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At Mikey Weinstein's home in the suburbs of Albuquerque, the picture window in the living room has been twice shot out. Sometimes Weinstein opens his front door to find dead animals on his porch, feces smeared on his walls, or slashes in his tires. Men have called to threaten his daughter, women to chant rhymes about shooting him in the head, small children to inform him that he will burn in hell. To his critics, he says, "Take a number, pack a picnic lunch, and stand in line." He's not going anywhere, and neither is his 5'6" ex-Marine security guard, Shorty.

Weinstein is the middle rung in three generations of soldiers. A former Air Force JAG and White House attorney for Ronald Reagan, he has adopted a shock-and-awe approach to battling efforts by the military to impress Christianity upon American soldiers. "We have the Christian Taliban and the Christian Al Qaeda inside our military," says Weinstein, the founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, "and they really have WMD, unlike Saddam."

An amateur pugilist with shoulders like a butcher block and a head like a cannonball, he several times challenged evangelical minister Ted Haggard to a boxing match. (Haggard declined.) His adversaries call him, to his great delight, "The Field General of the Godless Armies of Satan," though his friends prefer nicknames like "Ticktock" and "Motor Mouth." During one of his trademark rapid-fire, profanity-laced diatribes, he proclaimed, "Our job here is to kick ass, take names, and leave sucking chest wounds on the people who are trying to engage the machinery of the state to push their biblical worldview." To allies who suggest that perhaps Weinstein should appoint someone more diplomatic to lead the foundation, he offers, "First they will have to prove to me that what we are engaged in is a polite exchange of views" with right-wing Christians, "instead of a bloody battle that only ends with the last person standing."

Weinstein is certain that fundamentalists will stop at nothing to transform the United States military into an army of God. He notes that Officers Christian Fellowship, with chapters in every major U.S. military installation in the world, envisions—and here he quotes its mission statement—a "spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform, empowered by the Holy Spirit." The group has helped boost fundamentalist Christianity among the armed forces from a negligible presence 20 years ago to a faith currently held by 30 percent of U.S. soldiers, according to Weinstein. He adds that many of those soldiers—hardcore end-timers and Dominionists—desperately want America to invade Iran, thereby triggering the biblical prophecy of the Rapture.

This summer he uncovered plans by the Pentagon to ship "freedom packages" to soldiers in Iraq that were to contain Bibles, proselytizing material in English and Arabic, and Left Behind: Eternal Forces, a video game inspired by post-Rapture novels in which "soldiers for Christ" hunt enemies who look suspiciously like U.N. peacekeepers. Partly due to Weinstein's efforts, the packages were never sent. "It's not just the Holocaust or the inquisition or the pogroms or the nine—count 'em: nine—crusades," Weinstein cautions. "It's everything that's happened since then. Whenever a virulent form of any faith has engaged the machinery of the state, in the words of the U.S. Supreme Court, we have ended up with tidal waves of blood."

And so Weinstein is laying sand bags. He has fielded more than 6,000 complaints from soldiers who claim to have been persecuted by Christian evangelicals; 95 percent of the complaints come from mainstream Christians. Tipsters helped him catch uniformed military officers publicly endorsing an evangelical group and ferret out an anti-Semitic Bible study guide on an army base website. In September, he shunted many of the complaints into a massive lawsuit against the Department of Defense. His lead plaintiff, U.S. Army Specialist Jeremy Hall, alleges that a major at Iraq's Speicher base threatened to block his reenlistment in the Army in retaliation for organizing a meeting of atheists.

A then-Democrat, now-Republican who represented Reagan during the Iran-contra affair, Weinstein criticizes the former president for creating an opening for evangelical Christians in the military, but excoriates George W. Bush for dropping the floodgates. Bush, he says, is a "suboptimal human being." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation's supporters include refugees of the Bush years such as David Iglesias (one of the U.S. attorneys dismissed this year) and Ambassador Joe Wilson (husband of outed CIA operative Valerie Plame). "A lot of the anecdotal evidence that Mikey told me I found very troubling from a constitutional perspective," said Iglesias, who is an evangelical Christian. Wilson cites security implications: "They are proselytizing not on behalf of the Constitution of the United States and the national security interests of our country," he said, "but rather on behalf of some sort of fanatical view of end times. And they are using our army to affect that."

