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NEW YORK (March 15) - The president of the leading Southern Baptist seminary has incurred sharp attacks from both the left and right by suggesting that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven, and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

The Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., one of the country's pre-eminent evangelical leaders, acknowledged that he irked many fellow conservatives with an article earlier this month saying scientific research "points to some level of biological causation" for homosexuality.

Proof of a biological basis would challenge the belief of many conservative Christians that homosexuality - which they view as sinful - is a matter of choice that can be overcome through prayer and counseling.

However, Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., was assailed even more harshly by gay-rights supporters. They were upset by his assertion that homosexuality would remain a sin even if it were biologically based, and by his support for possible medical treatment that could switch an unborn gay baby's sexual orientation to heterosexual.

"He's willing to play God," said Harry Knox, a spokesman on religious issues for the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay-rights group. "He's more than willing to let homophobia take over and be the determinant of how he responds to this issue, in spite of everything else he believes about not tinkering with the unborn."

Mohler said he was aware of the invective being directed at him on gay-rights blogs, where some participants have likened him to Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor notorious for death-camp experimentation.

"I wonder if people actually read what I wrote," Mohler said in a telephone interview. "But I wrote the article intending to start a conversation, and I think I've been successful at that."

The article, published March 2 on Mohler's personal Web site, carried a long but intriguing title: "Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?"

Mohler began by summarizing some recent research into sexual orientation, and advising his Christian readership that they should brace for the possibility that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven.

Mohler wrote that such proof would not alter the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality, but said the discovery would be "of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations."

He also referred to a recent article in the pop-culture magazine Radar, which explored the possibility that sexual orientation could be detected in unborn babies and raised the question of whether parents - even liberals who support gay rights - might be open to trying future prenatal techniques that would reverse homosexuality.

Mohler said he would strongly oppose any move to encourage abortion or genetic manipulation of fetuses on grounds of sexual orientation, but he would endorse prenatal hormonal treatment - if such a technology were developed - to reverse homosexuality. He said this would no different, in moral terms, to using technology that would restore vision to a blind fetus.

"I realize this sounds very offensive to homosexuals, but it's the only way a Christian can look at it," Mohler said. "We should have no more problem with that than treating any medical problem."

Mohler's argument was endorsed by a prominent Roman Catholic thinker, the Rev. Joseph Fessio, provost of Ave Maria University in Naples, Fla., and editor of Ignatius Press, Pope Benedict XVI 's U.S. publisher.

"Same-sex activity is considered disordered," Fessio said. "If there are ways of detecting diseases or disorders of children in the womb, and a way of treating them that respected the dignity of the child and mother, it would be a wonderful advancement of science."

Such logic dismayed Jennifer Chrisler of Family Pride, a group that supports gay and lesbian families.

"What bothers me is the hypocrisy," she said. "In one breath, they say the sanctity of an unborn life is unconditional, and in the next breath, it's OK to perform medical treatments on them because of their own moral convictions, not because there's anything wrong with the child."

Paul Myers, a biology professor at the University of Minnesota-Morris, wrote a detailed critique of Mohler's column, contending that there could be many genes contributing to sexual orientation and that medical attempts to alter it could be risky.

"If there are such genes, they will also contribute to other aspects of social and sexual interactions," Myers wrote. "Disentangling the nuances of preference from the whole damn problem of loving people might well be impossible."

Not all reaction to Mohler's article has been negative.

Dr. Jack Drescher, a New York City psychiatrist critical of those who consider homosexuality a disorder, commended Mohler's openness to the prospect that it is biologically based.

"This represents a major shift," Drescher said. "This is a man who actually has an open mind, who is struggling to reconcile his religious beliefs with facts that contradict it."

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hell yea there are gay babies. Have'nt you seen the baby on the animated sitcom "Family Guy"?


If Stewy' not gay,...I'll eat my baseball cap.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
As a Christian counselor 20 years ago,I taught that homosexuality was a curse brought on by the"SINS OF THE FORFATHERS".
This is total bullshit,but does explains the fundy belief that biology is no "out" for gays being demonized and labeled habitual sinners. * The religious wrong treats gays kind of like child molestors. peace,freedy


Anonymous Rico B. said...
Stewie is bi-curious, he prefers women, but could go for a guy too. Just try to think of him as british.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sorry Rico,..my bad. I guess I have'nt watch enough of the show.

