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Grammy-winning trumpeter Phil Driscol reported to federal prison this week to begin a one-year tax evasion sentence after a judge denied his request to remain free while he appeals the conviction.

Driscoll, 59, reported Monday to the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, U.S. Bureau of Prisons records show. His projected release date, with credit for good conduct, is Jan. 24.

A jury last June convicted Driscoll
on charges of conspiracy and tax evasion involving his gospel music ministry.

Driscoll recorded with several pop acts in the 1970s, including Joe Cocker, Stephen Stills, Leon Russell and Blood, Sweat & Tears. He received a Grammy in 1984.

He recorded more than 30 of his own albums of gospel and patriotic music, which he distributes through his ministry based in Eatonton, Ga., and its Web site.

An indictment accused Driscoll and his wife, Lynne, of scheming with her mother, bookkeeper Chris Blankenship, to avoid reporting personal income totaling more than $1 million between 1996 and 1999.

An IRS agent testified at the trial that Driscoll and his wife improperly used his Mighty Horn Ministries to shield the money and evade $128,627 in taxes.

The jury acquitted Lynne Driscoll on the conspiracy count and deadlocked on a tax evasion charge that was later dismissed. Blankenship died before the trial.

At the end of the sentencing, Phil Driscoll's unpaid tax total was reduced to a range of more than $30,000 but less than $80,000. The white-haired trumpeter said at the sentencing that he never intended to take any money from the government of "the country that I love."

U.S. District Judge Curtis L. Collier at the Jan. 25 sentencing allowed Driscoll 45 days to report to prison while considering the bond motion.

Collier's order denying bond said Driscoll's arguments to remain free failed to "raise a substantial question of law or fact" likely to result in reversal, a new trial, a sentence that does not include imprisonment or a reduced sentence.

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Blogger eel_shepherd said...
The topic post included:
"...He recorded more than 30 of his own albums of gospel and patriotic music,..."

Prick. Talk's cheap. Evidently, his patriotism doesn't extend beyond talk into action. No wonder he "loves his country" when he's found a way to get it to pick up the tab for him.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Like many of us here I have no love for the IRS and I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but after reading this I am sickened to my stomach. It looks like he did this intentionally which makes me sick. He intentionally lied. He was one of my favorite christian singers back in my christian heyday. What a lying Jerk!


Blogger HeIsSailing said...
Another one bites the dust. I have a couple of old Driscoll worship cassettes packed away in a box somewhere. I used to sing along to them back in my "I Love Jesus" days. Driscoll is a fine musician and bandleader, but no telling what these Christian artists do in their private lives. So much for the power of sanctification by the Holy Spirit.


Blogger Tim Simmons said...
I have a little story to tell about Driscoll. Before I hurt my fingers, I was a damn good guitarist. A local recording engineer at Ardent (where Z.Z. Topp recorded often, etc) recommended me to Driscoll. Phil was doing a concert in Chattanooga Tennessee and needed a guitar player. I talked him on the phone, he was going to send a tape of the songs and to me it was a done deal. A week later, no tape. I call Phil's office and even though Phil himself agreed I would do the gig someone tells me that they've already found a guitar player. End of story. I even bought a flight case for my amplifier for the plane!

Perhaps there is a little justice in this world after all. And Phil, if you're reading this from prison... FUCK YOU!

Tim Simmons


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Driscoll will just do his time and then come back out and hit the christian talk show circuit bigger than ever talking about how he really "found Gawd" in prison and how it "strengthened" his faith! And then all the little braiwashed fundies will be happy with that. LOL


Blogger HeIsSailing said...
Anonymous said...
Driscoll will just do his time and then come back out and hit the christian talk show circuit bigger than ever talking about how he really "found Gawd" in prison and how it "strengthened" his faith! And then all the little braiwashed fundies will be happy with that.

