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The state concluded its case today against a Stanley minister accused of aggravated rape of an 11-year-old girl last year.

The defense will present its witnesses Wednesday. Many of those are expected to either be character witnesses or witnesses who will testify that the alleged victim was not telling the truth.

The day ended on an emotional note as several members of the jury, made up of nine women and three men, appeared moved as a father tried to explain the blow to his life as he tried to sort out details of sexual abuse allegations his daughter aimed at his father.

One female juror on the front row pulled a Kleenex from her purse and another made a quick swipe to her eye as Dusty Warren admitted he initially dismissed his daughter’s allegations because there wasn’t a question in his mind that his father, Burcham Paul Warren, could have done such a thing.

Paul Warren was more than Dusty Warren’s father but also his pastor.

The former pastor of South Oak Grove Assembly of God Church is charged with aggravated rape in connection with sexual abuse accusations reported on Sept. 29, 2006. The alleged victim said the sexual contact started after she turned 11 in March 2006 and continued until she reported it to Stanley High teacher Sissy Williams.

If convicted, Paul Warren, 51, faces a mandatory life sentence in prison. He has pleaded not guilty.

Dusty Warren searched for words as he described the agony his family faced and the ripple effect to his father’s ministry. Paul Warren had been pastor of the church since Dusty Warren was in the second grade. Dusty Warren said he loved his father and told of the thousands he has ministered to over the years.

Assistant District Attorney Anna Garcie asked Dusty Warren about his reaction when he first heard of the allegations.

“It ain’t true … There wasn’t a question in my mind something like this happened,” he answered.

Dusty Warren said he questioned his daughter over and over “to try to catch her in a lie.” He told jurors he never did.

“She never changed her story,” Dusty Warren said.

He said he explained the consequences of the allegations to his daughter. He told of the impact it had to his extended family and church members.

Still, Dusty Warren said he tried to maintain a relationship with his father and mother because of his other younger child who was not aware of what was going on. He said he and a brother agreed it would be best if everybody could get along “until this is all over with.”

Until “the two stories meet up,” the conflict will never be resolved, he said.
“For me personally, I can only pray the truth will set us free,” said Dusty Warren, who is a youth pastor.

His daughter took the stand earlier in the day but only court officials and jurors were allowed to hear testimony first-hand. District Judge Robert Burgess on Monday granted an oral motion from the defense and a separate request from the state to close the courtroom to spectators.

However, from a small window opening in the courtroom door, the 12-year-old girl, who is identified by name in the courtroom but not by The Times because of her age, could be seen nodding slightly and at times gesturing as she answered questions. She sat at an angle and appeared to not look directly at Paul Warren. A Kleenex was clutched in her right hand.

A state social services employee set the stage Tuesday morning for the girl’s testimony. Mary Bagley, an 18-year investigator with the child protection office, said the girl exhibited the classic behavior for sexual abuse when questioned about allegations of molestation.

Bagley said she conducted her interview with the girl on Sept. 29, 2006, as a courtesy to the DeSoto sheriff’s office, which was leading the investigation. Bagley deduced by the girl’s tone of voice, body language, eye contact and details provided that she was being truthful.

The alleged sexual contact began with Warren tickling the girl with his mustache and his tongue. The girl indicated it included contact with her “private area,” Bagley said. And she also said he touched her anal area with his penis.

Defense attorney Rick Fayard, of Shreveport, hammered DeSoto sheriff’s Cpl. Bobby Simone about his investigation, the lack of additional interviews and absence of DNA evidence linking Paul Warren to the sexual abuse allegations.
Simone said he observed Bagley’s interview with the girl and he noted she was “obviously upset. She was crying.” And she tried to cover herself while talking about the alleged abuse.

Simone explained that he did what he thought was needed to corroborate the girl’s statement. He seized a pair of shorts described by the girl as being worn by Paul Warren on their last sexual contact in September 2006, a laptop computer upon which the girl said she was shown pornography and a white towel that the girl said Paul Warren used to wipe himself after sex.

The towel was positive for Paul Warren’s semen and the DNA of an unknown female, Simone testified.

The laptop, which was purchased by the church, was turned over to Mark Fargerson, a Caddo district attorney’s investigator who specializes in computer-related sex crimes. Fargerson testified that he found 16 pornographic photos dating from May 2006 through July 9, 2006. The photographs of adults engaged in sex are considered legal.

