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VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)

Ancient Pagans

As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]

Mission

Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

Crusades (1095-1291)

First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
[WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". [WW41]
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
Crusades (1095-1291)
- Estimated totals:
  - Wertham: 1,000,000
  - Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the
    Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]
  - Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000
- Individual Events:
  - Davies: Crusaders killed up to 8,000 Jews in Rhineland
  - Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in
    Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.
  - Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6
    - 1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].
    - Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems
    - 1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.
    - 50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.
    - 1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.
    - Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.
    - Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks
    - Richard the Lionhearted executes 3,000 Moslem POWs.
    - 1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.
    - Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.
    - [TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]
  - Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/]
    - Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197
  - Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost
    a total of 3,600 in battle.
    - 1st C (1096-99): 400
    - 2nd C (1147-49): 750
    - 3rd C (1189-91): 930
    - 4th C (1202-04): 120
    - 5th C (1228-29): 600
    - 7th C (1248-54): 700
  - James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)
    - 1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced
      Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.
    - 1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. "Most" lost to
      starv./disease/battle.
    - 1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.
    - 1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and
      desertions in campaign vs Antioch.
    - 1212: Children's Crusade loses some 50,000.
    - [TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around
      650,000.]
- TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out
  the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam ("Pluralitas non est
  ponenda sine necessitate"), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M
  deaths in the Crusades.

Heretics and Atheists

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic
neighbors and friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324.
[WW183]
Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other follwers were also executed. [KM]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.

Witches

From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.
In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
[WV]
Incomplete list of documented cases:
The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times

Religious Wars

15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops, "a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broad-brimmed Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]
1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]

Jews

Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.Number of Jews slain unknown.
In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]
1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
[MM470-476]
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]

(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.

Native Peoples

Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.
Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued: _{"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]}
Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]
On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and Spanish raids.
As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." [SH83]
The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]
"And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).
"When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead."
[SH95]

Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of America.

Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]
In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no
choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War." The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.
When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20)
Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents". [SH114]
Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119]
The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'." [SH115]
Other tribes were to follow the same path.
Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!" [TA]
Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'." [SH106]
In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107]
In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'." [SH115]
To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about
30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.
All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.
A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.

More Glorious Events in U.S. History

Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'."
[SH244]

20th Century Church Atrocities

Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar -
orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
nothing to prevent them. [MV]
Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters; the Viet Minh; - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - ; mostly in street riots ; - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life.
Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two Catholic priests - with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Würzburg - additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of them
fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was notorious for it's extensive witch burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:
More recently the BBC aired:
As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end.

If today Christians talk to me about morality, this is why they make me sick.

References

[DA]

K.Deschner, Abermals krähte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962.

[DO]

K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987.

[EC]

P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985.

[EJ]

S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977.

[HA]

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[KM]

Schröder-Kappus, E., Wagner, W., Michael Sattler. Ein Märtyrer in
Rottenburg, Tübingen, TVT Media 1992.

[LI]

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[MM]

M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People.

[MV]

A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
See also
V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo NY, 1992.

[NC]

J.T.Noonan, Contraception: A History of its Treatment by the Catholic
Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992.

[S2]

Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00.

[SH]

D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.

[SP]

German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996.

[TA]

A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have Hapned in
the Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England, London 1676.

[TG]

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[WW]

H.Wollschläger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zürich
1973.
(This is in german and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is
the best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of original
medieval Christian chroniclers' writings).

[WV]

Estimates on the number of executed witches:

N.Cohn, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch
Hunt, Frogmore 1976, 253.
R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New
York 1959, 180.
J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954,
56.

this excellent article was reposted from: here

Also see
'Thus Saith the LORD'

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63 Comments:

Anonymous wrote:

you are talking about 2 different things here, chritianity and catholics..to get it straight catholics are not christians.

posted: March 14, 2006 EST

.:webmaster:. wrote:

I so want to comment here.

Nevermind...

posted: March 14, 2006 EST

freeman wrote:

anonymous,
As a former catholic and (praise be jezbus) a former christian, what do you mean?

EVERYTHING you believe originated from the catholic mythology!

posted: March 14, 2006 EST

Hankmeister wrote:

"Remove the log from your eye before trying to remove the speck from your brother's" Jesus

It would do atheists, seculars and liberal socialists some good to acknowledge that the biggest murderers of all time have been atheists and secular governments. R.J. Rummel, a pacifist himself, documented the mind-boggling murders of secular/atheistic governments and political movements. You can find his research and documentary links here.

It gets rather tiresome hearing the same ol' spew which tries to lump modern Christian evangelicals with what the Roman Catholic church did six hundred or a thousand years ago. How about you exChristians, seculars and atheists taking some responsibility for what your philosophical socialist brethren have done in the name of secular government thoughout the 20th Century...you know, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc.

