity as an anvil tied to one's neck.
His gift is not "free" as you so eloquently state. Jesus himself gave different people different ways to be saved. He told one that he should follow the commandments, he told another to sell all he had to the poor, he supposedly states in John 3:16 that all those who believe will be saved. Paul states that it is by grace ALONE, while James refutes that notion and most adamantly warns Christians that faith without works is DEAD!!! No, little man, Jesus' "gift" is not free. It comes with a huge price to one's mental and emotional makeup.
I am a parent and would never expect my child to believe in me despite the fact that they've never seen me, have been raised by another mother, never heard my audible voice, only has a book of rules and prose left for him to follow that I had other people write over a period of thousands of years, never visited my child, never answered his cries, never held him or sung him to sleep...I would not then leave him with the choice to believe in me or fry in Hell simply because his rational mind (that I gave him) could not. You see, this "gift" is not a gift at all. This "get-out-of-jail-free card" is a disgusting way of controlling the masses through reward of Heaven or punishment of Hell.
You Christians expect us to dismiss all the absurdities and contradictions in your Holy book, your corrupt leaders, violent Christian history that includes rape, torture, slavery, and more, hypocrisy among present day followers, and the findings of our own diligent research. You expect us to dismiss all this and take on faith what you shout from the pulpits despite the fact that your own logic prevents you from being able to dismiss all of the despicable tenents of Islam and take by faith the claims that Muslims make. How do you know you are not in err? Why is your religion the ONLY key to salvation? What is it about the Islamic faith that you can not accept as "Truth"? Is it the violence? Well, you've got plenty of that. Is it the wacky stories? YOu've got plenty of those. Is it the improbability of Muhammad being the final prophet? I'm sure millions around the world who DO NOT subscribe to the faith of Jesus would point out the improbability of your prophet being the right one as well. Is it the the suicide bombings? Well as of a couple of hundred years ago Christians cited the Bible for justification for keeping slaves, surpressing women, killing American Indians and "witches" and any number of atrocities you can find out about through a complete study of U.S. History and the "faith" of the first settlers. What is it about ALL OTHER FAITHS that you just can not accept? Why is your God-man the ONLY WAY? Why aren't other God-men just as worthy of worship? Why isn't Mithras, Buddha, or Krishna deserving of as much respect as your Jesus? Oh, you just scoff at such ideas don't you? Never mind the fact that the stories and the words and ideas of Jesus can be found in texts much older than the Bible belonging to faiths other than yours. Ironic isn't it? That would mean that your Savior BORROWED the sayings of wise men that had come before him wouldn't it? Being that he is supposed to be the son of God, one would expect to find some HOLY SHIT, ONE-OF-A-KIND, UNIQUE ONLY TO JEEBUS, words of wisdom, but alas, it's is only recycled wisdom handed down throughout the ages by men who knew these universal truths: TREAT OTHERS WITH RESPECT, DON'T STICK YOUR DICKIE DOO IN MRS. BETTY LOU IF YOU DON'T WANT HER HUSBAND TO FUCK WITH YOU, KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OTHER PEOPLE'S SHIT OR YOU MIGHT GET SHANKED, ETC. ETC. ETC. Did I get those right?
I am finished with you now. Run along now and compare the World Religions. Study the origins of your faith, the history of the church, the development of your Bible...Search out the origins of your pagan holidays, your pagan "Sabbath",the truth behind your "rapture" doctrine. Find out how Catholic you really are and just how much Rome influences your beliefs and customs every day. Do all that and come back. Perhaps then you will come back with less hostility toward those of us who are fearless enough to look your religion in the eye and say, "NO MORE!"
Don't make fun of Lonnie. It's not nice to tease retards.
Don't make fun of Lonnie. It's not nice to tease retards."
Ha, ha...you guys are a blast!
When I was reading Lonnie's post, I could almost see his read face, blood pumping to his hot head, the steam of anger coming out of his ears.
How come Jesus hasn't changed his anger into patience? I am sorry Lonnie. Jesus lied to you. He has no power to change you. None.
Its easy to have faith in something when you get to be the rebel fighting for a cause. Thats the only reason you even believe. So you can fight the bad guys.
Yup Lonnie, just keep jumping up and down, cover your ears, and keep screaming
ME LOVE JESUS!
YOU BAD!
ME LOVE JESUS!