Dusty Warren said it was the pornographic photos and the towel, which he found while searching his father’s office, that confirmed for him that his daughter was telling the truth.

His wife, Heather Warren took the stand before him and told jurors she believed her daughter from the start. “When I saw the look in her face and she started crying, I believed her then. … It was hard to believe because of who it was. It was my father-in-law and that’s something you don’t want to believe.”

“Do you believe her,” asked Garcie.

Answered Heather Warren: “100 percent.”

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Anonymous James said...
You know I understand that this is an website devoted to people who feel liberated from religion specifically christianity, but why? Why the need to post this kind of information. Make an intellectual argument, dispute the philosophy of faith. Don't lower yourself to this kind of lower minded actions.

This guy is sick, perverted and mentally disturbed. However, not everyone who works in the church is evil, corrupt, or even unintelligent. Some really do make a difference and help people. This guy was and is nothing more that a predator that used his position to commit and evil act.

Lets focus on better things than this. Let get down to good old dialogues on faith, God and philosophy.


Anonymous Laughing Buddha said...
James, I agree with you, but we also have to remember that these stories are powerful evidence against the BS of Xtianity. These stories would not be posted if they were crimes committed by average non-religious people, but this loser is most likely the tongue-speakin', rail-against-sin type who believes he has a supernatural ghostie living in him. It's important to expose their hypocrisy so that their invisible, imaginary 'god' can be seen for thr farce that it is.


Blogger Huey said...
James yours is a typically ignorant, xtian response. Let's sweep it under the rug so no one sees it. Let's only present the positive and ignore the negative and hopefully people will not see that xtian claims are not what they seem.

Xtians are always claiming that their religion is a force for good in this world, that it makes everybody better people if they just accept jesus, etc. The hundreds, if not thousands of cases of religious sexual deviancy that are brought to public light belie that asserion. Yet here you are crying "Don't pay attention to that man behind the curtain" but see and hear only you want and you attempt to accomplish this by denegrating the subject matter as "lower minded". Next you'll be claiming that the pastor in question is not a "true christian" whatever that is. Why don't you address the subject instead?

Yes the guy is sick, perverted, etc but society needs to see this, not have it hidden away because it detracts from someone's agenda. Who are you to downplay it in favor of the ones who "make a difference"?

And as for focusing on "better things" having a discussion on yet another pervert man of the cloth would fall in the "faith" catagory.

Yes xtians are as great as their greatest but they are also as despicable as their worst.


Anonymous Clytemnestra said...
James, we are talking about god, faith and philosophy. We have to include the fakes and charlatans who mime and pose as christians.

Look babe, if this guy was an uncle, a teacher, or someone who jumped out of the bushes, it would be a different thing. But this preacher has spent his life denouncing others as sinners. That makes the difference. He draws a paycheck from people who listen to his gospel shit every sunday. How much money would this be?

James, you might just be a decent sort of person, maybe even a christian. Do you want to show the world what a nice christian you are? Then spend your life helping others, and keep your mouth shut about "the lord".


Anonymous Lorena said...
Reading stories like this one, here, for a while, I'd been wondering when the grandparent-pastor abuse would start coming to light.

I think it is more common that the other pastoral sexual crimes we read about regularly.

I know at least two people who were regularly rapped by their elder or pastor grandfather.

I'm not glad these things happen, but I am glad they've started to be known.


Anonymous Lorena said...
James:
"Some really do make a difference and help people."

Lorena:
And how exactly do they help people? By making them feel shitty for being humans and threatening them with eternal hell if they don't obey what a mythical god says in a fiction book called the Bible?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I just found this site and made my way to the Site Disclaimer which says...

"If a topic degenerates into mindless name calling, your post may be deleted."

There's no doubt...this AoG pastor is the scum of the earth and the word NEEDS to get out about folks like him. I need to watch over my kids very, very carefully...anywhere (school, athletics, home, etc). But, I find it interesting that as non-threatening as James' post was, how worked up y'all got. There really is a double standard going on here.

I have friends from the entire spectrum of faith and philosophy or lack thereof. I really try my best not to toss everyone in the same pot just because there are a truckload of yahoos wandering around. There is crappiness going on everywhere. This doesn't diminish the evil demonstrated in the life of this AoG pastor, but I'm not to ready to run off and measure everyone else in his religious culture by the same standard. In the same way, I can't go judge the world of Islam because of the bad stuff that goes on there. I can't go judge all Germans because of Hitler. I can't go judge all blacks because of OJ.