For Weinstein, the battle has been personal from the start. In 1973, during his freshman year at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, he repeatedly found anonymous anti-Semitic notes in his dorm room. He had nearly forgotten the experience when his son, Curtis, entered the Air Force Academy in 2003 and discovered that strains of anti-Semitism had metastasized. (By then Colorado Springs had come to be known as the "Vatican of the Religious Right" for its concentration of evangelicals.) Cadets and officers targeted Curtis Weinstein on eight or nine separate occasions during his freshman year with anti-Jewish remarks. During a football game, an upperclassman reportedly asked, "How does it make you feel to know that you killed Jesus Christ?"

That year Mikey Weinstein tried to work with the academy's leadership to reform its religious culture, but he faced disinterest from high-ranking Generals. That's when he gave up on diplomacy and launched the foundation. It began as a two-person operation in 2005 run out of his home. (He currently employs the equivalent of 25 full-time workers.) Due to his agitating that year, the air force investigated the Colorado Springs academy and substantiated many of the foundation's early findings: Football coach Fisher DeBerry had hung a "Team Jesus" banner in a locker room; Brigadier General Johnny Weida had taught a class a "J for Jesus" hand signal; and 250 faculty members and officers had signed a campus newspaper advertisement declaring, "We believe that Jesus Christ is the only real hope in the world."

Since then, the academy has created a mandatory training session on religious sensitivity, a cadet interfaith council, and a religious pamphlet for commanders. Still, Weinstein says, it has spawned a generation or more of evangelical Christians who promote their faith with impunity in the Air Force at large. Take the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, which he claims makes the academy look like the ACLU. Reportedly, at a mandatory retirement ceremony, a lieutenant colonel opened a Bible at the podium and used the occasion to conduct a sermon. (A spokesperson for the base did not respond to a request for comment.)

Weinstein continues his aggressive fight. In October, he returned to the Air Force Academy and delivered the invocation at his 30th class reunion. As he began speaking, a classmate stood up and screamed, "Jesus Christ!" Weinstein just kept talking. This month his foes discovered that he'd held a fundraiser for the foundation at the Los Angeles home of activist Jodie Evans. A few days after, Evans received a bomb threat in the mail. Weinstein long ago stopped believing that evangelicals in the military will grow more tolerant or less militant when faced with calm talk and logical reasoning. The Constitution is the only weapon there is against them, he says, and he has faith that it's a powerful one. "If you don't agree with me," he often scoffs, "then tell it to the judge."



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Blogger fjell said...
"The Field General of the Godless Armies of Satan"

Imagine that on a T shirt.

fjell


Anonymous thewrathofdog said...
I'm sure it makes some people feel better, but as an eight-year military veteran (active duty,) I always found the idea of religiosity-in-uniform to be ludicrous.

The idea is to defend our country and our way of life using violence. Say we bomb a city, hit an elementary school and kill hundreds of kids. God sanctions it? Maybe if his name is Rudolf Höss or Karl Otto Koch. Maybe.

Take a look at 9-11. Does anyone think that that horror was really sanctioned by God, apart from a mob of idiotic, mindless religious maniacs?

At one time in my life I'd have considered "religion in the military" to be an oxymoron coined by an omnimoron. Not now-- now I just see it as hypocritical.


Anonymous Ryan said...
This sort of thing is almost impossible for me to believe. 25th Division; Cu Chi; Vietnam, and we were the most godless pack of mutts you ever saw. We never said jesus except when the shells came in.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
"spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform, empowered by the Holy Spirit."

If god is really almighty and powerful, then why does he need people to do the killing for him? This deity always seems to ask for people's help when it comes to money and murder eh?