Anonymous, you are probably right about that. Even Kent Hovind is treating his prison time as his new "Mission Field" Check this out:

http://www.cseblogs.com/


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Driscoll used to play horns for Blood Sweat and Tears, back in the day.

F.Y.I.,....FREEDY


Anonymous Anonymous said...
QUOTE: HeIsSailing wrote:

Another one bites the dust. I have a couple of old Driscoll worship cassettes packed away in a box somewhere. I used to sing along to them back in my "I Love Jesus" days." ***end of Quote***

......You accuse Driscol in his personal life and yet your own is a life of hypocrisy...go figure hey??...back in your " I love Jesus days huh?..you make me sick, shame on you.

Phil..I say GOD richly bless you and may many people come to know HIM as you serve your time in prison in JESUS name, Amen


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
A hypocrite is someone who presents him or herself as one thing, but in reality they are something else altogether.

You, sir, based on your post, may be in danger of fitting that definition. Driscoll, apparently, fits that definition nicely.

Since the person you verbally attacked no longer calls himself a Christian, then you incorrectly applied the term hypocrite.

Dictionaries are inexpensive these days, and Dictionary.Com is free. I recommend you familiarize yourself with either or both of those tools.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
QUOTE:***.:webmaster:. said...

You, sir, based on your post, may be in danger of fitting that definition. ***end of Quote***


Tell me based on my post how I am in danger of hypocrisy


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
"I love Jesus days huh?..you make me sick..."

You might want to re-read the Sermon on the Mount, or at the very least Paul's little chapter on love.

If you need the references, let me know.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
You know...Phil Driscol has accomplished more than most of us could even dream of! If all they could find on him after so many years of ministry is a twisted way to explain what REALLY happened and call that tax evasion...he is a better Christian than most of us. I truly believe it was an honest mistake and I definitely know that he has won more souls to Christ than many people that I know. At least he is making a difference and not criticizing everyone else's short comings over the internet. Get the beam out of your own eye before you try to get the spec out of someone elses!


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
So, anonymous Driscoll worshipper:

Is he guilty or not?

Doesn't look good, does it?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
First of all, I don't worship Driscoll, I just worship the same God that he does. Guilty or not, he still has done more good in this world than most people! When you are doing good things and trying to live a Godly life, the enemy will always try to attack. I believe that is what is happening in this case.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
No, you worship him. It's called hero worship. Your worship is dripping off the screen.

So, if you make people feel good, through music, and "stuff," and then you fudge on your taxes, well, that's just an attack of the bad old debil.

Take the red pill, anony-nony. Reality really isn't so bad.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Again...I know who I worship. Aside from that, I do know enough reality to know that NOBODY is perfect. I heard a pastor say one time that the only difference between people in prison and people not in prison is that those of us who are not in prison just did not get caught. I'm sure that most people have broken the law at least once in their life! All I'm saying is that even if he did make a mistake, God is still faithful and just to forgive. He might even forgive you for being such a judge of everyone else's life but your own.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Uhm...

Didn't you just pass judgment on me?

Funny.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
First of all, Webmaster, a person doesn't become "unborn again" so the person who says he is no longer a Christian still is, and by THAT definition, he is a hypocrite by mocking "the power of the Holy Spirit" in someone elses life. You Mr Webmaster, are the clueless one it would seem. Secondly, judgment starts at the house of God. God is just cleaning house folks. Hypocrites beware.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
First of all, Webmaster, a person doesn't become "unborn again"...

Really? Why do you think that someone who was once a Christian couldn't possibly give up membership in that cult? Who says? You? Your pastor? Do you think Christianity is magical?

You Mr Webmaster, are the clueless one...

I never will understand why Christians idolize people who are caught lying, misrepresenting themselves and victimizing other people. As long as someone trumpets out "Jesus is Lord," no crime is considered an issue.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Like I said Mr Webmaster, you are clueless. A person who is a TRUE Christian isn't someone who joined a group..lol it's a person who has experienced the New Birth..a supernatural event by the Holy Spirit in the spirit of an individual..its called being born again..and u dont just undo it. You cant get unborn again. You are clueless to even know what a real Christian is. And by the way, I don't idolize any man. If he is a hypocrite..I say expose him. I follow Christ only. Have a nice day.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
I got, anony-troll. You think I am clueless.