If this site is just a vehicle for you to essentially interact the same way the christian culture interacts with you...by lashing out...what have you accomplished? How have you made the world a better place? Or do you even care? This kind of stuff is just another addiction manifested in a need to argue and bitch about why people don't see things the way you do.

I don't really see any difference in what you're doing than what the church/christian-culture has done to you. You're the pot calling the kettle black.

So, although I'm not coming from the same angle that James is, I totally expect a similar, keep your mouth shut, you don't belong here response. If that's all you've got, see it for what it really is.


Blogger twincats said...
Anony, you think THAT's worked up??

lolz, what a noob!


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Hi Anonymous,

For whatever it's worth, I entirely agree with you. Just because a vast number of Christian leaders are Yahoos, it doesn't necessarily mean that all Christian leaders are Yahoos.

The reason for posting these stories from the press is to illustrate that Christians, although they claim to be indwelled by the Spirit of the Living God, are apparently oblivious to the most heinous behavior when it takes place behind their pulpits. It is obvious to me that there are no magical "Words of Knowledge" coming forth from anyone in the pews to reveal these miscreants. The abuse goes on for years unnoticed by the “Spirit filled and Spirit led.” It takes non-magical, non-Christian, non-religious, secular law enforcement to bring these people to justice!

Christians claim to have a close personal relationship with the creator of the universe. Yet, the fact that this pastor's sins were invisible to even his own pastor-son seems to indicate that Christians are terribly mistaken in believing their GOD is looking out for them – even in church.

People tend to place great trust in their pastors. The sheep meekly trust their eternal souls to the messages spouted by these charlatans, and that's exactly the kind of blind subservience that assures there will always be a regular crop of easy victims.

The bottom line? When someone comes a preaching, saying he or she has message for you from GOD, keep a full can of bullshit repellant handy.


Blogger Monk said...
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Blogger Monk said...
Anonymous,

By your own admission you are new to this site. Hence it is reasonable to assume that you are unfamiliar with what goes on here. Are you REALLY going to look at one or two threads and make your decision? If so, why?

Some of the folks here are more fiery than others. Some (rightly so, based on their anti-testimonies) are VERY resentful of christianity and all things that resemble it. Many of us are antagonistic from the beginning because christian "trolls," ad infinitum, come waltzing through here, spew their vitriol without even reading a handful of posts, and promptly disappear without a further trace.

And if you think WE are ugly and rude in our remarks, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Read what some of the christians say WITHOUT provocation.

I'll save you the trouble of looking by saying that most people who defend christianity are NOT warmly received, but then again, they don't come here to debate reasonably and make peace (as James professes to want to do). Most end up being verbally lashed far, far worse than James.

I actually agree with James' sentiments about dialogues and debates, but the simple fact of the matter is that most christians who come here don't want those things. They want to fling dirt just as much (or more so) than any regular of this site.

Going back to the topic at hand, I adamantly think this sort of information should be published here and everywhere else...as a warning to the unsuspecting members of the christian flock, if nothing else.

It's no different than publishing information about sex offenders in their communities. Should those lists be kept private, too? Should nothing ever be said about Joe Shhhmoe down the street (until he rapes the neighbor's daughter--or, worse yet, yours? These people are in positions of great power and influence, and people need a heads up as to what's going on. As to why it should be posted here...it needs to be posted SOMEWHERE. I guarantee you that, outside the community it happened in, you won't see much coverage of it in the media!

Why the anger at us posting stuff about sex-offending pastors and priests? Would you (or anyone else) raise as much hell about it if it were the local school principal? Christianity does not deserve special treatment. It's had it too long already.


Blogger Aspentroll said...
To James and Anony:

I have been watching he posts
here on this site for about a year now and have made an interesting observation.

In that time barely a day or a week goes by with out some pastor, preacher or self proclaimed god-like leader being charged for having his way with members of his "flock".

The conclusion I have come to is that these churches are collection points for this kind of weird behavior.
Not all churches but a great many. These pator types have all gone to some kind of religious schooling to become leaders of these churches.

Naive people who have been brainwashed with religion all of their lives
are easy prey for these charlatans. Peter Popoff, Benny Hinn and their ilk, all know this and make huge amounts of untaxed money from these religious fools.

If the governments of the US and Canada had any balls at all they would pass laws which state that religion is a hobby only and disallow these types from preying on
the poor disallusioned types that think religion is that important.