Anonymous Dave, not the WM said...
About 2 months ago I started working as a contractor on an Army base. Having worked in a corporate environment for over 30 years, I was amazed at the display of religious materials in some individual's personal space. In a corporate environment, these displays are not tolerated. So far I've been mostly isolated from the government personnel, but I expect that to change over time and it should be interesting to see what I find. On a side note, I'm already sick and tired of listening to the civilian government employees talk endlessly about their future retirement.


Anonymous AtheistToothFairy said...
Anonymous wrote:
If god is really almighty and powerful, then why does he need people to do the killing for him? This deity always seems to ask for people's help when it comes to money and murder eh?
---
Anonymous (who I wish had a name),

You bring up a point that I often wondered myself.

All throughout the bible, humans battle each other and yet we never see this powerful god helping in the fighting.
Worse yet, in one OT case this god lost a battle because the human enemy had "chariots made of iron".
How is it possible for such a god to ever lose a battle with humans?

I guess that explains how the devil got the control he did, as god had problems with mere human enemies, so I guess the rebellious devil was too much for god to kill off.

If god is suppose to have breathed life into all humans, then how hard could it possibly be for this same god to just take that life giving breath away from his enemies.
No swords or chariots of iron needed then.

Gosh, maybe this all-everything god lost his recipe for the 'breath removal spell', hmmm.
So ex-xtians, not to worry then about god taking your breath away anytime soon.
Perhaps he also forgot to stoke the fires of hell to, and now the flame is out.


ATF (who wonders why this god of ALL humans, was always on the side of one 'particular' group of humans throughout the OT)


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
ATF Said:
"Worse yet, in one OT case this god lost a battle because the human enemy had "chariots made of iron".
How is it possible for such a god to ever lose a battle with humans?"

Maybe "Iron" is a weakness for god, just like "Kryptonite" is a weakness for Superman.

(CSCWS tries to picture a young Jesus Christ working for Jerusalem's Newspaper called,"The Daily Universal Kingdom".)


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
Instead of going into a Phone Booth to strip off his clothes, Jesus went into a tomb and then 3 days later, he came out with his "GOD" suit on.

I could see it now. A white cloth outfit with a giant "G" on the middle of his chest.

He's off to do battle with his evil nemesis, "Lucifier Luthor" who is trying to take over the world.


Anonymous AtheistToothFairy said...
Can't Spell Christ Without Shit wrote:
Maybe "Iron" is a weakness for god, just like "Kryptonite" is a weakness for Superman.

Well CSCWS,
I think you might have discovered what really killed this Jesus now.
Maybe it was the IRON in the nails used on the cross, that was the real cause of his demise.

I could see it now. A white cloth outfit with a giant "G" on the middle of his chest

This would also explain how he was able to FLY back to heaven I suppose.
I wonder if jesus had an appropriate cape as well?


ATF (who is also wondering why it took jesus '3' days to change into his super hero outfit)


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
ATF Said:
"I think you might have discovered what really killed this Jesus now.
Maybe it was the IRON in the nails used on the cross, that was the real cause of his demise."

ROTFLMAO!!!! I never would've even thought of that one ATF. That is a pretty good point. You are probably right.

ATF Said:
"I wonder if jesus had an appropriate cape as well?"

I think he had his robe only.

ATF Said:
"ATF (who is also wondering why it took jesus '3' days to change into his super hero outfit)"

He had to wait inside of his crystal fortress (which was inside of his tomb) to receive it from his heavenly father after his training was done.


Blogger Astreja said...
ATF: Maybe it was the IRON in the nails used on the cross, that was the real cause of his demise.

Occam's Razor does a great job, too. ;-)


Anonymous Anonymous said...
did you know that in the roughly 100 years of societies formed on aethistic thought that those atheist societies actually killed more people than any other group in the entire history of the world that includes more people than even the most exagerated claims of people the Christian Church is accused of killing in its 2,000 year history.