Fine.

Do you think you could attempt to click the "other" button and post under a pseudonym? I don't think that would task you too much, and it would most certainly facilitate a mature discussion.

Anyway, I think I understand that you believe that your religion is supernatural. I also imagine that you think every other religion and cult on the planet is silly. What I am asking you is why you believe your particular cultist belief is true.

Can you answer that? That's what I am asking. I am not asking what you believe, I am asking why.

Thanks for taking the time to give me a clue.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Mr Webmaster..Let me explain something to you. When you are truly born again, have experienced the New Birth, the Holy Spirit (who is God) comes to live inside of you..literally. Now, if Gods Spirit lives inside you, don't you think you would know it? I certainly do. Christ is real. Being born again is also very real. You know what they say, Don't knock it til you try it. Have a nice day.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
You still aren't answering the question. You are still stating what you believe and apparently it is based on some sort of feeling.

OK, so how do you know that this feeling of yours really means that something supernatural is going on inside you? I mean, other than a nice feeling, what else happens?

Do you even know why you believe all this?

I'm sorry, but someone telling me they have a religious feeling doesn't do much toward convincing me there is something magical going on.

Isn't there any other reason you have for why you KNOW your religion is true? Muslims feel their religion is true. Mormons feel their religion is true. Buddhist monks feel their religion is true.

Other than a feeling, why do you believe your religion is true?


Blogger Astreja said...
Anonymous: "When you are doing good things and trying to live a Godly life, the enemy will always try to attack. I believe that is what is happening in this case."

Oh, I see. So, whenever a devout TrueChristian™ sparrow falls out of the tree, it's the fault of your imaginary bad guy? "The Devil made me do it." Yeah, right.

How very convenient for people who want to dodge responsibility.

"You know what they say, Don't knock it til you try it."

Perhaps you need to read the name of this site again, Anonymous. ExChristian.Net. There are members here who "tried it" for ten, twenty, thirty, forty years. Read their testimonies. Read about the pain they experienced... Unanswered prayers, panic attacks from worrying about Hell, wasted opportunities. For them, your pretend "Holy Spirit" never did show up.

At least have the courtesy to recognize that many of us never did feel the magic touch, and that we are not willing to waste any more of our precious lives chasing your phantoms.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tried it? You dont TRY God as if Hes a New Luncheon menu. And as far as unanswered prayers and worrying about hell? What? God isn't a genie where He shows up everytime you rub the lamp and hell is of no concern to a Christian. Whats to worry about? It sounds as if those who LEFT God never were rooted in Him to begin with. I've been a beleiver for 30 years. I have had my share of unanswered prayers, heartaches, trials, poverty, depression, etc. but I didnt wimp out when things got tough. God tells us fiery trials will come. They are to TEST our faith. Looks as if the EX Christians gave up to me. Weak faith. Winners never quit and quitters never win. Dont be such a wimp. Sheesh.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Anonymous. I was a Christian for 30 years too.

It doesn't mean anything.

Now if you have something intelligent to say, please post away. If all you have is bluster and self-congratulatory arrogance about your cult -- get lost.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Mr Webmaster. I didn't say I had a "religious feeling". I said God himself lived inside of me. Its alot more than a "feeling" I can assure you that. I beleive In Christ because after I was born again He became too real for me to deny Him. As far as other "religions" are concerned, its no coinicidence that EVERY religion in the world denys the DEITY of Christ..except Christianity. The road is narrow that leads to life because Christ is the Only way. Only God can forgive our sins and He is God. Have a nice day.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Every religion except Islam denies the deity of Allah. Should I believe in Allah because of that?
________________


I'm sorry, I just don't get it. You are making a remarkably fantastic claim that an extra-dimensional being has taken up residence inside your body.

