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Reposted from the Freethought Cafe by J.C. Samuelson

As has been previously documented, the war on the "War on Christmas" continues to be one of the major seasonal pillars of religious activism in this country. In prosecuting this so-called war, however, religious groups frequently resort to distortions or outright lies in order to further promote a persecution complex among their religious constituency. As before, the American Family Association (AFA) is among those leading the propaganda campaign.

The headline of an action item on the AFA website reads, "Federal government tells 85-year-old grandmother she cannot put an angel on Christmas tree." Having thus provoked our sense of fairness, righteous indignation begins to swell and brows furrow picturing grandma being preyed upon by jackbooted (but otherwise smartly dressed) government officials. The Feds must have surreptitiously implemented legislation governing how private citizens may decorate for the holidays.

Of course, this isn't really what happened. This is a not-so-subtle straw man that serves as a focal point for stirring the pot.

According to the AFA article, the Plant City Living Center reports that the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) directed a ban on "any religious symbols or religious words associated with Christmas." This refers to an email dated October 29th which reads (in part):

Any religious symbols or religious words associated with Christmas should not be used. For example, the following items should not be on display: nativity scene (or any of the people represented in the nativity scene alone or together), the Star of David, angels, etc. This means no angel on your Christmas tree either.


The article also alleges that Christmas parties cannot be termed as such. This refers to a section in the email that contains the sentence, "[T]o be on the safe side you can always call them 'Holiday' parties." Moreover, the article alleges that these restrictions effectively banned the Center's tradition of having a Hanging of the Greens and Christmas party hosted by a Sunday School class from a nearby church, and says that the federal government has become "increasingly active in banning Christianity from the public square," citing the removal of certain words and phrases from monuments and ceremonies.

In reading the referenced email, however, we find that the AFA has again made much ado about nothing. Although the Fair Housing Act, Title VIII (42 U.S.C. 3601) does place limitations on religious displays in common areas - a fact acknowledged by the article - it places no limitations on what a person may do in the privacy of their own homes. Indeed, the AFA conveniently ignores this fact, leaving out the section of the referenced email that reads:

This decorating information applies to all common areas, including but not limited to: hallways, offices, community rooms, entrances, etc. Keep in mind that residents are free to decorate their apartments, as well as the exterior door to their apartment...however they wish.


It's clear from this one paragraph that concerns about residents' rights to express their religious faith during the holiday season are simply unfounded. If grandma wants to hang a crucifix, a wall-mounted nativity scene, angels, or other type of religious symbol on her door outside her apartment to express her religious convictions during Christmas, that's just dandy. If she wants to plant an angel at the top of her own tree, that's fine too. To be sure, she may not be allowed to place a tree with religious decorations out in the hall, but is that really a crisis of religious freedom?

With respect to the other allegation, that Christmas parties can't be called "Christmas" parties, this is false as well. The following is the relevant section of the email, this time in context:

Christmas dinners, parties, and get-togethers are acceptable. If your community does something like this, it must be open to all residents and be made widely known that all residents regardless of religious affiliation are invited to attend. To be on the safe side you can always call them "Holiday" parties.


Note that calling them Christmas parties is not at all prohibited. Instead, property managers are given the discretion to call them what they like, based on the desires of their communities. The suggestion to call them "Holiday" parties is a cautionary option, not a directive as the AFA alleged. In fact, the law says nothing of the sort with respect to religious activities.

Since we're on the subject, let's take a look at what the law actually says. According to HUD, the relevant restrictions appear to fall under the prohibition against advertising or making any statement that "indicates a limitation or preference based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status, or handicap." In other words, no one gets preference. The idea is to keep common areas of public dwellings religiously neutral. In a pluralistic society, that makes perfect sense. Which is, of course, why the AFA objects.

Interestingly enough, the law grants special permission to religious organizations, associations, and societies, along with nonprofit organizations with religious affiliations to discriminate on a religious basis. That is, under the Fair Housing Act, a church, ministry organization, or other religious entity that owns property can choose to give preferential treatment to those who share their convictions, and in fact can refuse to deal equitably with those who don't.