Anonymous R. Black said...
<.retarded accent>Dad yo no tha hiler was a athee-ist, and dat it sad so on troopa uniferms? Yeah, it sad "fer gad" in latun.<./retarded accent>


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am absolutely sure that the "more deaths in 100 years" thing had nothing to do with the advancement of super weapons that can kill people more efficiently than ever before. No nothing at all. It was pure idealism that did all those people in. I wonder when all those non theist, democratic countries in Europe are going to start doing people in with their non theist life choices.


Anonymous AtheistToothFairy said...
Astreja wrote:
Occam's Razor does a great job, too. ;-)

So ummm Astreja, what you're saying is that it was the IRON content in the "razor" they used to shave jesus, that did him in?

What a shame someone goofed and used 'Occam's' razor instead of Jesus's very own god-created razor.

Just can't trust them Roman soldiers for nothing.

ATF (who will eventually figure out what actually killed this jesus superhero)


Anonymous AtheistToothFairy said...
Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...

ATF had said...Maybe it was the IRON in the nails used on the cross, that was the real cause of his demise."

ROTFLMAO!!!! I never would've even thought of that one ATF. That is a pretty good point. You are probably right

Well let's think about it this way....

The discovery of Iron was a form of technology in those days.
Most fundies seem to think that science and technology comes straight from the Devil.
Therefore, one must conclude that the invention of iron was the devil's doing and so it makes sense that any product of the devil would naturally harm our divine super-hero.
Dang those scientific types for their ungodly inventions.

I bet jesus also didn't eat meat, because of it's iron content.

ATF Said:
"I wonder if jesus had an appropriate cape as well?"

I think he had his robe only.


Robe...Cape, not all that different really.
How hard would it be for the daddy-god to change a robe into a fashionable superhero cape, right.
Heck, if jesus could do the Water into 'Whine' thing, I'm sure that daddy god could make a cape from a robe.


ATF (who is guessing that jesus probably never tried magnet-therapy for his aching feet either)


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
ATF Said:
"Robe...Cape, not all that different really.
How hard would it be for the daddy-god to change a robe into a fashionable superhero cape, right.
Heck, if jesus could do the Water into 'Whine' thing, I'm sure that daddy god could make a cape from a robe"

The reason why it took so long for Jesus' daddy to complete his training and give him his "Super Hero" robe was because he had to remain in his Crystal Fortress (Tomb) for 3 days as a suspension for questioning his father by asking on the cross, "Father, why have thou forsaken me?"


Anonymous AtheistToothFairy said...
Can't Spell Christ Without Shit wrote:

The reason why it took so long for Jesus' daddy to complete his training and give him his "Super Hero" robe was because he had to remain in his Crystal Fortress (Tomb) for 3 days as a suspension for questioning his father by asking on the cross, "Father, why have thou forsaken me?"

Ohhhh, so Daddy god gave his son a sort of Time-Out then, yes?

Good thing daddy god wasn't going by his OT rules, or he would have had to kill his son all over again, for being disrespectful to him while on that cross.

I also guess the reason no one recognized jesus after daddy let him out of the tomb, was because they never saw him in his super hero costume before.

ATF (who will get to the bottom of this super hero mystery yet)


Anonymous thewrathofdog said...
The chariots of iron thing is interesting, but how about the battle against the Moabites? The latter were about to lose to God's Chosen, when the Moabite king, in sheer desperation, made a sacrifice to the god Chemosh (a solar deity) by burning his son atop the city wall.

The Hebrews, and by extension their God, LOST.

Gee, the All-Mighty God wasn't mighty enough to defeat the powers of another god, evidently.


Anonymous AtheistToothFairy said...
thewrathofdog wrote:
The latter were about to lose to God's Chosen, when the Moabite king, in sheer desperation, made a sacrifice to the god Chemosh (a solar deity) by burning his son atop the city wall

Well wrath',
That explains it then.

The Chemosh sun-god was pitted against the xtain sun-god, and the xtian god couldn't stand the heat and ran for cooler shores.