WOW!

So, what evidence outside of a fertile imagination do you have that this has really happened to you? You have a lot of religious sounding phrases you are using. Did your god actually speak to you and tell you those things? Or did you pick those phrases up somewhere else? What I mean is, are you simply parroting religious jargon you were taught?

You are still talking about feelings. They might be strong feelings you are having, but they still sound like feelings to me. I mean, are you telling me you DON'T feel anything, and that's how you know you have a some sort of entity inhabiting your body?

Have a nice night!


Blogger Astreja said...
Anonymous: "Looks as if the EX Christians gave up to me."

There is no shame in giving up the vile, destructive illusion that is Christianity.

We face our trials without the comfort of your imaginary friend. And we win. We answer our own prayers because we know from long and bitter experience that the imaginary man in the sky isn't going to be much help.

I challenge you to try things our way. Investigate the dark history of your cult. Read the Bible and pay attention when you hit the nasty bits like...

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

This is what you're worshipping. Stop it. Now.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
What a bunch of whiny wimps you people are. Cry baby Christians who gave up because they didn't get what they wanted from God. Waaaaaaaaa. Just remember this cry babies. No matter what you "think" or no matter why you "gave up", you won't be able to avoid this. "We shall ALL stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ" one day. NOT beleiving won't get you a free pass from Judgment. Sorry. Now go post your cry baby responses again. (1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ".)


Anonymous Anonymous said...
One more thing Mr. "I was a Christian for 30 years" Webmaster. If you were TRULY born again, you wouldnt be saying some of the things about God. I seriously question your salvation experience to begin with. Just because you sleep in a garage doesn't make you a car and just because you went to church doesn't make you a Christian. You either weren't truly born again or you were seriously misguided, if guided at all. I didn't allow some church Pastor to teach me. I learned directly from the Holy Spirit. Maybe that's why I didn't wimp out when the going got tough and yes, the Spirit of God lives in ALL True Believers. That's common knowledge. Christianity 101. The Basics. If after 30 years you don't even know the basics, I question your born again experience to begin with or you had some illiterate person teaching you. Aren't forums fun? lol Seriously, Im sorry you folks dont understand. I can see how many are misinformed given the state of the church. I don't follow mainstream Christianity. God has showed me the mainstream church is out of touch. I see the results here. I am truly sorry.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Anonymous,

I take it from your answer that you have no idea why you believe exactly what you believe.

You said: "the Spirit of God lives in ALL True Believers. That's common knowledge. Christianity 101. The Basics."

Common knowledge to whom? Common knowledge to Islamics? Common knowledge to Buddhists? Common knowledge to people all over the world and history who never had a preacher come and tell them that they were destined to an eternity frying in horrific agony unless they said a magical prayer and believed with all their might that an extra-dimensional being would inhabit their bodies?

You only believe in all these magical ideas because you have been trained to believe in these magical ideas. The concept that an invisible holy ghost is inhabiting human bodies exists only in the land of story books. And all those humans who don't get a possessed, who are going to be kept alive forever to be tortured, that's just another part of the story to make it scary. None of it's real.

Oh, and since you seem to have missed it, here's my testimonial: CLICK HERE


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
"What a bunch of whiny wimps you people are. Cry baby Christians who gave up because they didn't get what they wanted from God. Waaaaaaaaa."

If you have something intelligent to add to the conversation, please do. Is that the kind of behavior you learned from your religion? You're either very young and immature, or a troll. Trolls are deleted.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's Common knowledge to a "Christian" that ALL "Christians" have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. You DID say you were a Christian for 30 years didn't you? You didn't even learn the basics. No wonder you left and from your responses, I doubt you were ever truly born again. Remain ignorant if you want but you will still face God on Judgment Day when you die. Good luck.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Anonymous,

The point I'm trying to get you to understand, anonymous, is that the ONLY reason you believe the things you do is that you have been programmed to believe those things by other people.