And I bet you'll resort to plausible deniability of saying "we're not like them" which is far more of a stretch than modern Christians rightly pointing out you can't condemn us or the Church of Jesus Christ for what Catholics did centuries ago when these massive secular/atheistic pogroms happened within the last century. Hypocrites.

posted: March 24, 2006 EST

.:webmaster:. wrote:

Government is not my messsiah. But regardless of what some despots have done, or called themselves, I still deny Christianity as being the magical world transforming power it claims to be. History also denies it.

May the joy of the Lard fill your soul, Hammy.

posted: March 24, 2006 EST

Michelle wrote:

Of course, those murders happened because they catholics are not "true christians." So we can just sweep all that atrocity under the rug because, thank god, the true christians are finally here!

Well, where were you guys when all this stuff was going on? Maybe you could provide historical documentation about how the "true christians" were fighting to protect the lives of natives, pagans, witches, etc. The only religious group I'm aware of that started helping any oppressed people were the Quakers, but that was for helping African-American slaves escape to freedom. But Quakers are not true christians, so they don't count, right?

My knowledge of history is spotty, so perhaps you can provide me with contrary evidence that "christians" had been the champion of the oppressed for the last 2000 years. In my church-going days, I don't seem to recall hearing any stories about how the "true christians" stood up for anybody. Maybe they had, but the lord decided it was a better thing to allow these massacres to happen so that the catholics would look bad. ("It's all them damn catholics' fault!")

I look forward to hearing about all those true christian heroes! I'm sure there were plenty. :)

posted: April 06, 2006 EST

heathen sister wrote:

Hankmeister:

Hitler was a xian.

Remember what he did to jews.......in the name of xianity thinly disguised as politics.

posted: April 06, 2006 EST

Anonymous wrote:

I would disagree, catholics are christians just as christians are christians. I would have to ex-communicate mormoms, or the church of latter day saints, but only because their gospel has no relation to christ.

This website is complete crud for those of you who feel empowered by such loonatic observations. Has any christian claimed superatural authority over sin. Absolutly not. We have all fallen short.

The Bible is divine in origin and it is perfect without flaw. Unfortunatly we are not as perfect as the original. And Mankind has perverted this book from the beginning of time.

And just a hint, dont argue the christian... Argue Christ. But then your left hopeless.

May God bless you and deliver you.

posted: June 28, 2006 EST

Anonymous wrote:

"We have all fallen short."

Who wrote that phrase?

I wonder did you get that out of the 6000 year old bible?

Gee you sure are so smart!

Tell us more stupid nonsense that you're repeated out of the liebull.

posted: June 28, 2006 EST

Anonymous wrote:

Your right, but only now when you can acknowledge the validity and the authenticity of a book that we call the Bible. It stood the test of time and stands the test of time.

I have no idea were your motivation arises from. Can you enlighten me, i would reform myself if i found it neccesary and of worth. Sadly, all i hear is man's pity, all i hear is a cry of wandering, all i hear is empty testimonies of people who found the words of Christ burdonsome.

Please inspire me, im a good listener.

posted: June 29, 2006 EST

.:webmaster:. wrote:

"...im a good listener."

Then please listen to this: click on the "Other" radio button and make up a pseudonym other than anonymous when you post.

posted: June 30, 2006 EST

vital wrote:

Well ill be hear, only if you have something to say.

posted: June 30, 2006 EST

boomSLANG wrote:

Vital, pleeze tell us how u no that jesus is reel? Let's start from their. kool?

posted: June 30, 2006 EST

vital wrote:

Well thats kind of stupid. All jews acknoledge the existence of a man named Jesus. He was real indeed as it has be recoreded throughtout time. Ive never heard such irrational propositions, stating the non-existence of Jesus. Perhaps we are agueing the identity of Christ. I see Jesus, an ordinary man who lived in the herodian era as a man who revealed Himself God-like. There is no question that he existed. Who is Jesus a man fooled by Himself, a false prophet, one who lied or presented Himself as a lier? I see Jesus Christ as the Messiah, for both jew and getile alike, coming in flesh and renewing mankind.

posted: July 04, 2006 EST

.:webmaster:. wrote:

Actually, Vital, there is no absolute agreement on the existence of Jesus. Even those who think a man named Jesus might have existed, aren't absolutely sure of the time when he existed.