But seriously, I do find your example most interesting, indeed!!

Any xtians out there want to try and explain how your god can lose a battle?????

ATF (who wonders if marc or dan will explain this one to us)


Anonymous Mandy said...
I think we should start wearing led necklaces around our necks to keep God away.

Maybe it will keep people like Dan and Mark away too.


Anonymous Mandy said...
I meant to say "Iron Necklaces" duh!

Sorry, I had a blonde moment. lol!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
To "anonymous" from December 2:

I have been reading this sort of joke for years, and whenever I do, I laugh harder. Your god--the god you borrowed from jew barbarians--loves bloodshed. Read your fucking bible. It will do you no good to try to put sandals and hippie beads on him and say "oh look, he's a god of peace". Bullshit.

You think that your god is nicer because his worshippers have killed less people? What the fuck sense does that make? The best you can say is that, at least, we aren't as bad as those atheists. Do you sit in your church and congratulate each other, "at least, we haven't been as bad as nazis". If you kill 100 people, and I kill 50, am I better than you?

For your edification, the atheistic societies you refer to made similar mistakes: they tried to replace god with ideology. It does not work. When one becomes an atheist, one has to have the insides to face a universe without meaning. There is no "master race" or "revolution" or any such thing. There is just us. We choose what we do and how we live.

I am a peaceful sort of guy. People like me. Women and children like me. But if every atheist in the world was a serial killer, a serial rapist, and sold heroin to children, I would still be an atheist.

Ryan


Anonymous Anonymous said...
did you know that in the roughly 100 years of societies formed on aethistic thought that those atheist societies actually killed more people than any other group in the entire history of the world that includes more people than even the most exagerated claims of people the Christian Church is accused of killing in its 2,000 year history.

This is such a bogus comparison. There have been nutjob/dictators who just happened to be atheist but no 'societies' of atheists who shared/share a common belief of anarchy and destruction like your comment implies.

Here's a little thought experiment for you:

If there was no god to judge you or to punish you, no afterlife of reward or punishment, how would your behavior change? Would you start stealing? Lying at whatever opportunity presented itself? Cheat on your spouse? Would you have sex with minors? Are you only behaving in a 'moral' fashion because a 'god' is watching? Or, for all I know, you could be doing these things even if you do believe in a god--Christians and other believers act in immoral ways all the time.

Tell me, exactly, just how a belief in god produces moral behavior. Also, you might want to address the other complex conundrums like why a god that gives its creation a moral directive that guides them would sit back as they use each other as slaves. Or take on concubines. Or marry children.

Sophia


Anonymous trancelation said...
Nothing can be said that has not been said already. Replacing an ideological society with another ideological society does not an atheist society make. Atheism strictly means *without theism*, and treating one man (or a group of men) like gods is nothing if not theistic. Every society that Christians claim is atheistic has done exactly this. Hitler, Pol Pot, mao, and others all considered themselves gods, with holy purposes and divine natures, and sogutht to enforce these views on others. They have done nothing that the Christian church had not done already.

REAL atheist societies, as has been pointed out, have the highest employment rates, lowest crime rates and lowest death rates IN THE WORLD. Studies have shown that in areas of the world where religion is most prevalent, CRIME is most prevalent.

So please, Anonymous Christians . . . go fuck yourselves. Go fuck yourselves in order to appease yourselves and sacrifice yourselves to yourselves to save yourselves from yourselves. It's what Jesus would do.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
To elaborate just a bit on trancelation's post: xianity, by all reports, is dying out in Europe. In most European countries, gays and lesbians enjoy equal rights, and drugs, prostitution and pornography are freely available. And in these countries, compared to the "xristian" US, there are longer life spans;lower infant mortality; less crime; less mental illness; less cancer; less heart attacks; less ulcers; less poverty and no illiteracy. Facts and figures are available from the United Nations and the World Health Organization. Your congressman will give you addresses and phone numbers, and I think, emails.