YOU BAD!
And just because YOU said it, we'll all believe.
If God knows what is in everybodys Heart, then he would have told Pastor Ted Haggard what he was doing was wrong, but Ted had been doing that for over 3 years, Ted had 3 years to tell the congrgation that what he was doing was wrong, but he waited until he got caught with his pants down.
Lonnie, you come on here spewing your Jesus feces, you're no different than Ted Haggard or Jim Bakker, or Jimmy Swaggard, you're a brainwashed fundy, sick demented little boy.
You were never real (true) Christians!
You all are going to hell!
Blasphemy!
I’m so sad for you.
God’s a callin; you’re just not listening.
Jesus loves.
Satan’s deceived you!
Repent before it is to late.
I’d really like to talk to you, personally. Here is my e-mail:
Excreta….
"Christians are not perfect, just forgiven."
Could you kindly give us reference to the exact scripture and verse of that statement?
Lonnie: "as I know someone must have prayed for me before I found God."
Lonnie you must have been one-more mean s.o.b., before you got saved, huh?
How many people have you killed?
How many old ladies and babies have you raped?
Did you chop your victims up after you bludgeoned them to death?
Did you eat the victims after you have killed them?
How many armed robberies have you committed?
Did you worship Satan and his league of angels on a daily basis?
You see Lonnie, this is what we Atheists do, everyday!
We Hate God, we dispise Jesus, and prayer, we worship Satan our Lord and drink upon his blood everyday.
Our goal and mission is to go out and destroy GOD!!! and JESUS and we will succeed!!!! GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
You see Lonnie, we do none of that! You've been deceived by your preacher and your family, you've fell for the greatest lie ever sold!
The majority of Atheists I know lead a much purer life than any Christians that I know.
It's you Lonnie, that has it all wrong, we've said the same things that you've said before from our own self-rightous Ivory Tower!
Go crawl back into your Jesus shell comfort zone for about 20 years and you may live long enough to see that it was "you" all along that got fooled!
Jesus called. He wants his religion back. Seems you'll have gone and fucked it up beyond all recognition. maybe you should do your homework and find out just exactly where all those crazy beliefs came from. I would start with the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Ahhhh....by the way, that was written BEFORE the high priest Jesus and his wife Mari Magdelene were even born!
I smell the blood of a fundie troll.
To be specific, Lonnie-the-fundimbecile, I am anything but angry, hurting, or empty. I'm just no longer a christian. You quote all or most of those little quips I too learned, years ago, and of course that has no value here. Jesus didn't die for me, because he never lived in the first place. He is a fiction. So go ahead and pray Lonnie-boy, knock yourself out. When you finally learn the truth of your nonsensical doctrines, come back and join us.
That was the most convincing position I've read in quite some time... He just recruited me!
AAAuuuuurrrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!!
DAMN! Now I have to get dressed up, go to church and become a hypocrite.... DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!!
Not that it matters, as you will never read this. You have clearly not thought about this for more than the time it took you to type this letter - in other words, not long, since it is 100% cliche. You have been fed this tripe and you vomit it at us now.
Unfortunately for your effort, we are all either ex-Christians, or thoroughly inoculated by knowledge, reason and insight. Christianity is bunk, it´s followers, deceived. Simple, pat.
Okay. Step by step.
"You should all be ashamed of yourselves, this is one sick site."
Why should we be ashamed of gathering together and celebrating our freedom from your silly and painful beliefs together? It is a very happy occasion to gather over. Maybe one day you will experience it yourself. And a sick site? How? Because we are vocally non-believer? Maybe you should talk to the goatse man about what is sick.
Actually, what I find sick are apologetic sites that defend genocide and intolerance as godly.
Like GodHatesFags, for instance.
"We will all stand before Almighty God one day, whether you believe it or not."
Says who? You? Who are you, little man? What the hell do you know? Let me spell it out for you: You don´t know shit. If you did, you would not be doing what you are doing.
Imbecile.
"Try searching and you will find the truth, not perfect people but a perfect & loving God."
We did search, and we found not a perfect and loving god, but a deeply flawed and loveless false god. Things went their natural way from then on.
"I will pray for you as I know someone must have prayed for me before I found God."
Prayer is futile. For evidence of that I refer you to... the world. If prayer did anything, the world would not be as it is.