However, I could be wrong. Please post the references that demonstrate that nearly all authorities agree that there was such a man as Jesus.

posted: July 04, 2006 EST

vital wrote:

Referencing... Ok... Im sure there is more than enough data to prove the existence of Jesus because he was crucified by the roman official named Pilot. Honestly, i wouldnt know how denounce the existence or the non-existence of Christ. There is an overwhelming majority that acknowledge the existence of Jesus. I find it a useless argument to argue the existence of Jesus, these are apparent truths that cannot be shacken.

posted: July 04, 2006 EST

.:webmaster:. wrote:

Okay Vital. Since you're sure about your facts, could you please provide references. Being sure means knowing how to reference and support your statements. Simply stating "I think" isn't very convincing.

How old are you?

posted: July 04, 2006 EST

Sadhu wrote:

Based on history, the figures quoted on this site are either realistic approximations or undeniable, historical facts.

Unfortunately, we have not learned much from history. The senseless killing in the name of religion as well as in the name of various political doctrines goes on. In fact, any medium that justifies killing is welcome in today's world, just like it was centuries ago.

Inquisition practices like rewards for informants of suspects or torture are being revived and legalized right in front of our eyes.

Wars are fought, based on lies and mass deception and the civil rights of most people in this world are nothing but a hypocritical farce. Anyone can be discredited, persecuted, tortured or killed by any government at any time and any place.

While various religious and atheistic cults are busy accusing each other, the global slaughter house is booming in front of everyone's eyes...and the most amazing thing of all is...that hardly anyone does anything about it...and EVERYONE thinks he's right and innocent and as long as his own personal freedom is not taken away, everything's more or less ok.

Rational solutions? Who's interested in those anyways?!

So, lets just go on and whitewash our conscience by accusing everyone who does not share our own dogmatic belief...while remaining in denial and while remaining gullible and willing puppets in the hands of unscrupulous cult leaders in the name of religion or overt atheism.

If people are offered the choice between truly understanding the problem and working on solutions or arguing and fighting, the vast majority opt for the latter.

In summary, I consider this site an important one but most important to me are those people who are dedicated to working on positive solutions.

posted: September 29, 2006 EST

Agkelos wrote:

Having taken several History classes, I am fairly certain that the statistics on this page are correct.

I also know that Christianity is not the only religion in the world with a high body count.

Organized religion as a whole is to blame for the deaths of millions. "If some one does not share your beliefs, kill them." Or in our more "modern" society "ridicule, mock, judge and hate them." It all boils down to the same thing.
The average human being cannot bear to stand alone in anything. A king, governor, or representative cannot share a different view than the majority of his people. If he a dishonest person he'll claim that he follows the majority, if he is stupid or cruel he will force his beliefs upon his people. If he is brave he'll say it is none of your business what my personal beliefs are... have yours and I will have mine. Unfortunately, the masses will not allow the latter of these options. In America we will not elect a man who is not a Christian or at least claims to be. That is sad and immoral.
As a Christian you are charged to "worship no other god before me" however, the Bible states nowhere in it's pages that no other gods exist.
The passage "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is nowhere to be found in the original Hebrew text it says instead "suffer not those who would use their arts to harm". Now tell me where the "witch" comes into that statement? I don't see it. Arts could mean doctor, lawyer, politician, mother, butcher, baker, candlestick maker!
And by the way, for all those out there who swear by the King James Version of the Bible. King James changed passages in the Bible so that he could get a divorce. Just thought I'd mention that.
Now. If you are a Christian and have studied your faith extensively and believe in its precepts, I applaud you. You have taken an active part in the maintenance of your soul. For those of you who believe in Christianity because your pastor told you to, read a book or ten and find out what your religion is REALLY about before you go trying to convert some one else. Be devoted to your God, not devided against one another and others. "Judge not lest ye be judged", remember. It is not your place nor is it your RIGHT to tell some one else they are wrong in their faith. Leave those of us who follow other Gods to our worship and we will leave you to yours. Leave each other to your worships and stop squabbling over denominations. Who is to say "the IS" does not speak to each soul differently? We are all individuals after all and whatever or whomever made us, made us that way for a reason. We ARE NOT SHEEP! Be kind to one another, be tolerant of those who are different, and follow your own path. Be brave and walk alone, others will join you along the way. Just be careful you don't hold them at gun point should they wish to depart from you some where later on.
To hate someone who does not share your beliefs makes you a hypocrite.

posted: November 03, 2006 EST

Agkelos wrote:

Also in response to the existence or non-existence of Jesus: Does it matter?

Jesus was named a man of great works and kindnesses. He was supposed to have given hope to a vast number of people.

If you throw out all the crap in the Bible you come down to the basic DUH! statement. "BE GOOD TO ONE ANOTHER! WE ARE ALL EQUAL!" And he died to make that point. I think with the vast majority of Christians he failed miserably and would probably weep bitterly to see the state his teachings have come to.