And now for the amusement of all: google up to "jesusneverexisted". On the right-hand margin, click "Theory and Practice of Torture". You will find descriptions of xristian torture devices, complete with drawings. Are we not glad that we do not live under xristian theocracy?

Have fun.

Ryan


Anonymous Phant said...
Trancelation Said:
"So please, Anonymous Christians . . . go fuck yourselves. Go fuck yourselves in order to appease yourselves and sacrifice yourselves to yourselves to save yourselves from yourselves. It's what Jesus would do"

I'm all for both Christians and Muslims sacrificing themselves. If all of the christians & Muslims kill themselves (Or each other), there might be less bigotry in the world.

When christians say "God Bless America" what they actually mean is:

"God Bless The Moral Majority" and "God Damn Anyone who is not a christian".

That's really what Christians mean.


Blogger twincats said...
Mikey Weinstein is a true American hero.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
"How does it feel to know that you killed Jesus Christ?"

Historically, crucifixition was an entirely a Roman practice, not a Jewish form of execution. But the early Christians shifted the blame to the Jews, because they wanted to convert the Roman masses.

For the last 2,000 years the "Christ killer' accusation has caused some of the worst Anti-semitism with crusades, pogroms, forced conversions, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, and even today Jews are often subject to Anti-semitic attacks because of this accusation.

However, as an ex-Christian, who now thinks for himself, there is something I find strange and bizarre with horrible accusation: the center belief of Christianity is that God had to sacrfice one-third of himself to appease his own anger. So according the the Christian's own beliefs, someone had to do crucifying of Jesus Christ, so that the Christians themselves could have their salvation and go to their heaven.

Therefore, instead of hating and persecuting the Jews, shouldn't Christians, instead, thank the Jews for killing Jesus!?

Anyway, hurrah, hurrah for Mikey Weinstein! I want to live in the democracy our Founding Fathers intended our nation to be, not a Christian, Muslim, or any kind of a theocracy!


Anonymous Phant said...
"How does it feel to know that you killed Jesus Christ?"

How does it feel to know that you killed all of Ted Bundy and Charles Manson's victims?

You say you didn't kill them? Nor did I kill Christ since I was born 2,000 years after his crucifixion. How can you kill someone when you weren't even here at the time?

Since God chose to commit suicide by having himself crucified, I think christians should follow his example also by killing themselves.

Maybe by having himself crucified that was God's grand plan on how to get rid of bigots. Just teach them how to commit suicide.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have never seen so much hate in one place. You are really a coureageous bunch. You gather in these little newsgroups and hate, slander and brag about it. If you understood anything, you'd know that Jesus is about humbleness, love and obedience to a wise and great God, a power for good in this universe. You take a dishonest preacher and you paint the entire faith as evil and you use vulgar language and then you believe yourselves to be good? That is just more proof that the bible contains the truth because it describes those very things that you do. As for your friend with crap smeared on his door, no true Christian did that, posuedo believers may have or he may have himself, but no one that believes Jesus words would hate him or any of you. I trust God and leave the judgement to him. Rememer, it's not about your relationship to a preacher, it's about you realtionship to God.
Peace,
Kevin


Blogger stronger now said...
Kevin:"I have never seen so much hate in one place."

You have, obviously, never been to church.

"You are really a coureageous bunch. You gather in these little newsgroups and hate, slander and brag about it."

No that would be the christians comeing onto our site doing those things.

"If you understood anything, you'd know that Jesus is about humbleness, love and obedience to a wise and great God, a power for good in this universe."

You must be joking. The biblegod is a barbaric, bloodthirsty, malevolent, genocidal asshole. Not to mention crazy and confusing.

Try actually reading the bible, all of it, not just the lovey-dovey parts that you only seem to pay attention to.

"You take a dishonest preacher and you paint the entire faith as evil and you use vulgar language and then you believe yourselves to be good?"