One day, when you're able to think for yourself, you will no doubt find this entire discussion as silly as I do.

When you graduate high school, come on back. Until then, goodbye.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Webmaster you wrote, "the ONLY reason you believe the things you do is that you have been programmed to believe those things by other people".
Obvioulsy you dont read very well.
If you did you would have seen this. "I didn't allow some church Pastor to teach me. I learned directly from the Holy Spirit".
I can see you have no defense for your ignorance and you should change the name of this website to "Whiners" because that's all you are, is a big whiner. Good luck on Judgment Day, it's not going to be pretty. Ok, it's time for your next childish response. Temper Temper lol


Blogger Jim Arvo said...
No-name said "Obvioulsy [sic] you dont [sic] read very well... 'I didn't allow some church Pastor to teach me. I learned directly from the Holy Spirit'".

And how did you learn of the "Holy Spirit", No-name? That would be from other people telling you that there is such a thing, right? Just because you think you are channeling messages from the spirit world it does not mean that you are channeling messages from the spirit world. In fact, that is more to the point, is it not? What evidence do you have of this channeling? My bet is that your experience can be nicely explained by your belief in such a thing, which you likely obtained through indoctrination. If you can offer some evidence to the contrary, you've got my full attention.


Blogger RubySera Martin said...
I guess the only reason anony is not answering webmaster's questions is that his church does nor program answers for that kind of question. Gotta change your questions, webmaster, to fit the program he's hardwired for. Hmmm. That might make life to easy for anony.

The crazy reality is that the people who claim to be followers of Christ invent a Christ to resemble their own fantasies, thereby liberating themselves from all responsibility and reality as it really is in order to follow their own fantastic fantasies in leu of reality. That allows them to mock dissenters without ever taking a hard look at reality. That must feel really good to huge egos.

So yeah, I can see that a huge ego takes up residence in anony's kind. And I'm sure they can feel it and call it by names of any variety of deities they choose to worship. Yep, that makes sense. Too bad there's so many of his kind walking this beautiful planet. They desecrate the very soil they walk on. Hmmm...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
If some of you even had a clue about the basics of Christianity, it would be easier to communicate with you. Mocking something you know little about only shows your immaturity and ignorance about the Lord and the scriptures. I haven't read one comment on this site from the "Ex-Christian" crowd that even remotely suggests they know ANYTHING about Christianity yet they claim to have been Christians. Interesting. I guess it's easier to leave something when you are clueless about what it is you are leaving. Unless you were truly born again folks, you weren't even a Christian to begin with. That appears to be the case here.


Blogger Jim Arvo said...
No-name, I'm going to assume you are the same no-name as above. (As far as I'm concerned, all you no-names should be addressed as one entity. If you don't bother to differentiate yourselves, why should we?)

No-name: "If some of you even had a clue about the basics of Christianity, it would be easier to communicate with you."

I'll wager that most of us have a better understand of the content and history of Christianity than you do. I say that because your brand of bluster is usually a cover for ignorance. (Either that, or you're very young--maybe teens.)

No-name: "Mocking something you know little about only shows your immaturity and ignorance about the Lord and the scriptures."

Have you the fortitude to address anybody in particular, or are you just going to flail wildly, hoping to hit somebody?

No-name: "I haven't read one comment on this site from the 'Ex-Christian' crowd that even remotely suggests they know ANYTHING about Christianity..."

I'll take that to mean that you've read nothing here.

No-name: "I guess it's easier to leave something when you are clueless about what it is you are leaving."

I suspect it's easier to cling to beliefs when you don't examine them.

No-name: "Unless you were truly born again folks, you weren't even a Christian to begin with. That appears to be the case here."