Throw Jesus out the window and you still have Christianity's 10 Commandments. Obvious laws all.
In the times they were written the 10 commandments were things that would get you killed or worse if you did them.

The rest of the book doesn't matter, the rituals don't matter, the who said what's don't matter. It's a simple concept that millions have died over. Now that's ironic for you isn't it. Be nice to me or I'll kill you. How does that work exactly? Believe what I believe or I'll hate you. Right. K.

Better go back and look those basics over again. If your a Christian, their your commandments, follow them or find another religion. Norse for instance allows for the slaughter of all your foes in honorable battle and Odin will love you for it. (that was joke BTW. No offense meant to all you Odinists out there and I know you exist I know two of you personally.)

posted: November 03, 2006 EST

Agkelos wrote:

In response to anonymous comment 3/14/06 12:52pm. Catholics are Christians. Anyone who follows the teachings of CHRIST is a CHRISTIAN.

That includes the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints as well AND the Mormons. Arguing semantics does no one any good.

See "stop arguing over denominations" comment in earlier post.

posted: November 03, 2006 EST

Jim Arvo wrote:

Anonymous,

I'm afraid I haven't the time to respond to the bulk of your comments, so I'll simply pick a few items that might lead to further discussion.

1) You mention the short passage by Tacitus in his Annals. You are probably aware that the passage is dubious as evidence of Jesus for the simple reason that Tacitus likely obtained the information from secondary (e.g. Christian) sources. If so, this simply verifies the existence of the cult at that time as well as one of their core beliefs (neither of which is in dispute). This is supported by the fact that Tacitus misidentifies Pontius Pilate as "procurator", and he does not mention Jesus by name, both unlikely if his source had been the Roman archives, for example.

2) Do you deny that millions of people have been slaughtered under the banner of Christianity? Even if non-Christians have killed more in the past 2,000 years (which seems unlikely to me, but it's a possibility), does that absolve Christianity? Do you deny that the Bible portrays many such slaughters as being god's will? If so, on what basis do you deny that the perpetrators were Christians, as many professed to be?

3) You accuse us of being bigots. That's a term I occasionally use for Christian visitors here. Let's see if we can agree on what a bigot is before we discuss who deserves that label. In my view, a bigot is a person who makes disparaging remarks that are intended to include an entire class of people solely on the basis of religious convictions, ethnicity, race, political affiliation, gender, age, sexual orientation, etc. Does that sound reasonable to you? Now, I do not claim that Christians as a class should be denigrated. Every sufficiently large group of people will include both exemplary and not-so-exemplary individuals. I've met Christians who are bright, honest, and open-minded, and I've met some who are not. It's the latter whom I often have heated debates with. From your post it seems you have something to say about non-Christians, or at least those at this site, as a group. Is that a fair statement? Would you care to clarify that and contrast it with bigotry?

4) You said "You'd have to be daft or obtuse to think our founding leaders were deists". Some were Deists and some were Christians. Many expressed an intense distaste for Christianity in their personal correspondences. Do you deny that? Jefferson went so far as to edit out all the objectionable portions of the Bible. (Those were the Bibles he distributed, by the way.) Read Paine's "The Age of Reason," then tell me if you think he was a Christian. Our constitution makes no mention of Jesus or Christianity, despite the objections of the founding fathers who were Christians. Wisely (I think), the founders kept supernatural references to an absolute minimum, and kept it rather generic at that (e.g. "Creator" not "God"). We can thank the deists among them for that.

5) You said "That fear you have is of letting God take the primary spotlight in your life instead of you." To be clear, who is the "you" in that sentence intended to include? In any case, surely you will admit that you are merely offering a conjecture here, right?

posted: November 27, 2006 EST

Anonymous wrote:

U fucking weak people just believe in something that does not exist! GOD DOES NOT EXIST! damnitdamnit You are weak! Try to think on ur own and for yourself!
Only the strong will Prosper!
Only the strong will Conquer!

jort

posted: March 26, 2007 EST

Prescott E. Small wrote:

In god We Trust?

Do “we”?

I know I don’t, therefore the definition of “we” is defeated.

As much as I hate to quote my dad (because that implies he was right about something) I have to give credit where credit is due when it was my dad that told me “Trust is something that is earned, not given.”

So, for the record; Dad, you were and are right.

I, like many Americans, watch or read the news every day. I feel that I can safely say that 99% of the time there is something in the news where some person is declaring their “trust” in god because it was he that saved a life or took that life for some inexplicable reason. “God works in mysterious ways.”

We can probably agree on that.

