"All this is going to do is make us stronger and make us realize that the devil is out there to try to destroy us."

Funny... the 'devil' always seems to use the preacher's own dick when he wants to destroy 'us'.

"here we are because the pastor supposedly did something and I don't believe he did."

You stupid, blind Jebus freaks can choose to believe that he didn't do anything if you want. You idiots seem to have almost cornered the market on unreasonable, fucked-up shit that you believe without a grip on reality.

Ho-hum. Just another day in the fucking circus known as FundyWorld. Fuck this guy, his idiot sheeple that let him keep his job and the imaginary god-ghostie that once again fell asleep at the wheel and let another holy man fuck up.

Bringing in the sheep,
bringing in the sheep,
we shall come rejoicing
bringing in the sheep.

My first reaction was; "These poor saps will hold their noses and keep on swallowing..". Then I thought that maybe this was the "straw" for someone in this group. These events do have an accumutative effect on people that are just about ready to face the truth. I hope this helps to break the spell for someone.

Yeh, Christians have it covered no matter what! If they commit a crime, they can say "The devil made me do it." If they commit an atrocity -- like the inquisition or crusades or ethnic cleansing -- they can say they are killing in the name of the Lord, Jesus Christ! If they nuke Iran, they'll say that they are just fulfilling bible Prophecy in Revelations!

AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a bit unusual since these guys usually have a smorgasbord of women to pick from among their own flock.

That's why you never see pastors or priests on "To Catch a Predator."

Pastor Ron himself will preach that on the pulpit, that everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes including himself

That's a lovely sentiment. I'm sure they feel the same way about the unsaved. Oh wait...for us it is "Burn in hell sinner!"

This is so wrong! as an ex-cop, sometimes i smell a mob mentality amongst these "forgivers" that could easily escalate into condoning murder, as long as it was justified as the righteous & holy thing to do at the time. talk about lemmings! even when i was a full blown fundie, when something got just to way out of hand, i had the balls to take a stand against it. gee, maybe that's why i never made the grade as a christian; i wasn't able to conform to the point of "letting go & let god"! To let any religion, belief, hobby, etc. so control your life to the point of defending it to the death, whether right or wrong is more than brainwashing or cultish; you have agreed to become a martyr for your master.
Fortunately when i left religion, it wasn't because i was a "disgruntled employee", i simply never did like god or trust that the bible was real. This website has been my "daily bread" & thank you Dave for all the people you have helped and gotten together for our cause.

He should've stuck to pastorbation.

Bumbersticker: MASTURBATE--your pastor does.

So, when a Christian does "good" it's because of the transforming power of Christ in their lives, and when they do "bad" it's because the feisty devil managed to get one past the guards?

Is this suggestion perhaps the very poster boy for unfalsifiability?

fjell

and when they do "bad" it's because the feisty devil managed to get one past the guards?

Adding to that, when you consider they believe people who are not "saved" (which is most of the population) follow Satan, that Satan is credited with hijacking all sorts of human history and behavior, that he's responsible for atheism, communism, evolution and planting fossils (yes...I've actually heard that one from a student)...well, all I can say is it looks like Satan pretty much punked god.

"These events do have an accumulative effect on people that are just about ready to face the truth"

Interesting. What is the truth, if I may ask?

David said:

"Interesting. What is the truth, if I may ask?"

How about the truth that their pastor is a hypocritical, deceitful “man of the cloth”? Just another example how christianity makes one a better person. NOT!

Who wants to lay odds that this man of god gets caught again? Any takers?

Bet the prostitute is looked at as pure evil at that church. But thats hyprocracy for ya.

Sandra

Sandra,

The "prostitute" was an undercover cop. I don't think anyone is giving her a hard time, except possibly some members of this guy's church.

Ahh, you guys are horrible. You're trying to disprove Christianity on the basis of sinners. Nicely done.

Quote - That's a lovely sentiment. I'm sure they feel the same way about the unsaved. Oh wait...for us it is "Burn in hell sinner!"

This is not the view of a true Christian. We would much rather hold out our hand to you, even at the risk of being spit on, to try to save your soul. True Christians are taught not to judge. Jesus himself was known to hang out with unbelievers and sinners. Doesn't mean he was one of them.

Quote - Ho-hum. Just another day in the fucking circus known as FundyWorld. Fuck this guy, his idiot sheeple that let him keep his job and the imaginary god-ghostie that once again fell asleep at the wheel and let another holy man fuck up.

At the wheel? So God is supposed to "steer" our lives? We're born with free will. We're taught to turn this will over to Jesus. Obviously, this pastor failed.

Tell me something. As a candidate for, let's say president, would you try to persuade those that are for your opponent to join you, or those that you know are already going to vote for you? Is it really a surprise that these pastors that are so weak in their faith do such things? Does it not make sense to go after the most powerful point of your opposition with the most heinous thing you could think of to cause a downfall of the opposing party?

Quote - If they commit an atrocity -- like the inquisition or crusades or ethnic cleansing -- they can say they are killing in the name of the Lord, Jesus Christ! If they nuke Iran, they'll say that they are just fulfilling bible Prophecy in Revelations!

The problem with "Christians" today is exactly what you guys are pointing out; but that's just it, it's a problem, not real Christianity. You can point out bad things "Christians" do all day, but the Bible has already said this would happen. Thanks for further proving the foresight that's contained in the Bible, guys. You were predicted, you were prophesied, and you have proven yourselves. I don't condemn you; I condemn the devil you're being swayed by. Please don't take offense. Jesus loves you (regardless).

Oh goody. Another "True Christian™" has joined the discussion.

It's just amazing how many completely different kinds of "True Christian™" are out there. And it's intriguing how many "True Christians™" accuse other "True Christians™" of not being TRUE "True Christians™."