If your definition of a "Christian" (aka a "True Christian") is one in whom the "Holy Spirit" dwells (or something of that ilk), then I think you will find quite broad agreement that nobody here fits that description or ever has. Does that surprise you? If so, then I think you have little idea where our points of view diverge from yours. Here's a clue for you. Show us that YOU have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. Actually, you needn't even do that: just provide some credible evidence that there is a Holly Spirit. Have a nice day.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Arvo said... "I'll wager that most of us have a better understand of the content and history of Christianity than you do". Well Jim, if you do, or if anyone else here does, you sure haven't showed it to me. (laughs)
I haven't read one comment on this site from the "Ex-Christian" crowd that even remotely suggests they know ANYTHING about Christianity. 1Cr 2:14 "But the natural man (natural man meaning a person who has NOT been born again and who does NOT have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned". EX Christians? How about never was one? I rest my case. Go get be born again, then lets talk. Oh and by the way, I'm 48 and have been a Christian for 30 years Jim. Have a nice day.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
I was going to stay out of this, but I LOVE that verse.

"The natural man (natural man meaning a person who has NOT been born again and who does NOT have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God"

So, since everyone — EVERYONE — is a natural "man" before the "new birth," how do these "natural men" "receiveth" salvation, which I would suppose is one of those "things" of the Spirit of God?

In other words, if you have to be "born again" before you can even accept the dogma of Christianity, then how does one get born again?

And anony, I'm also 48 and was a Christian for 30 years. As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who are mentally mired in one religious cult or another for long decades.

Being mentally crippled by a religious cult for a long time is not really something to be proud of.

Have a nice day.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Oh, and anony. This one little page is not the entire website.

This website has literally hundreds of pages with thousands of comments.

You might want to click around a bit before you comment again.

Take care.


Blogger Jim Arvo said...
No-name: "...if you do [know anything about Christianity], or if anyone else here does, you sure haven't showed it to me. (laughs)"

Raise a cogent point and we can discuss it. Thus far, what you've said is that you adhere to one specific definition of what a Christian is. Okay, got it. That's what you believe. You no doubt also believe that the Bible is something more than a collection of man-made stories. Got it. That's what you believe. Is that information (about what you believe) intended to be somehow useful, interesting, or relevant?

No-name: "I haven't read one comment on this site from the "Ex-Christian" crowd that even remotely suggests they know ANYTHING about Christianity."

Once again, I'll take that as meaning that you haven't read anything here.

No-name: "1Cr 2:14... EX Christians? How about never was one? I rest my case."

So, I take it that you have no intention of responding to my previous post. You're just repeating yourself.

No-name: "Oh and by the way, I'm 48..."

In that case, I'm embarrassed for you. By half that age one should realize that it's essential to understand a position before attacking it. It doesn't seem that you've even read the posts here let alone understood them. If you wish to prove me wrong on that, here's an easy way to do it: Read my previous post and respond to it directly. Can you do it? I'll bet you cannot. (By the way, you may wish to look up "cognitive dissonance".)

Have a really enlightening day.


Blogger boomSLANG said...
Anony-non: But the natural man (natural man meaning a person who has NOT been born again and who does NOT have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Yes, Dear Watson, does that compute? It is necessary that one has the Holy Ghost dwelling within them to facilitate being born again....yet, one must be born again before they can have the Holy Ghost dwelling within them.

(laughs) Now, who's the pillar of intelligence who came up with THAT "logic"?.....or waIT, I know.....maybe if there were not an invisible man in a red suit and horns jabbing me in the the a$$ with an invisible pitchfork, it would all make "sense"? lol

Gawd, I'm glad I escaped this utter nonsense.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
The ignorance here is too much to bear. You claim to be EX Christians yet you know NOTHING about what born again means or who the Holy Spirit is. That is sad. When your heart stops beating one day, and you find yourself standing in front of the God you mock, you will find out just who was the fool. " we shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ". Keep running your mouths folks..its only a matter of time until you get to give an account for every word you have ever spoken. "except a man be born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God". If you reject Christ, you will never see heaven. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father EXCEPT by Me". Like I said before, you folks are clueless and obviously choose to remain that way. Even the fool knows he will die. "it is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgment".