What I fail to comprehend is why this trust exist.

If trust is something that is earned, then how can any person of faith or reason Trust in God.

Being that Trust is earned, and lost much faster that it is earned. I am certain that I could effectively cite tens of thousands of incidents where “acts of god” would be considered untrustworthy.

For example; An act of god caused a Tsunami that killed 100,000 people today. That is horrible, yet immediately dismissed as God has a purpose and works in mysterious ways.

Now take the exact same principle, but reveal it be a human; A man today set off a nuclear weapon in the ocean that created a Tsunami that killed 100,000 people today.

That would be an act of pure evil and nearly every person on the planet would see it as an act of evil and mass murder.

This is what I find confusing; 100,000 people are dead. In either scenario there is a clear path of blame and guilt plus the clear intent to commit mass murder. Yet one is evil and the other is divine, heavenly intervention.

Now it is no secret that I do not believe in god or subscribe to any of the mythologies that plague our planet. I am an avid reader of history, both human and natural.

There are numerous natural events that have exterminated far more life on this planet than any human could ever achieve. However there have been dozens of humans that have done their absolute best to exterminate as many fellow humans as was physically possible.

Though Hitler has a large body count, it pales in comparison to the those piled up by the popes of history. Hitler was easily responsible for killing more than 6 million.

But compared to the popes, he was an amateur. Seriously, Hitler had Automatic weapons, trains, radios, telephones and horseless carriages. He had brought the assembly line into play for the purpose of mass murder. While that is horrific he was far more technologically advanced than the popes of the dark ages.

Now think of Pope Pious, the inventor of the phrase 'Kill them all, God will know his own' This SAINT, was directly responsible for the mass murder of over 1 million. He did this in an age of no electricity, horse drawn wagons and primitive blunt weapons. He killed 1/6th as many people as Hitler in time when it took 20 times the effort to do the killing. He did it all in the name of god, because he trusted god.

God, if he exists, allowed this to happen, in his name. He is just as guilty as the get away drive from a bank robbery.

That is only one of thousands of examples in which god has shown a complete breech of trust.

So if trust is earned, god has a lot of work to do in order to get it back. He has spent thousands of years screwing up beyond even his wildest imagination. He will have to work twice as hard to get it back.

And he has made no progress as of late. As recently as 1984 we had Catholic Priests and Nuns participating in the mass murder of the Tutsi in Rwanda by gun and machete. They even murdered those that came to their church to seek safety and shelter! They actively participated in the systematic face to face murder of nearly 2 million men, women and children.

Where was god then? Off somewhere doing “mysterious work” no doubt.

A while back I ran through the book Holy Horrors with a calculator and with very little effort I came up with a staggering number of people murdered in the name of god, the majority by those that are now called “saints”.

The number was 36,000,000.

If god exists then he should be imprisoned in the bowels of hell for all of eternity. After all, Thou shall not kill.

Also “In God We Trust” should be removed from anything and everything, for trust is lost far more easily than it is earned and there is no way that trust has been earned.

Also, let us not forget that a point needs to be made here about the major and most significant accomplices of these acts of genocide.

The Catholic church owes the world an immense apology. The Vatican should show shame for it alleged saints that have such huge body counts. Either they should be consistent and declare Adolf Hitler a saint or they should posthumously revoke the sainthood of every mass murdering pope, excommunicate them, cremate their remains and scatter their ashes on unholy ground while condemning them to eternity in hell where they belong.

The Catholic Church needs to admit their participation and acts of endorsement of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi’s. They are just a guilty in that genocide. They had a chance to make a difference, yet became willing participants for their share of the gold.

The Catholic Church should melt down all of it’s gold and silver, sell all of it’s treasure and start feeding and clothing the poor that they have spent centuries taking advantage of and enslaving with guilt while the priest live in gilded palaces and their followers starve and die of disease and poverty.

The Catholic Church is the perfect example of hypocrisy and evil, It is the Rome of old, just with a new name.

According to these people man was made in the image of God, Since our acts define us, so do his acts define him; god is obviously evil, therefore look to the mirror – there is the face of evil, the face of god.

posted: April 17, 2007 EST

Jonathan wrote:

I found this web site to be very distressing because I know it's all true. If even half of these facts & figures are incorrect, it still amounts to countless millions murdered "for God". What I see happening today by Muslims "for Allah" is not very different, just 300 years late. Just because Catholics committed similar crimes three centuries ago, and are now "civilized", makes them any better than crazy Muslim psychos murdering people around the world today.

I agree with many of Prescott's
statements, and yet I believe in God and have faith in Jesus Christ. I am not Catholic, i.e. I don't endorse a murderous organization of evil. The "Bible" is not what Catholics read, they have their own bible--as do Mormons, Scientologists, and other false religions, er, corporations.