Example: Neva Rogers, who got her brains blown out while she was praying. That´s a goddamned effective reality check right there. (Sorry Neva.. just making a point to the fucktard).
"None of you ever were a Christian,"
One day, after you have left your current shit behind you, someone will tell you that. And boy, will you feel stupid. We practically all were Christians here, shithead. Deconverting is not easy... but it was necessary and inevitable.
"you have no faith, no belief, no hope and no future."
That´s about the size of it, Jethro. All of our hopes and beliefs extend only to the life we have now. We indeed have no future beyond our death. Neither do you... well, except maybe as some lovely plants, a couple of thousand assorted insects and some billion bacteria. It´s like reincarnation, only REAL.
"Jesus came to take you away from all of that, but you not only reject his free gift, you through it out without even seeing any of it, how very sad."
You possess the arrogance of the truly ignorant. We were once where you are now. Maybe, someday, somehow, you will be where we are today.
"I feel sorry for you, you have no idea what you have done."
But you do, of course, since you are so much wiser than us. You stupid, ignorant, superstitious ape. We are thinking individuals. Each of us has weighed the pros and cons of Christianity and found it VERY wanting. We reject it because it is evidently not true. But here you swagger in with your atavistic brain and spout your fundie juice all over us.
Bah. But hey, stick around. You might be able to evolve some...
"He died to open a door and you closed it without ever walking in."
Christians are always making the mistake of believing a metaphor is an argument in and of itself.
Lonnie... Jesus probably lived, and if so, he died, and it is quite likely he really was nailed to a tree and slowly and painfully died, as thousands of Jews, many of whom were probably called "Jesus", did in those days.
The only difference was that some follower, perhaps not even intending to be taken literally, began to claim Jesus was still alive. And the misunderstanding persists until today. You are a victim of it. Wake the fuck up already. The story is ridiculous.
"Christians are not perfect, just forgiven and thats all it takes to be free from the fear, anger and bondage that you are in."
Christians are not perfect... fuck no, I´ll say. If it was a toaster, you wouldn´t even send it back to the factory... you´d just take it out back and shoot the poor bastard.
Honey... if one thing has become increasingly and glaringly clear, it is that Christians are absolutely not in any way free from fear, anger and (dare I say it) bondage. You are so fucked up that you think people can´t be happy unless they are AS fucked up as you are.
Is that it? Can´t you stand the fact that people could be happy without your Jesus? :)
"I will pray for you, for you are truely deceived by the devil himself. The entire site is blasphemy!!!"
I will jack off for you. The results will be the same, and I might as well get some jollies out of it. And let´s face it, what is prayer besides mental masturbation?
The devil, you say? Ah yes. Your other great image. One perfect good, the other perfect bad. Kind of like Mazda and Ahriman. But then, the Jews did like to copy from other religions.
Dude... there is no devil here, just a lot of people who, every now and then, get a little chafing from people like you. And yes, then we get angry and say mean things that make the baby Jesus cry. Like poo-poo. And caca. And existentialism.
The entire site is blasphemy... wow. That´s news. Did you know your Bible is blasphemous against all other gods? It´s true. It claims at one point that there are no gods besides yours, and man, that is pretty insulting to the hundreds of millions of other gods that were invented by mankind.
"The only chance you have is to repent and search for Jesus."
The only chance you have is to repent and die in glorious battle if you ever want to sit in Walhalla.
The only chance you have is to obey your Karma if you ever want to merge with Krishna.
The only chance you have is to follow the ways of the prophet if you want to get your seventy virgins.
Blow me, loser.
So, Lonnie...... being anonymous became who I was, until I met others who were treated with the same kind of HATE and FILTH by SO CALLED "GOD LOVING MEN and WOMEN"...
SO Lonnie.......you wanna bite on that one...with of course all the LOVE AND CHRISTIAN GRACE you can muster up....
BUT know this....I am searching....searching for the answers as to how I could be SO FOOLED all those years, by CHRISTIANS that claimed to LOVE me. HELL, even Jesus, after turning all those money changing tables over and being so angry, NEVER THREW PEOPLE OUT!!!!! SO WHERE IS THE TRUTH.......I have not found it in church or with this Jesus you speak of.....mostly, those who have claimed to be Christians are just self serving ASSHOLES....and it sounds as if your ONE OF THE BIGGEST!!!IMO
signed......SOMEBODY
Sorry if this was a bit long and a bit off topic...
