By Brother Jeff I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -- Mohandas Gandhi
I find myself in agreement with Gandhi. Though I don’t believe that he was god, I have nothing in particular against Christ. I do, however, have something against Christians, and it is this -- I hate their willful ignorance and I hate their bigotry and intolerance. I am referring specifically to homosexuality.
I get so tired of hearing about how homosexuality is allegedly a “sin” and an abomination worthy of death and eternal damnation. I get so tired of hearing Christians -- who are supposedly filled the the Holy Spirit and the Love of Jesus -- continually spout hatred and bigotry against homosexuals. I get so tired of their willful ignorance in this area. I have news for Christians -- you have no idea what you are talking about, the opinions of the authors of your Bronze Age Book of Myths be damned.
If you actually, truly knew anything at all about homosexuality, you would know that it is present throughout the animal kingdom, and you would know that it is as natural as heterosexuality is. You would also know that homosexuality may have evolutionary advantages. See the latest issue of Scientific American Mind for the details, if you have any interest in educating yourselves.
Another News Byte for Christians -- there is no such thing as some evil “homosexual agenda” as you imagine, with homosexuals out to destroy America and the traditional family unit. That’s a delusion and a myth that you have been taught to believe in church. Homosexuals, in reality, want nothing more than the same basic rights that heterosexual couples enjoy, and they most certainly should have them. I have personally known several homosexual individuals over the years, and not one of them has been “evil” or “immoral” in any way. They all have, in fact, been fine, upstanding members of society.
There is nothing at all “wrong” with being homosexual just as there is nothing “wrong” with being left-handed. Genetics is key in both. If God hates homosexuals, then he must also hate the left-handed. I am very thankful that my mother raised me to see that those who are different from me are not necessarily “wrong” or “evil”, but just simply different. I see no reason to hate those who are different from me, and that includes homosexuals.
Jesus, by the way, hung out with “sinners” instead of hating them. Christians, don’t you think it’s about time that you did the same? Whenever you express hatred, bigotry, and intolerance, you send the message that that is what your religion stands for, and believe me, we get that message loud and clear! When you start showing love and tolerance and respect for others who differ from you, then perhaps we’ll believe you when you claim that your religion is about love.
Glory!
I agree, but the article is addressed to Christians, and they believe that Jesus is a historical figure, so that's the way I wrote it. Whether Jesus is a myth or not is not relevant here, IMHO.
"I find myself in agreement with Gandhi. Though I don’t believe that he [Jesus] was god."
If you don't believe that Jesus is/was god then you will to agree that Jesus was a liar for reportedly saying "I and the Father are one".
But if Jesus is God, in the context of the Trinity doctrine, then Trinitarians have to evaluate whether Jesus can be thought to be a hypocrite, for teaching humility, forgiveness etc when according to biblical narratives [vide Old Testament] he was merrily killing [committed no less than three genocides]with zest and cruelty. And in the Book of Revelation he is reported to be slaughtering until his robe turned red with the blood of his enemies.
Christians cannot have their cake and eat it, too.
Talk about their God being all-loving is just crap.
"Religion is all lies" - I recall someone saying this. If this does not apply to every religion then it certainly applies to the three major monotheistic religions
This is ExChristian.Net, not "Might go back to Christianity if we just read the right apologetics book dot net".
Until there is physical proof of the existence of a god, the vast majority of us are simply not going to *bother* worrying about it one way or the other.
And if it turns out that the alleged god is the filicidal, genocidal, pestilential maniac described in the Bible... There are more than a few of us who wouldn't worship it anyway.
So do you have anything of substance to say on Brother Jeff's article, or are you just here to flog books?
Bullshit. Non-theism is growing, it is just as American as the non-belief in "Bigfoot", and it is here to stay. In some cases, "death" is simply the only cure for religious memes. So be it. The new generations..i.e..children, and young teens alike, who replace the "dead"(pun intended), are more informed than they ever were, due in part, to the advent of the internet & World Wide Web. At this rate, in a few thousand years, people will(hopefully) scoff at Christianity, the way Christians scoff at Mithraism.
quote continues..."History will prove before long the truth of this contention[between Christianity and Islam]."
No it won't. I promise you, the opposing sides will destroy the earth before that happens. Both beliefs are "faith"-based, and thus, neither are falsifiable. 'See the problem?(rhetorically asked)
I thought that Bible passage was absurd. It made me question my faith.
Now I don't have faith. I am not an atheist. But I do respect atheists. I am a deist. Somehow I still beleive in a higher power...but that's just me. I don't impose my beliefs on others. I don't treat others condescendingly...not at all!
The good part is I am more openminded now than before...when I was brainwashed. To me organized religion is just an opium of society. We can do better without it and we will be better people. Can you imagine? No more wars because of religious differences!
Peace to all!
Danny Tuason
If you don't believe that Jesus is/was god then you will to agree that Jesus was a liar for reportedly saying "I and the Father are one".
Your logical fallacy is showing.
Whether I or other moderns believe in god has nothing to do with Jesus' belief.
If he believed in god, then he wasn't lying to say that he and the father were one.
If he didn't believe in god, then he could have been lying, but then, he might have simply been delusional.
You have evidently misread my post.
I was referring to a statement made by Jeff and the subject is about Jesus.
This has nothing to do with your belief in god.
If you believe in Jesus as god then we can continue with the discussion. If you believe he was only human, then I would have nothing further to say.
Your statement: "If he believed in god, then he wasn't lying to say that he and the father were one" is faulty and a clear indication of your own faulty logic or assumption.
To say: "I believe in God" is one thing but to say: "I am god" is another.
"I and the Father are One" is one of the several claims Jesus allegedly made to his listeners, implying that he is god.
You think Jesus might have been delusional, but you have to remember there are currently billions of people who believe in his divinity. Would you say these people might be delusional, or would you think they are?
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