What I find most disturbing is how evil the human race is. We are absolutely without hope and will utterly destroy ourselves. It is inevitable. Human beings are too stupid to survive without murdering ourselves. But, blaming God is misplaced, because God doesn't cause evil. Evil is part of life on Earth, and is not caused or prevented by God. That God allows indescribably violent sins to be committed against innocents is to misunderstand the nature of God. Sin causes horrible death and destruction. Human nature causes this. God hates sin and especially "hands that shed innocent blood". Those that commit heinous crimes against humanity in the name of their god are acting on their own, not with holy blessings.

So, why does God allow countless murders to be committed throughout history, even in "his" name? Einstein struggled with that great question. The answer is...God IS directly involved in the lives of His people, believers (not members of organized corporations masquerading as "religions") but the vast majority of humanity is rife with sin and uncontrollable. God does not CAUSE terrible things to happen.

Those who follow the teachings of Jesus understand--those who are humble, giving up self, forgiving others, loving God, returning love for hatred, praying for those who are abusive and filled with anger or hatred. These are fruits of the spirit which reveal a believer's true nature. God deals with individuals, on an individual basis, not with masses. God is personal. Those who claim to follow Jesus will obey his commandments. Obviously, none of the murderers listed on this web site were truly Christian, but using false religion as an excuse to commit mass murder.

Anyone who expresses the fruit of the spirit in his or her life does not need to proselatize, for anyone who sees the testimony of such a person will WANT that kind of inner peace and that is the true teaching of Jesus Christ. "Convert or die" is the mantra of Catholics and Muslims. It's a shame the word "Christian" has been so confused and abused to the point of it being a useless word.

posted: June 06, 2007 EST

.:webmaster:. wrote:

Catholics most certainly do read the same Bible as Protestants.

Protestants also persecuted to death those who disagreed with them.

The killing of un-believers started in the first centuries of Christianity. There was no Roman Catholic Church back then.

"Obviously, none of the murderers listed on this web site were truly Christian, but using false religion as an excuse to commit mass murder."

Yes, yes... with one brush you your hand, 2,000 years of Christian history is made irrelevant because they weren't "True Christians™." Did you you know John Calvin had a man burned at the stake for heresy? Did you know that Martin Luther advocated harshly persecuting Jews? Did you know the Reformation in England caused all out war and horrific persecution of Catholics? Do you know your history at all?

There is another option to consider here. It just could be that Christianity is a ridiculous man made religious cult just like all the other so-called religions on the planet.

That is something to consider, you know.

posted: June 06, 2007 EST

pinchas wrote:

former xtian missionary of 20 years here.
the internet has brought us the access to information that has made it possible for all of us to learn the historic roots of xtianity. the result has been a mass exodus away from this filthy and corrupt religious system. it is based on lies and is dishonest and false to its very core. do your homework...study and search for yourselves. gather the evidence and then do the truthful and honest thing and abandon this sickening religion.
the only faithfulness we owe is to the ONE Creator.

posted: July 01, 2007 EST

Astreja wrote:

Pinchas, interesting comments.

But which "creator"? The Dagda? Enki? Ptah? Oðinn, Vili and Ve?

posted: July 02, 2007 EST

Anonymous wrote:

Hitler USED Christianity at least--if not he was a Christian himself, he was greatly influenced by Martin Luther (leader of Protestant Reformation) -as was ALL Of Germany, who wrote the HORRIFIC HATEFUL 'On Jews and thier lies" 3 yrs before his death, which OUTLINED in vivid detail ALL of the things Hitler DID. Look it up for yourselves, visit a Holocast Museum-go to the Florida Holocausts Museam on the web and so a search for this. This Phamlet was distributed again during Hitler's Reign. But dont' trust your Christian Church to tell you these things, they are completely embarrased by it, most are completey IGNORANT of their own History. You also will not find this information listed on most Christian sites when you do a search for Luther's work, they omit this phamlet. While still calling him a Hero, completely disgraceful. The Luthern Church even gave an official apology not too long ago for Luther's Hate, this particular writing, and his contribution to the Hate of Jewsih people--and the Futute Holocaust. It said to run them out of the country, to burn their synogoges down, He used scripture to say they were Vipers and snakes, Completely filled with Hate.

posted: July 27, 2007 EST

THE REAL CHRIST REPRESENTER wrote:

THIS SITE IS A BUNCH OF CRAP FOR THE SAKE OF ALL CHRISTIANS OR "EX CHRISTIANS" TAKE THIS GARBAGE OFF YOU KNOW CHRISTIANITY IS THE WAY YOU JUST DONT WANT TO FOLLOW PRINCIPLES BECAUSE OF YOUR SINFUL WAYS

posted: August 30, 2007 EST

Dewey wrote:

THIS SITE IS A BUNCH OF THERAPY, FOR THE SAKE OF ALL CHRISTIANS OR "EX CHRISTIANS", SHOW THEIR GARBAGE, YOU KNOW CHRISTIANITY IS POLITICAL, YOU JUST DONT WANT TO FOLLOW RATIONAL PRINCIPLES BECAUSE OF YOUR SCRIPTURAL WAYS

posted: August 30, 2007 EST

Anonymous wrote:

Seem to forget many here that Christ himself once said, "not all who calls 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". So the article doesn't bother me much. Trying to judge past histories with today's ridiculous "political correctness" is misinformation.

posted: October 08, 2007 EST

Anonymous wrote:

Another myth that I must challenge: that Christianity "destroyed" the knowledge of ancient Greece and Rome and pushed us into the Middle Ages. Of course Gibbons say something like that in his monumental "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". Even if it was true, and obviously I admit Christianity did push out the paganism of those days, people seem to forget the moral, social, economic, political and spiritual decline the Roman Empire of the west went through after the death of Diocletian. True Constantine did have a part of it. And also the emperor Ambrosius the Great. But let us not kid ourselves in blaming "Christianity" for it. There were many more factors involved. May I add the abandonment of the ancient Greek philosophers and their teachings, Aristotles, Plato, Socrates and the Romans Cicero and Marcus Aurelius as one of the main reasons? And the coming of Barbarians? So don't blame Christianity only? And I see something similar today with the advancing of Islam and the corruption of Western civilization?

posted: October 08, 2007 EST

Anonymous wrote:

This is so idiotic and stupid that Protestants claim Catholics are not Christians. hahaha. YOU ARE ALL WORSHIPPERS OF JESUS THE CHRIST, THAT MAKES YOU ALL CHRISTIANS. The Catholics were the first Christians organized by Constantine, you simply came along later, but are still insipid morons. Without the influences of modernity and secular movements that improved humanity from the animal origins from which we sprang, "Christians" would be as barbarous and murderous as they always have been. Anyone or group that can point to another and say "I got the truth, pal, and you don't, so you should die," is a sham. The real Jesus would be horrified and recrucified by your ilk as he was then by the same types: the "religious" people of the day who were the literalists and missers-of-the point of the entirety of Jesus teachings.

posted: October 21, 2007 EST

Anonymous wrote:

And the point of this article is...? The fact of the matter is if the Bible and Christianity are all elaborate lies why do you bother trying to discredit them? In today's modern world things are much different than the time of Christ or even a hundred years ago. The reason you try to discredit faith in Christ is because you do not agree with it, and that is your perogitive, but you are not going to be successful. People have tried to slander God, the Bible and Christ since man's beginning and they are still trying, because in all of that time their efforts have failed. We do not sit here and debate whether Hitler's motives and teachings were evil and empty because they proved that in themselves, as have all such things, but the Bible stands. True it can not be in your pre-requisite factually proven (i.e. "show me") but it can not be factually disproven either which is why anyone who has done their research and educated themselves on the Bible at least knows the "Religion" is based on faith. Many of the instances you point out are a result of the mis-interpretation of the Bible or of false teachings spread by self proclaimed "Christians" but who in fact were not even close to what a true Christian should be. There has only been one true Christian, Jesus, who met all the standards to the letter. Every other Human being only tries to be a Christian in the sense that they emitate Christ, a task at which we all can not ultimately acheive till we are with Him in Heaven. Thank you and God Bless!

posted: October 29, 2007 EST

boomSLANG wrote:

Anonymous # 4,583,398 said:

The fact of the matter is if the Bible and Christianity are all elaborate lies why do you bother trying to discredit them?

Simple---because unsupported beliefs that condone, promote, and enable barbaric and unethical behavior(s) have no place in modern civilized society, and thus, they should be discredited. Mind you, this doesn't take away anyone's right to go right on believing exactly they want to believe. That fact that liberal and moderate Christians go right on believing in Christianity, while on the other hand, ignoring, circumventing, or weasle-wording the absurdities that their bible cleary demands of them, is evidence that the bible is not any sort of objective, or "Universal" truth. The fact is, most Chrisitans are not "True Christians"...that is to say, Christians according to the bible.

Anony' continues: In today's modern world things are much different than the time of Christ or even a hundred years ago

Precisely!!!....which is why the unchanging dogma of religious convictions has no place in a modern ever-changing world. Good job!