As time goes by we will see that religion is not necessary for happiness and decent lawfull living. But I doubt I will live to see the day.


Anonymous trancelation said...
Are you kidding me? We're not the ones that are refusing to have any debate or dialogue here. In the face of these news posts, Christians and atheists-in-hiding can only shake their heads and make emotional appeals, asking us if we get off on these postings, or what we're trying to accomplish with these postings, or why we are posting these news stories instead of engaging in debate. The answers to all these questions are obvious, because these questions are clearly strawmen. They have no real quality to them when it comes to debate or discussion - unlike the news item itself, and especially one such as this. But instead of debating, the aforementioned groups of people make emotional appeals, ad hominem attacks, and avoid the issue at hand. I would love to debate about these stories - but it seems that Christians and atheists-in-hiding don't want to. Debate and discussion is more than welcome . . . but one side of the argument has already been presented, from the ex-Christian point of view. Christians . . . we're waiting. Please, debate.

On a personal level, these stories hit pretty close to home for me. Reading them and facing up to them is not comfortable. I have known women who were sexually abused as children, some of them by pastors. I have been intimiately involved with such women. So I've seen firsthand the kind of damage these pastors inflict on people by doing things like showing them the "proper" way to have sex, or by telling them that this is what God wants, or that if they say anything, their best friend will be killed or their parents will be hared or their parents won't believe them. These abusers become what they are because of the special blend of religion and authoritarian households. At somepoint, many people in religion become stunted in their sexual development. I have nown religious individuals suffering massive guilt over their normal, human, healthy sexual urges. I've seen folks from work who talk about God all day long out of one side of their mouths in porn stores (of course, being in a porn store is no evil thing - but don't tell me that Jesus doesn't want you to look at women besides your wife, and then turn around and purchase something in which the sole purpose of is to look at SEVERAL women that are not your wife).

This kind of behavior (the sexual abuse of children) is no surprise when you consider the elements of sexual repression inherent in the Abrahamic religions, especially in Christianity. Pedophiles want to associate with people on the same level of sexual development as them, and they do so with people that are at or around the same age they were when their sexual development was stunted. It's a purely psychological process, with oftentimes predictable results. This is why there are so many pedophiles in the clergy of the Catholic Church, and why there are so many pedophiles in churches that are not Catholic. In short, it is why so amny Christians are pedophiles. If not pedophiles, it is why so many Christians are sexual deviants, why so many serial killers have Christian backgrounds, while so many dictators have religious backgrounds, while so many people must suffer at the hands of religion.

And it's not like these incidents are isolated. The fact that these headlines scroll day after day after day here on X-C is proof enough of that. But there was even a study that concluded that abuse and corruption among church leaders was widespread, so widespread as to be the norm. That study was posted here on X-C, so I'll have to find it, less someone else can before me.

So there you have it, Christians and atheists-in-hiding: religion is dangerous. After you've FULLY read the original article, FULLY read at least THREE OTHER RESPONSES, and FULLY read my response . . .

Please. Debate.


Blogger eel_shepherd said...
james wrote:
"...not everyone who works in the church is evil, corrupt, or even unintelligent..."

Darn, too bad; because then we'd know where to look.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let me clarify that I don't have a problem with posting information, as you have, about the weird/evil/wrong-doings found in the christian culture and their leadership. Read my words, I didn't debate the story of the AoG pastor. Bring it. Sing it loud.

I'm wondering if most of you even read my post. You proclaim christians come on here, press the play button...and ramble off the same lame comments over and over again, only to mirror them.

Monk begins his response to my post by saying, "Hence it is reasonable to assume that you are unfamiliar with what goes on here. Are you REALLY going to look at one or two threads and make your decision," only to go on to explain that...well...my assumptions were accurate with what goes on here. Go figure. I didn't have to read every post after all.

Like most of you, I wouldn't be groovy with the idea of entering into a dialogue with James about faith, religion and philosophy. It wouldn't be my first rodeo with folks like James and I'm really not in the mood for catch phrases.

Even though guys like James tend to drive me nuts, I struggle with the idea of stereotyping anyone, especially when I've found atheists, agnostics...and even a few christians who are bringing about good here on earth.

How individuals like clytemnestra find it convenient to paint christians with a broad stroke only to respond by tossing out lines like, "The world can go and be damned. Voltaire said that we shall leave this world as wicked and foolish as when we found it," is puzzling.