To put it bluntly, some religious groups (including the AFA) want to be able to discriminate at will and hamstring the rights of those who don't believe as they do, but cry foul at the merest hint that religious freedom is being infringed upon.

Returning to the issue, what about the Hanging of the Greens event? Well, it does seem clear from the email that the angel-mounting part of the ceremony might have to be left out. However, this isn't necessarily clear from reading the Federal Housing Act. Perhaps this is an example of an overly cautious application of the law. Yet even if this is the correct application, the traditional party is hardly banned. The Sunday School class is still permitted to hold the event (even calling it a Christmas party), and instead might elect to mount another tree-topping decoration, such as a star. Even with its traditional Christian association with the Star of Bethlehem, certainly it's ambiguous enough to be permissible.

The bottom line is that the AFA is once again guilty of sensationalism, distortion, and substituting blatant falsehoods for facts. By perpetuating the myth of Christian persecution in America, they are able to mobilize their base to act in favor of a continued or increasingly special place for their faith in the public arena. Clearly, to some Christians, its worthwhile to bear false witness in order to manufacture controversy as long as the desired outcome is achieved.

Then again, is anyone surprised?

Stay tuned.
 
Anonymous Jeff P said...
JC yet another great post. Having lived in Salt Lake City for 15 years, it was all about the "persecution" of the Mormon faith. Now living in Texas, it's all about the persecution of "good Christian folk." The perpetuation of the persecution myth seems to be a necessary ingredient for the survival of the dogma.

It’s always amazing to me to sit around a group and hear people’s conversations move toward “well, they just want to try to annihilate Christianity” and then I look around and there’s a church on every other corner, a set of 10 commandments sitting on the Texas Capital grounds, “In God we Trust” reminding me each time I spend my money, “One nation under God” at every swim meet I attend with my son, and most recently a unanimous vote by the Texas legislature to include “Under God” in the Texas pledge of allegiance. Not to mention about every other SUV has a Jesus fish pasted to the back of it.


Blogger twincats said...
Yup, here we go again! The Christers want the season all to themselves and don't want to share. They will fudge, quote mine and outright lie to get what they want, which is preferential treatment for their fairy tale.

I think there's an element of "but it always used to be done our way!" to this. Christianity has enjoyed what the Christers like to think is universal acceptance for a long time now. What they don't get is that there has always been a sizable minority that has "gone along to get along" and that many of that group isn't satisfied to do that any longer.


Blogger Caleb said...
Jeff P, I feel ya!
I live in Humble, Texas... deep in the heart of the Buybull Belt. I remember as a Christian feeling an overwhelming need to convert more to the side of Christianity, because we were the minority right? Now, I see how fooled I was. Like you illustrated, it seems like everyone is a Christian around here.


Anonymous Jeff P said...
Caleb I remembered you're a Texan as well. What a weird piece of real estate we live in!

I did see a different bumper sticker on a truck the other day: it had a drawing of the Texas state capital on one side, with a drawing of the tablets of the 10 commandments on the other side, with hands pushing the two apart and the caption read: Freedom is the measure of the separation of church and state.

Wow that was a brave person!


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
Jeff P said: "Not to mention about every other SUV has a Jesus fish pasted to the back of it."

I know what you mean. I get so irritated at those stupid damn fishes on the back of these cars.

I have found that most people who put fishes on the backs of their cars are the rudest assholes out on the road too.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've met alot of so called christians in Stetsons, nightlife, Humble, TX


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
I would also be interested to know just how many of these arrogant, self-righteous, holier than thou, SUV driving Christians would be willing to give up their expensive SUVs if their precious Jesus asked them to.

I also wonder how many of these hypocritical christian assholes would be willing to sell their precious SUV and give the money they get from selling it to the poor. I'd say at least 95 percent would refuse to do so.

I get so tired of seeing all of these stupid damn christian logos and Tshirts. It's all nothing but a bunch of Hype that hypocritcal asshole christians go around flashing off all of the time.