Anony': True it can not be in your pre-requisite factually proven (i.e. "show me") but it can not be factually disproven either which is why anyone who has done their research and educated themselves on the Bible at least knows the "Religion" is based on faith.

It cannot be "factually disproven" that invisible pixies don't live in your clothes hamper, either. SO? Nor can it be "factually disproven" that Allah is not the almight creator of the universe. Again, SO? Does that mean that Allah is said creator? Of course not. Please educate yourself on the "burden of proof" for future discussions. Thanks.

Anony': Many of the instances you point out are a result of the mis-interpretation of the Bible or of false teachings spread by self proclaimed "Christians" but who in fact were not even close to what a true Christian should be. There has only been one true Christian, Jesus, who met all the standards to the letter.

Good grief!...what, on earth, bible have you been reading? "Jesus", according to the most popular and alleged reliable source for Jesus' teachings, many times portrays him to be an immature, jealous, murderous, vindictive bully. That said, please define "True Christian", and delineate cleary, where this criteria comes from. Thanks.

Anony': Thank you and God Bless

Namaste!..and may reason find you.

posted: October 29, 2007 EST

Anonymous wrote:

1. The Roman Empire was bloodthirsty regardless of the accepted religion. Christianity simply failed to make them any less bloodthirsty than they were when the Caesars were the "gods" conquoring the world.

2. The *vast* majority of military acts in the Crusades were in direct *response* to Muslim attack. The Christians whose ancestors a thousand years ago were Roman/Pagan/Jewish/Proto-Arab didn't want to hear from the Muslims about how they didn't (despite a couple thousand years of claim) have any right to be there. The massacre at Jerusalem was to the Crusades what Me Lai was to Viet Nam...and I picked a morally "grey" modern war for a reason. However, the fact remains that the Crusades were almost exclusively *reactionary* attacks (meaning they got hit first). I suppose you *could* say these Christians failed to turn the other cheek, but then again, why should they *have* to?

3. Why is it politically incorrect to lump *all* Muslims together, or assume every Chinese citizen is a commie, or hate all Koreans, or assume the Germans are all still Nazis ... but *every* Christian has to get lumped together under the bloody flag of those who've historically done an epically piss poor job of emulating Jesus?

4. Know what you get when you Google "Muslims killed" ? -- you get stories about Muslims killing people.

By contrast, when you Google "Christians killed" you get stories about Christians being killed (usually by Muslims these days, historically mostly by Muslims in general)...and you get this site.

Kinda sad commentary on your site, really.

posted: November 06, 2007 EST

.:webmaster:. wrote:

Thanks for the typically Christian comment, anonymous.

Have a nice day.

posted: November 06, 2007 EST

seamus breathnach wrote:

First of all , let me congratulate you on your site. Of course, everything is not included, but the enormity of the violence spawned by Christianity is unmeasurable. Since its inception, it has served to destroy.

One of your correspondents writes:

"And the point of this article is...? The fact of the matter is if the Bible and Christianity are all elaborate lies why do you bother trying to discredit them? In today's modern world things are much different than the time of Christ or even a hundred years ago. The reason you try to discredit faith in Christ is because you do not agree with it, and that is your perogitive, but you are not going to be successful."

Why one bothers with lies is to stop them in their tracks. Most people know that this is self-evident. People try to prevent the dissemination of lies -- lies that the Catholic church delights to spread and thereby reduce people to a subservient role.

Hiding behind the notion that every view that is contrary to either the Universal Church or the Infallible One is an attack on Christ, is hardly the point. But since our correspondent confers the right of having a different opinion on those who do differ, let me say that in my experience Christians -- especially Catholics in a Catholic country -- will not allow anyone to have an opinion but theres.

Indeed, if WW11 was to be characterised in a few phrases, they would ,to my mind, reflect the resistance of the Atheist to the Catholic Church's role in the Spanish Civil War, the Catholic Church's deal with Mussolini, and the Christian Chruch's inspiration of Hitler. When all those millions and million of people resisted Nazism, in my opinion the apex of Christian anti-history, they tried to make space for Europeans to cast off the intolerance of the Inquisition. The whole war was an attempt to allow Atheists in Europe, the brightest and the best, to live in their own land without being made berufsverboten by the Popes.

That is -- or was -- the proud heritage of every post-WW11 European, the live and let live generation of the sixties, people who felt that they need not organise again against the bete noir of the Falangists, the Blue Shirts, the Black Shirts and the Brown Shirts of Christian Nazism.

The last two Popes have threatened that heritage.

I hear it everywhere! The Jihad is back!

If they win the peace, Europe will be like America. Fo