And now imagine if I had used this same type of language when I went into the gang territories of the Crips, Bloods, Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords and Latin Kings?
I would have not come out alive but because I showed them respect and I loved them as God's children I was allowed to walk from one hood into the next at any hour of the day or night and be completely safe. I walked into the middle of gang fights and saved a few lives or would show a youth that flipping burgers at McDonalds was better than making 1500.00/day selling drugs. I loved these, my kids.
Your message will do nothing more than to reinforce the bigotry of the religion of Christianity which has grossly misrepresented the message of Jesus and God's love. Also as a side note you should carefully read the butcher, kidnapping, murder; killing of babies, children and women; rape and land stealing passages in the Bible. And after reading them ask yourself if this represents a God who is supposed to be full of love, compassion, mercy, justice, holiness and forgiveness. If you state God's justice demands this as well as eternal burning in a Lake of Fire, then you are saying your God is a conscience lacking butcher who revels in the suffering and being man's puppet master, because justice without the quality of mercy and forgiveness is called revenge. As I have stated before,
I cannot believe in any writings which lessen the dignity of mankind and speaks more of his deprivation, wickedness and worthlessness than of his beauty, grandeur and value. I cannot believe in a God who says we were created in His image and likeness and then that same God sends His image and likeness to a fiery hell for not thinking like He does when we thought we were serving Him as he desired. How can I unquestionably accept the Bible when it lessens the majesty of a loving God and looks upon His finest creation as better dead than Bible fed.
Lonnie, my brother [yes, I am a Christian who will never forget the love of God that flowed into my heart in 1971 when I trusted Jesus. But I believe all will go to heaven but that on that winter night in 1971 I felt the presence of God], you need to make up your mind and heart on which God you believe in and whether or not He loves or hates His creation, because I cannot ever imagine that in my wildest dreams I would throw one of my kids in hell and their only sound would be the screams that echoed out, "Please daddy, don't let me stay here".
blaine
Do you know what is important to me now? LIFE....just fiting in and enjoying the moment, a nice family party,,getting along and living in peace..without religion!
Try it ....life is good when your not around crazy christians! Its the simple moments in life that will let you slip out of your rut!
When you can let go of the afterlife! and get in touch with the now!! then you will understand! Do you really think God has put you here to make us all like you! Living life as it is!! is living !
p.s. I have no doubt that your life is full of disfunction and chaos!! am i right!! start living its great!
Set the cruelty and clever sarcasm aside and try to reach him with good reason.
Are you kidding????
Apparently you didn't read his opening comments!!!
Reason is not a trait that he portrays!
"White collared conservative flashing down the street,
Pointing their plastic finger at me.
They're hoping soon my kind will drop and die,
But I'm gonna wave my freak flag high, high.
Wave on, wave on"
For GOD so loved the WORLD that HE gave HIS only SON so that all who believe on Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
JESUS died on the cross and rose again so that all who believe on HIM might be forgiven.
His love restored me to HIM not some hell fire preacher, in fact it wan't even a hell fire preacher who was preaching the night I first believed.
Instead of criticising these folks go away and read Luke 15 and ask God to help you understand more of HIS love
Why should I be ashamed of myself??
Please give one reason,.
How is this a "sick site"?
One example please
Which "almighty" god will we all stand before?
There are so many of them
I did search,, and I did find many truths, Hence my being an EX christian,
There are no "perfect" people, only people
I was a devout christian for 12 log and degrding years, and remained a nominal christian for 2 or 3 years after that. Your denial of my experiences is a denial of my life and self,, and is a hatefull and sadistic crime, for which YOU should be ashamed.
I have a great deal of faith , I have firm belief, enormous hope, and a long future. Please dont lie about me again,, Its imoral and unethical.
You make me angry with your lies, and you hurt me with your slanders, But you cannot make me empty, Sorry , you fail.
No, no jesus ever came to do anything, and I have never rejected any "free" gift (redendancy)
What right do you have to feel sorry for me? your arrogant condescention is neither wanted nor needed.
I am FULLY aware of all that I have done, Please do not deny my inteligence to me. It is insulting.
Christiand think they are "forgiven" its their excuse for evil, I know because I was one.
I escaped from fear, anger and "bondage" when I escaped the christian cult, I am no longer in any state of fear or "bondage".