Well no. We have taken the whole of your faith and determined by experience and study that it is a force for evil and human subjugation. We see ourselves as survivors of your cult, and therefore have elevated ourselves above the backwardness and stupidity that you still dwell in.

"That is just more proof that the bible contains the truth because it describes those very things that you do."

The bible contains some truth. Like when it speaks of there being people, animals, and dirt ect.. ect.. But it could hardly be considered all true, especially the parts that claim to be the spoken words of a deity.

As for your friend with crap smeared on his door, no true Christian did that..."

Would they have murdered him and his whole family like the biblegod in the OT calls for, or would a "true Christian" just ignore that part of the bible as well?

"...posuedo believers may have or he may have himself, but no one that believes Jesus words would hate him or any of you."

You must admit that your jebus said to hate a lot of people in order to be a follower of him.(luke 14:26) Or are you ignoring that as well?

"I trust God and leave the judgement to him."

BULLSHIT!!! Remember that you said that we were haters, slanderers and braggarts. Liar!

"Rememer, it's not about your relationship to a preacher, it's about you realtionship to God."

Please explain how one can have a relationship with a fictional character.

Kevin, you need a reality check. If you wish to have an imaginary friend, go right ahead, but if you wan't us to think it is anything other than imaginary, bring some credible evidence.


Blogger Jim Arvo said...
Kevin said "I have never seen so much hate in one place."

I can think of worse ways to start a dialog, but not many. On what do you base your accusation of "hate"? Do you mean to include everybody here?

Kevin continues "You gather in these little newsgroups and hate, slander and brag about it."

I suspect it's far easier for you to vilify us than to engage in discussion. Have you any desire to gain an accurate picture of who you are addressing?

Kevin: "If you understood anything, you'd know that Jesus is about humbleness, love and obedience to a wise and great God, a power for good in this universe."

That is a theological position, not an undisputed fact. You are welcome to believe as you wish, and we are fully entitled to reject ideas that appear to be based on little more than wishful thinking and special pleading.

Kevin: "You take a dishonest preacher and you paint the entire faith as evil and you use vulgar language and then you believe yourselves to be good?"

Can you put down that broad brush or yours for a moment? Nobody here is committing the fallacy of generalization by insisting that all Christians behave similarly. It is Christians who claim that the "Holy Spirit" effects transformations in people. To the extent that Christians appear to be no different in their predilections than the general population, the special status of Christians loses credibility.

Kevin: "I trust God and leave the judgement to him...."

As Stronger Now already pointed out, you've been exceedingly judgmental. If you'd like to start over, please feel free. I'll address you with civility if you do likewise.


Anonymous GLBT Advocate said...
Kevin,

You claim all this crap about how loving and accepting your truth is. Tell that to people who are gay that people like you continue to alienate and persecute. You christians have a lot of gall accusing others!

You sir, are a hypocrite, so don't come onto this site with your bigoted lies, and holier than thou attitude. Your actions say other wise.

Anyone who believes that innocent humans deserve to burn in hell all because they don't believe in your god is completely insane.

Thanks for reminding me why I fight against people like you and against your cause. Another Bigot strikes again.


Anonymous GLBT Advocate said...
Kevin,

You claim all this crap about how loving and accepting your truth is. Tell that to people who are gay that people like you continue to alienate and persecute. You christians have a lot of gall accusing others!

You sir, are a hypocrite, so don't come onto this site with your bigoted lies, and holier than thou attitude. Your actions say other wise.

Anyone who believes that innocent humans deserve to burn in hell all because they don't believe in your god is completely insane.

Thanks for reminding me why I fight against people like you and against your cause. Another Bigot strikes again.


Anonymous Phant said...
Kevin,

Go whine and cry somewhere else. You are pathetic.


Anonymous We are being invaded said...
What's up with the recent invasion of "Christian Trolls"?

Does it have anything to do with the upcoming holiday "Xmas" perhaps?


Blogger stronger now said...
"What's up with the recent invasion of "Christian Trolls"?"

The christian trolls are REVOLTING!!!


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