Clytemnestra, what's the difference between you...and the AoG pastor? Sure, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Sure, you haven't raped or molested anyone. But to live a life with the philosophy of "leave this world as wicked and foolish as we found it" is a pretty sad way to start the day and doesn't really help this site accomplish what I think it could.


Blogger eel_shepherd said...
an anonymous wrote:
"...to live a life with the philosophy of `leave this world as wicked and foolish as we found it' is a pretty sad way to start the day..."

Oh, I don't know. Not by comparison to holding that idea and not coming straight out with it, like the AoG preacher.

"...I used to be disgusted /
Now I try to be amused /
But since their wings have got rusted, /
You know, the angels wanna wear my red shoes..."

- Eelvis Costello, "Red Shoes"


Blogger Monk said...
"Monk begins his response to my post by saying, "Hence it is reasonable to assume that you are unfamiliar with what goes on here. Are you REALLY going to look at one or two threads and make your decision," only to go on to explain that...well...my assumptions were accurate with what goes on here. Go figure. I didn't have to read every post after all."

So, I guess a "you're welcome" is in order. Glad I could save you the trouble of finding out for yourself why everyone here tends to be anal towards outsiders (which was basically the point of my post...although you're mind was obviously made up about us anyway). Hopefully one day I (along with the rest of us here) will reach the same stage of enlightenment that you have obviously reached.

Note also that some of us have been polite and relatively cordial to you and James, but it's easy to ignore evidence to the contrary when you already have your mind made up about something, right?

By the way, I don't like to resort to the mindless trading of insults. I admit that I HAVE done it...and I always regret it. But I'm human, and sometimes I just get pissed off. I have to remind myself that it's a real human being and not just a computer I'm addressing. There are people behind these machines with problems, emotions, and feelings just like my own. Should we always jump down people's throats? Maybe not (although some leave little other option). I, personally, just resent the fact that you waltz in here out of nowhere, not knowing much about us or why we are as anal as we are, and tell us in a self-righteous and high-handed manner that we need to be more polite in conversation.

As the webmaster says, I agree with much of what you say, but ask yourself this: would one of us be warmly treated on a christian site? Would a Red Sox fan be praised and worshipped for walking into a Yankees fan board and saying the bronx bombers played like little leaguers? Would a democrat be praised for preaching his platform at a republican convention? You get my drift. People who do those sorts of things know exactly what they are getting themselves into (unless they've got cojones bigger than their brains). What makes this any different?

I admire the fact that you are sticking up for the underdog. I really do. James is probably a decent fellow, undeserving of scorn, and no doubt so are you. Don't be so judgmental of the people here. Most of us would welcome a well-reasoned, rational debate, but that's usually not what we get.


Anonymous Laughing Buddha said...
Once again, people whine about the lack of serious debate on this site. First of all, the headings on the forums CLEARLY state that there are forums FOR DEBATE. GO there if that's what you want.

Secondly, and I have said this too many times to count, IT'S NOT US making the big talk about having supernatural ability to live sanctified and holy lives. We all admit the pain and struggles of everyday existence; anyone here who doesn't is seriously in need of reality therapy. IT'S THE CHRISTIANS who are flapping their gums about the POWER of the Ghostie; tell them all to shut the hell up if they can't deliver.

Oh, and one last thing: Please can the lame-assed excuse that "I know Xtians who ARE doing good in the world...", as if that exonerates all the shitheads who have made Xtianity the plague it is. Fact is, the most good that anyone on earth can do for ANYONE is to stop acting as though there's a reason they are 'saved' and others 'lost'. Like clytemnestra said:

"Do you want to show the world what a nice christian you are? Then spend your life helping others, and keep your mouth shut about "the lord"."

Ayyyy-Mayun, sister. Ay-mayun.


Anonymous Thackerie said...
"But to live a life with the philosophy of "leave this world as wicked and foolish as we found it" is a pretty sad way to start the day and doesn't really help this site accomplish what I think it could."

If you have the desire for a website to accomplish such things as decreasing the global level of wickedness and foolishness, why not post at a site designed for that purpose? Or why not start your own?

This site already has an owner and a purpose. It's essentially a recovery site for EX-christians.

If the name wasn't a giveaway, you could have gotten a clue from the site disclaimer. As it is, we can only assume you are clueless.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Bridgid, please knock it off.

Thanks.


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