Truly.

Prove Christianity wrong? Christians have been calling Christians liars since the beginning of Christianity. Why does anyone else need to make a comment.

Cute tag, family name?

webmaster said: //Oh goody. Another "True Christian™" has joined the discussion.//

i did not know that webmaster can become that much happy with coming of TRUE true christians.

well, anyway, i am curious who i am. ha ha...

ChibiQ, since your "god" is not detectable in the physical world, all we have to go on is the behaviour of people who declare themselves to be Christians. Much as you try to disown your fellow travellers in Christianity, I fear that you're stuck with them.

"You can point out bad things "Christians" do all day, but the Bible has already said this would happen."

People have been doing bad things (and good ones, too) for as long as there have been people. It doesn't take much imagination at all to write "...and people will do baaaad things!!!" into an alleged holy book. If that's your idea of 'prophesy', you really do need to get out more.

The sun will rise again! And, sometime tomorrow morning Your Time, you will see that I, too, can play at being a prophet.

well, anyway, i am curious who i am. ha ha...

You are an empty can that is difficult at times to understand.

ChibiQ states:

True Christians are taught not to judge.

In a comment that starts with:

Ahh, you guys are horrible.

Ahh, yes! The internal consistancy of a True Christian.

Spot on, kjaere Astreja, spot on. The unfalsifiability of Christian doctrine seems to truly know no bounds.

My point is: in what way does the act of someone scrawling, "even Christians will do bad things," in the Bible help verify the Bible's metaphysical claims?

I don't know about you, but to me this sort of caveat looks like nothing more than the early Church being intelligent enough to try and cover the asses of their successors in advance.

Wouldn't it look that way even to Christians if the book in question were any other but the Bible?

fjell

thanks, webmaster. good shot. ha ha...

Anyway, i am glad that you, now, are more concerned about who is true christian but not about destroying christianity. It's a nice development. So Dan did an awesome job for that. I, empty can, admit that i did not know the deeper wisdom of him. ha ha...

ChibiQ said:

"Ahh, you guys are horrible. You're trying to disprove Christianity on the basis of sinners. Nicely done."

Not just sinners. TRUE Christians, too. And we use evidence, of course. We don't discriminate. We refute christians falsehoods and hypocrisy in any way we can, my little young earth creationist.

"This is not the view of a true Christian. We would much rather hold out our hand to you, even at the risk of being spit on, to try to save your soul. True Christians are taught not to judge. Jesus himself was known to hang out with unbelievers and sinners. Doesn't mean he was one of them."

Do you really care about our souls? I think not. My guess is you want to score brownie points with your god. Also, as has already been pointed out to you, you may have been TAUGHT not to judge, but you darn sure do.

"At the wheel? So God is supposed to "steer" our lives? We're born with free will. We're taught to turn this will over to Jesus. Obviously, this pastor failed."

Obviously. This pastor's failure is just one small part of the gigantic failure that is christianity. Indeed, the only thing christianity excels at (besides deception) is convincing people that they are worthless scumbags, undeserving of anything. Your bible violates its own teachings. It says don't say to your brother "Raca" (worthless), yet it would have every person believe they are worthless if they don't subscribe to the christian myth. It then tells believers they are worthless, too...the only difference being that god is willing to tolerate them because they have agreed to kiss his royal backside and stroke his royal ego for eternity.

"Tell me something. As a candidate for, let's say president, would you try to persuade those that are for your opponent to join you, or those that you know are already going to vote for you? Is it really a surprise that these pastors that are so weak in their faith do such things? Does it not make sense to go after the most powerful point of your opposition with the most heinous thing you could think of to cause a downfall of the opposing party?"

Keep your friend's close, but your enemies closer? Your point?

"The problem with "Christians" today is exactly what you guys are pointing out; but that's just it, it's a problem, not real Christianity. You can point out bad things "Christians" do all day, but the Bible has already said this would happen. Thanks for further proving the foresight that's contained in the Bible, guys. You were predicted, you were prophesied, and you have proven yourselves. I don't condemn you; I condemn the devil you're being swayed by. Please don't take offense. Jesus loves you (regardless)."

Remind me again on what authority you can claim to know "true" christianity. Also, there is no foresight in the bible...only revisionism (making it say what you want, based on your own values) mixed with desperate, wishful thinking to form an even greater logical mess than was there to begin with that is, by the way, simply WRITHING with inconsistencies and out-right contradictions. You can justify or refute any action you want with the bible. It's a sham, man...a sham.

Tell me, if you can...this devil that you condemn...at what point did he enter into christian theology as the entity that christians now accept him to be?

trumpeter wrote: “Anyway, i am glad that you [webmaster], now, are more concerned about who is true christian but not about destroying christianity. It's a nice development. So Dan did an awesome job for that. I, empty can, admit that i did not know the deeper wisdom of him. ha ha...” [bold added]

@Webmaster: Please tell me, Trumpeter is either joking or making this up out of thin air, right? %(

Hoisted by One’s Own Petard Department: If it weren’t for upstanding True Christians™ such as Pastor Ron, prostitution probably wouldn’t be illegal in the first place. Ouch, that’s gotta huuurt!

Trumpeter has been around this site as EmptyCan for several months. He is not a native English speaker. As best I can tell, he is oriental, Buddhist, and displays an odd and difficult to follow sense of humor.

To be blunt, I have no idea what he's talking about most of the time or what point he is trying to make now.

webmaster,

i am glad people are so much interested in me. ha ha...

i am from korea. but i am not buddhist. i am christian.

I guess maybe when you understand what i say you maybe find peace. ha ha...

^^ Some one needs 4 pops of Seroquel STAT!

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