*I'm only going to eat half of my cap,(I was sort of half right).
freedy


Blogger Lance said...
Somebody explain this to me. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is immoral, but the bible says I am allowed to sell my children into slavery (Numbers 21.7-11). Or I can buy a female slave and have sex with her and then decide to marry someone else as long as I continue to feed, clothe and hump the slave now and then. But if I stop humping her I have to let her go. Or in verse 20 and 21, I am not allowed to beat her to death, but I am allowed to beat her badly enough that it takes her two days to get up. Because "the slave is his property."

And by the way, these are laws passed directly from god to moses, or so moses says.

Maybe these christians should double check their definition of immorality.


Blogger Lance said...
Oh, and one more thing. Just so someone doesn't read my last post and think I am just trying to justify what they would call a deviant lifestyle, I am not gay. I am married and have three kids. And I'd rather have my kids end up gay than as fundamentalists.


Anonymous tigg13 said...
Now, if only they could find a way to cure christianity in the womb...


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Now, if only they could find a way to cure christianity in the womb...

LMAO!


Blogger Joe said...
I suspect that, were geneticists given the time and resources, they might also find a way of reducing the genetic contribution to irrationality, gullibility, bigotry (call it what you will). Looks like, if the fundies are going to get gays out of the gene pool (and do something about freethinkers and skeptics), they're going to need to get into the driver's seat on genetics. If they brakes don't work, I guess they'll need to steer.


Blogger SpaceMonk said...
Isn't it God who genetically programs them?
Yet they know better than God?

What if that person was supposed to have that issue in their life, so that they could 'bring glory to God by overcoming it'...?
(Like Ted Haggard...lol)

How about we just lobotomise the willfulness out of all our children's brains, in the womb, so that everybody will be born free of ALL kinds of 'Sin'.
That way, once they've been shown God's Law, they'll just automatically obey without thinking, for the rest of their lives.

What a christian paradise that will be.


Anyway, even if the kids are de-gayed in the womb, I still think they will be discriminated against in such christian families.
Maybe not as much, but normally they'd probably at least have until puberty before any discrimination, but this way, from the moment they're born, the parents will be watching them, checking for signs of gayness, always overreacting to anything slightly homo.

The kid's likely to grow up more screwed up than ever, even if they are straight.


Anonymous dano said...
How about masturbation?
If sex, sans vaginal stimulation, is sinful, as is stated in the bible then masturbation must be cured also. Well, there goes sexual pilates!
Dan


Anonymous dano said...
For anybody thinking about signing up for sexual pilates, I just made it up!
Dan


Blogger Jamie said...
This guy is talking more about horomones that could affect the development of the baby in the womb, rather than actual genetic make up...as far as I know (and I'm know almost nothing about hormone therapy or genetics), the actual genetic make up of the baby wouldn't be changed.

...Which leads to a flaw in his reasoning anyway. From everything I've read on the subject, no one can find one single thing that makes someone gay. We can find correlations between a bunch of stuff, but it would appear to be a combination of factors that would "cause" gayness, and that same combination wouldn't necessarily cause it in anyone.

The hypothetical question, I guess, is would people change their kid if they could. And we all know lots of people, Christian or not, would change their kid from being gay if they could. (Heck, my mother would love to turn me straight...if they ever come up with a way, I'll have to watch she doesn't put anything in my coffee).

That said, I hope my own son and daughters are straight just so they don't have to go through the difficulties I have. Even better, I hope that the entire planet undergoes massive psychological changes that make every individual aware that it's okay for people to be who they are as long as they don't hurt each other.


Blogger Phat Yoda said...
I have tons of gay friends and we talk about this stuff all the time. Every single one of them says it would be much easier to be straight, and that if they had kids they'd want them to be straight.

Not because it's right or moral, but because it would make their lives so much easier.

As far as the genetic issue goes, there's obviously a whole lot we don't know about what makes a person gay. But again, from my unscientific personal experience, my gay friends seem to all have one or more openly gay relative. One of my friends has 2 gay siblings (3 out of 5 children were gay).