I always said that christians are dumb, however I believe "American Christians" are probably the biggest dumb asses on the face of this planet.

If American Christians had to face real persecution like being tortured to death, or if they were told to reject Jesus or their family would be shot, 95 percent of these holy rollers would reject Jesus in one second.

Hell, most American Christians would probably reject Jesus if they were told that they were going to have their Cell Phone Service discontinued.

Or they would reject Jesus if it was announced that they were closing down the "Golden Coral" and other restaraunts on Sunday if they didn't stop going to church.


Anonymous Dave8 said...
Wonder why Christmas is a federally recognized holiday? Taxpayers pay for federal employees to receive time-off for this Holy Day (Holiday).

Separation of church and state, where? It would be nice, to force the politicians to tag this Holy Day, as "not so Holy", as it is a "Family Day Celebration".

Propaganda, used to "influence", by employing the following logical fallacy...

Appeal to pity (argumentum ad misericordiam): Attempts to elicit agreement on emotional grounds.

Anyone who buys on emotional grounds will likely support the objective of the group(s) pushing the campaign - whatever, the objective(s). People, who overly appeal to emotion, are easily manipulated.


Anonymous Jeff P said...
Can't Spell: you are one funny writer! I busted out laughting and was a little embarrased as I'm the only one in this room, my family wonder about my santiy already.

"Hell, most American Christians would probably reject Jesus if they were told that they were going to have their Cell Phone Service discontinued."

This one I'm keeping!


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
Jeff P,

Glad you found my post funny. I'm really not too much of a debater in all honesty. I'm a pretty simple person really. I just like venting about christians, and what lying hypocrites they are and how stupid they are for believing such a book known as "The BS Bible". I also like telling them what a piece of shit liar their imaginary God is.

Like many other ex-christians who post on this site, my experience with christians in the past has been really bad, and most of all my experience in dealing with God was pretty bad itself. I found God to be nothing more than a fart in the wind, and talking to him is like talking to yourself.

No matter how many churches I tried, it was all the same bullshit. These churches (Especially American Churches) are nothing but "Religious Social Clubs" for these hypocrites to show up at every Sunday so they won't feel bad about what hypocrites they really are.

Not to defend christianity, I will say that most of these "American Sunday Buffet Eating, Pew Warming Christians" here in Amercian are out of touch with the christians of these other countries.

I find most American Christians to be a bunch of arrogant assholes who wouldn't know how to suffer for their christ if it came right down to it.

Instead of going to a foreign country to share their gospel, the typical American Christian's way of sharing the gospel is yacking on their cell phone or posting annoying scripture like the "Jerry Falwell of Ex-Christian.Net" Dan Marvin does.

I bet Dan Marvin owns an SUV with a fish on the back of it. Hell, he probably has 10,000 of the goddamn things on the back of his, and he probably has 500 christian Tshirts hanging up in his closet.


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
Also I have found that when you go into these American Churches, you will find WMDs all in these American Churches.

"WEAPONS OF MASS DELUSION"


Anonymous Twas The Night Before Christmas said...
Did you know that Santa never comes to our house.

Instead, Jesus comes down our chimney on Christmas Night.

Instead of leaving him cookies and milk, you have to leave him a glass of grape juice (fake wine) and some small little crackers called bread.

However, one Christmas Night a few years ago, my brother and I decided to leave Jesus some real wine instead of the fake stuff. Matter as fact we left the whole bottle for him to drink.

After Jesus drank it, he started speaking in tongues.


Anonymous Jeff P said...
Amen to Can't Spell.

Twas the Night: another belly laugh in this lonely room! I'm keeping that one too!

Did anyone have the gift of tongue interpretation to figure out what he was saying?


Anonymous Brent S. said...
First of all, I agree with everything said about the stupidity of Christianity, and the annoying fake persecution with the war on Christmas. That said, I will now defend Christmas.

Even the word "Christmas" does not bother me any more that the word "Saturday" which in Roman times meant day of Saturn. All mythology has its purpose. And please keep in mind, humans have been celebrating this day, thereabouts, for many thousands of years. Long before being confiscated by Christians, the winter solstice was the biggest party of the year. Why? I think it is psychologically needed; the cold gray skies of early winter are depressing and a six-plus weeks of gaudy lights and shiny crap is good for the spirit.