Again please do not lie about me.
How am I "deceived" by any "devil"?
My only chance was to escape from the cult and take responsibility for my own life instead of waiting for an invisible sky daddy to fix everything for me.
I found jesus, and frodo baggins, and harry potter,
and luke skywalker,
My life, suprisingly, is now better since I left christianity. Yes, there are tough times that I go through, as do every human being on this planet, but that's life for you. Christians are not perfect, but they can be very offesnive, closed-minded and ignorant at times. Just like everyone else.
It is also interesting how simply because we do not believe what you believe, we are going to hell, or better yet, we are in bondage to Satan. I grew up. My mind wanted to learn more. I grew out of christianity, so to speak. Satan had nothing to do with it, unless it was working to make myself more open to new ideas and a better way of life.
We're your brothers and sisters Lonnie. If God created us all, then we're all his children. You aren't exactly setting the best example for your siblings.
I feel compassion for someone who lives in such a cruel, cartoon world. May you come to senses one day, and regain the morality that was taken from you by such a cruel belief system. I would never wish such an awful fate on even my worst of enemies. But your perfect loving God would. Sounds like bad taste in deities.
Maybe it's enought for him that he has my soul! In that case, Thats between me and God, who I don't believe, But its certainitly NOT between me and you! My beliefs have absultly no inpact what so ever on your life. SO STAY OUT OF MINE. So what if I don't believe in your god? So what if you think I'm going to hell. Does any of this have an impact on YOUR live? NO! So why don't you go chassing that good christian life instead of sticking your nose where it's not wanted.
There's a god? Sure there is. Lots of them in fact. And their boss is named Odin.
Hey fundie brat - prove me wrong!
You still seem unable to grasp the fact that we do not consider the Bible true. So referring us to Bible texts is not the most effective way of swaying us to your point of view. Try something else. Like looking at our lives and comparing them to your own.
Anonymous coward: I have read Romans 6: 22-23 and it says that "Sin pays wages, namely death, but our Lord God gives a gift, eternal life."
But er... the problem here is that we do not believe that that is true. We think it is propaganda, created to influence people. And it works. On people with no defenses like scepticism.
Have you ever considered the possibility that the writer of Romans (Paul of Tarsus, who never even MET Jesus and had not read the Gospels at this point, and possibly never did) was not actually telling the truth?
And if not, why not?
Kingdoms rise and fall, religions are forgotten, monuments crumble and yet the world keeps turning, always has, always will.
Well, for the next 6,000,000,000 years at least, by which time humanity with all its faiths and empires will be long gone anyway.
Dear mirrorofdistortion,
Read the testimonials of the members here before spouting off another ignorant rant. Especially the "Pascal's wager" shit. I mean really, if I wanted to "play it safe" I would have to practice every religion simultaneously. Fear is no reason to believe something, and the exploitation of fear is good reason to believe something is false.
*considers how time consuming that'd get after a while*
But hey, let´s for the moment assume a god created us. Looking at nature, I say that god does not give a flying fuck about individual suffering, ipso facto, does not give a hoot about morality. I could never be more than a deist. Sorry. If there is a god, he just does not care.
Stop reading Prince’s lyric sheets and learn to spell. You is Y-O-U, not “U”.
Your tripe can be summed up at the end of your third sentence. It’s your opinion.
IT’S YOUR OPINION.
That’s all it is…YOUR OPINION!
Your ignorant opinion doesn’t make it the truth no matter how hard you believe in it!
Good grief, how many of these fundamentalist toads are there out there?
For some reason you think that by spouting such ridiculous nonsense that makes you somehow superior than us.
You've got your Gzus insurance and if it's all a lie, (which it is!) then you've waisted all your life spouting religious nonsense and looking like a total fool trying to mimick Gzus.
Why not grow up and get a real life and quit repeating something you've heard your mamma or a preacher repeat?
Religions "use" the gov't whether on the left and right to support their plan(s), typically the plan of "spreading" their religious dogma.
I know you don't believe anymore, I was not quoting the bible to the ex-xtians if you noticed but it was addressed to Lonnie who started this thread.
Yes I disagree with the views of the Ex-Xchristians and yes I would like to see many return to the faith they once held dear.
But as someone who was at one time an Ex-Xtian myself I know that quoting the bible will not change people on this site.
Lonnie as a Christian appears to need to grow up in his faith.