I believe one day science will determine there is a strong genetic component to homosexuality.

But even if there isn't, even if completely straight people suddenly choose to be gay, nobody should care. It's nobody else's business.

But this will never happen. There's no way a straight man could ever wake up one day and suddenly be a kick-ass decorator who throws bitchin' parties.


Blogger Telmi said...
Any Christian born with a physical disability or with any idiosyncrasy that is considered "abnormal" by others can put the blame sqaurely on God, for what he allegedly boasted to Moses, Exodus 4.11: Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

So, Xian fundies, here is an opportunity for you to question your God if you were born "abnormal".


Anonymous Anonymous said...
hmm.. this is wierd. i come here alot, but i guess i live in a different world. I clearly see this as Christians shooting themselves in the foot. Blogs of this nature are damaging on so many fronts. Lets look at a few.

If it's a Scientific fact that homosexuality is genetic (it is self evident to me) then the bible is wrong about homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a sin.. it's natural for some of those in our species to be.....whatever.

If it does become possible to alter humans in the womb thru genetic technology, then Religion is saying God got it wrong, therefore denying their all so perfect deity.

Then there is the Outrage of the non-belief community that will protest this supremacy style execution of the human genome.
Wasn't it the Nazi's that mixxed Religion with Science?

So, really, there is no dialog for this type of idiotic talk. It's so offensive. And how moronic to use the wonderful technology of science for such devious purposes. Instead of actually using it for its purpose of maybe say, strengthing the immune system, or fixing birth defects.

homosexuals do not require medication to live, therefore, homosexuality is not an illness of any sort.Hetrosexuality is not a qulification for acceptance into the human race, but consciousness should be...

Smile. This is another beautiful, and self inflicted blow to Christendom.


Blogger Spirula said...
prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation

I just want to point out that this idea is Eugenics in a nutshell: modify the genes, or the gene expression or the gene pool to change the population (or individual in this case).

You know, that whole movement Dr. Kennedy blamed Darwin for, which he claimed gave rise to Hitler's Final Solution. (Bullshit, I might add. Hitler was not an evolutionist and suppressed it's teaching. He despised the idea that the Master race evolved from lesser types. He may have believed in eugenics, but not because of Darwin. I might add, that humans have been practicing eugenics for thousands of years in plants and animals. It goes by the common name of selective breeding.)

Anyway, we can see the true origins of human eugenics...bigotry. In this case, Christian bigotry.


Blogger Lorena said...
Well, Christians have, throughout the centuries, eventually come to their senses with hundreds of issues.

Just a couple of decades ago women couldn't wear pants to church, and now they wear shorts.

The article written by this Southern Baptist is laughable and it reflects the idiocy of the Christian morals.

However, that's how historically Christianity has come round to slowly accept issues they swear against. By finding ridiculous explanations.

So maybe this is a beginning. Maybe by the year 2210, the Christian church will be ready to accept error on the gay issue.


Blogger twincats said...
Homosexuality is not a disease. It may be offensive to the religions of Abraham, but it is not a 'condition' that makes people sick or kills them (I'm obviously not counting external causes of death, here, such as homophobic bigot, here.)

Because of that, I think that "curing" homosexuality in the womb is an immoral waste of time, effort and money in a health care system that already costs too much and excludes too many people.


Anonymous jfraysse said...
What is amazing to me is that this article seems to support the very idea that Gay tendencies are in-born, NOT a choice after birth as the Fundies say. I was nearly booted out of a Bible study one time for even suggesting this, But, I still stand by my guns!

Pastor Mohler says that he brought up this idea to start a conversation.

So, Pastor Mohler, why does your god do this?


Anonymous Tarzan&Jane said...
First off, this Mohler is an uneducated braindead fundie, what does he know about anything anyway!!

Yes, the penny might have dropped in his tiny bible-addled brain that being gay is "biological" ie: "Natural".
We all have seen much diverse and "gay" behaviour in many animal species. Some creatures are gay only for a while, during times of famine or overpopulation,ie.during a stressful enviroment.
Point being, this diversity is completely natural and is part and parcel of the evolution of the "human animal", like it or not.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Stevie P. I censor the posts of trolls, of which you are obviously one.

Peace.


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