It should also be noted that almost every aspect of the holiday, with the exception of angels and nativities, (neither of which can be found in my house) are remnants of pagan practices. The decorated tree, the feasts, holly and ivy, etc, all have pagan roots. Remind Christians of this whenever you can, but still let yourself have a very happy solstice season!

I would like to add my disgust to those damn fish plaques. They are even more offensive than honor student children.


Blogger Jim Arvo said...
Hi Brent S.,

I heartily agree with everything you said--all except for the bit about the "fish plaques", since I actually like the ones that sport little feet. :-)

Around our house Christmas is a favorite holiday. We put up a tree in our living room, and put lights on our house, give lots of presents, and have a great time. What you will not find in our house are nativity scenes, angels, or any hint of "baby Jesus". We've no need for any of the overt religious symbolism, so we simply ignore it. Others are welcome to indulge if they so choose--it's no matter to us. I don't think we are so atypical in any of this.


Anonymous Brent S said...
No no, I don't mean those plaques. The sarcastic fish plaques are quite acceptable!


Anonymous Thackerie said...
Can't Spell wrote: "I would also be interested to know just how many of these arrogant, self-righteous, holier than thou, SUV driving Christians would be willing to give up their expensive SUVs if their precious Jesus asked them to. ..."

You already know the answer to that because Jesus, reportedly, already made the request. Actually, several times, as in this example from Luke 18:22 - " … sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.”

But, I guess we shouldn't be surprised that hypocritical faith-heads ignore this command. I've yet to really meet a True Christian™ though I've seen my share of True Paulinists™ and they all leave me feeling a-pauled.


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
BRENT S. Said:
I would like to add my disgust to those damn fish plaques. They are even more offensive than honor student children.

I don't mean to offend anyone with this next comment, however I also hate those damn stupid "Soccer Balls" that people put on the back of their vehicles also. Especially on mini vans.

As for the Fishes with feet, that is an exception.


Blogger Bill said...
I don't get the fuss. I am an atheist with a wife and two kids and we will be celebrating Christmas just the same as we did before my deconversion two years ago. I wouldn't give a frogs fat ass if my wife wanted to put a life sized Nativity Scene in the front yard. In fact I think it would be a pretty cool thing for an atheist to have in the yard. I love being ironic. I love being wished a Merry Christmas. It's just that devout JW I work with who really has trouble with the phrase.

xrayman


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
A nativity scene in the yard is no more offensive to me than a Christmas tree, Santa Clause, a Chanukah menorah or a stature of Pan. It's all mythology, anyway.


Anonymous Mandy said...
I'm not bothered by it either.


Anonymous Dave8 said...
We have all the mythical things in our house as well - besides the nativity scene, etc. However, I have no problem with those who stack Jesus on their front lawn.

The important thing is to place all of it into its proper context - myth, and the underlying history.

To celebrate the mythical past, using decorations, etc., is fun...

And, for practical purposes, if all the Christians in this area, were to stop going to morning service to worship the myth - I'd have a problem beating the rush to the local grocery store :-)


Blogger twincats said...
Is California the only place where the sToOpId NOTW (not of this world) decals have replaced the fish?

check 'em out:
http://www.c28.com/NOTW.asp?adid=notw_site

Oh yeah, these also appear almost exclusively on big SUVs and pickups.d


Anonymous buffettphan said...
Unfortunately those stoopid NOTW stickers are showing up here too -- in the Richmond VA area. I've noticed them mostly on big SUVs. I've also seen people wearing some of the t-shirts. Disgusting.


Anonymous Can't Spell Christ Without Shit said...
Self-Righteous American Christians are such arrogant bastards.

They quote their bible verses about not saving up treasures on Earth, yet they go out and buy an SUV that costs over $30,000.

If their gospel message were true, I would say that 90 percent of the people who are going to hell are hypocritical "American Christians".


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