Since I came across this site I have begun praying regularly for people whose site names I can remember, why?
Because most of what I have read speaks to me of the pain, desperation, disillusionment and suffering that I felt away from Jesus Christ.
Mock me - course you can, it ain't goin to stop me praying because Jesus was mocked, beaten, tortured and crucified.
Look forward to reading more from you and others.
I thought I was a christian, but I now know that this was a fairy tale,...thanks for reminding me.
*(by the way I am an ordained minister envolved in church ministry for 20 years,..what have you done for Jebus??????????)
The "hurting" phase of leaving christianity is like any other result of a broken relationship. You experience it and move on. It resolves into peace of mind and a renewed idea of ourselves in this world.
Why can't christians believe that we ex-christians are happier now? Pardon me, but I am doing quite well without anyone's prayers, especially my own. Pray for yourself if you need to pray for someone--maybe you'll start questioning the flaws in your faith and find yourself on the opposite side someday.
And the martyr thing you have going on, it comes off a bit narcissistic--an immediate turn-off.
I know you don't believe anymore, I was not quoting the bible to the ex-xtians if you noticed but it was addressed to Lonnie who started this thread.
Lonnie is still fresh out of the cult. This why he’s not address you, LONNIE! You’ve already developed a hard shell – cult repellant.
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Andrew,
Why should we return? I for one did not hold dear to Christianity. If I did, I would have stayed put. I find the entire ideology repulsive and insulting. Plus it’s the outmost rubbish if you were to ask me.
Christians try to portray those who de-convert from the Christianity as to a Jedi Knight in the Star Wars movies converting to the Dark Side of the force! Like Yoda and Ben Kenobi, thy try to equate turning away from Christianity wit hthe path of the darkness and evil! The nerve of them!
Your feelings are subjective and it proves nothing. Furthermore, I can type the same shyte on this thread – see. Enough of your cult mind sentiments. Furthermore, I don’t feel any kind of desperation to try and seek comfort outside of myself. Of course you will be disenchanted when, no matter how much you call out to a god, it does not answer back.
Concerning your prayers, save them. Here we are, separated by this computer, by land and water. None of us are trying to persuade you, none of us are praying to the other 8,000+ gods (like Thor) to intervene on your behalf to see the light, but you have the audacity (assuming prayer is what you fundies think it is) to try and change the course of OUR LIFE…..as if we asked you to. Talking to yourself is not going to change anything Andrew, especially changing peoples’ individuality or as you would call it, FREE WILL.
As for that “mock me if you want because jesus was….,” what you are displaying is nothing more than the persecution complex. You were instilled with the felling of obligation. You are told that god loved you so much that he became flesh and died for you. This ultimate act of love, giving up one’s life so to speak, should be appreciated - GUILT- you owe me or I love you and you oath to love me back, because, see, see, what I did for you, you should reverence me or suffer the consequences. I don’t feel it’s necessary to give you any more credence or less ridicule because you think someone was tortured and killed to appease itself on your behalf. That is the sickest shit I have ever heard.
Pain and hurting...? Do you know what I actually felt on the day I shook the last remnants of my faith? A deep, deep feeling of relief and elation. The realization "It is really not true - I really do not have to believe it" was literally like a heavy weight lifted off my shoulders. I wonder if you experienced that when you left.
I also wonder what made you return. Could you not handle what you found? I assume being an atheist in the USA can´t be all that great, on account of the overwhelming majority of Christians everywhere. I assume it must be somewhat like being a Christian in Iran.
Or did you miss the warm feeling of being in the hands of God? You know, I do wonder how Christians work out the discrepancies between the notion that God is love and what is actually in the Bible. How do you do that, Andrew?
The God you purport to love, according to the Bible used to kill a lot of kids without looking back. Does not speak of love to me. The massacres in the Old Testament were the single strongest reason my faith initially started to wane.
How do you handle them?
And, well, prayer... I think it is painfully obvious that prayer is the most futile act in the world. Well, it shares that title with wishing. It is, after all, the same thing. About a hundred, if not more, fundamentalists have told me over the last couple of years that they would pray for me. I assume they were all telling the truth, yet lo and behold... I am still the same.
Andrew... when was the last time you seriously asked yourself whether your faith had true validity? When was the last time you held the notions you believe in to the light of cold examination? Have you, in fact, EVER done that?