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
I think the most entertaining part of these rabid fundies, is that they seem to like to post their drivel onto articles where their heroes are found to be phoney.

Can anyone be this retarded and still know how to turn on a computer?

Well, he can't find the "other" button, so...

Listen Polly, go to your cupboard, grab a cracker, and parrot your way out of here.

Goodbye.


Blogger boomSLANG said...
Ah, perfect----your typical "Fundamentalist for Christ" re-action, e.g....retreat because you cannot reconcile/address the challenges put before you; resort to ad hominem attacks in lieu of not having a single shred of evidence for your make-believe world; regurgitate even more scripture(of course).... oh, and let's not forget, cast threats....i.e.."well, you're going to hell on judgement day.... so neener-neener-neener!!"

(in this case, all from a 48 yr-old grown "adult")

May death cure, what reason will not.


Blogger Jim Arvo said...
No-name bleated "The ignorance here is too much to bear. You claim to be EX Christians yet you know NOTHING about what born again means or who the Holy Spirit is."

Just as predicted, No-name cannot even address a simple straightforward question. Instead we are treated to more chest-pounding bluster and empty assertions. Anybody surprised?


Anonymous alanh said...
Anonymous wrote:

You claim to be EX Christians yet you know NOTHING about what born again means or who the Holy Spirit is

Anonymous, did you know there are several different definitions of "born again?"

from wikipedia:


- The Roman Catholic Church associates "being born again" with baptism.

- Some Evangelical, Fundamentalist, and Pentecostal Christians associate "being born again" with a conversion experience that involves a personal, and sometimes intense, encounter of the individual with the power of God

- Most other Protestant churches place less emphasis on a conversion experience and rely on the individual's personal statement of belief in and commitment to Jesus Christ as "Lord" and "Savior." While they do not deny the validity of a conversion experience, they would seldom use the term "born again" to describe it.

It sounds like you believe in the evangelical definition, if that is the case do you believe that Catholics are not true Christians?


Blogger freethinker05 said...
"May death cure, what reason will not",LMAO...Now that's a good one, Peace, Roger


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think it's time to block this guy's IP. -Wes.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don't waste your time Anonymous, they're all lost here. Pride and arrogance has literally destroyed their life. Unless a miracle occurs, they are doomed to die twice. They all appear to be choosing death over life.

Matthew 7:6
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces."


Blogger Jim Arvo said...
No-name, is there ONE of you guys who can show any capacity for thought? What a pitiful vindictive bunch you are.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anony a.k.a. "cherry picker": "Matthew 7:6
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces."

Matthew - "7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Would just like to know which of the following you are; hypocrite, illiterate, ignorant, deceitful, hateful or a combination thereof. This is "your" book, not mine, obviously, if you can't adhere to its passages, then you mock yourself and your book with pitiful statements.

It's entertaining, but, I'm embarassed for you; good thing you are posting under anonymous, but you are a shining symbol of the intellectual capacity for Christianity - glad I made it out.


Anonymous Hanzel said...
Matthew 7:7 - "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"

Matthew 7:8 - "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

Wonder why Phil had to steal from poor taxpaying citizens. He could have just asked God and all would have been given him, or... suppose maybe not.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
You refuse the gift of life to the extreme state of atheism. There is nothing that qualifies as "judging" if you yourselves admit to these claims. I am merely stating the facts. Based on these facts, it is evident that God's gift is of no interest to you. You've all read the bible extensively, by your own admissions, so the facts speak for themselves. Anonymous shouldn't waste any of his/her time with you (nor should I).

The only hopeful reason to ever post here is not for the regulars, the site promoters, it's for weaker Christians that wander here and are being lead astray. Post after post it's evident that you (the regulars) have no interest in salvation. Unless God steps in and gives you the grace of a chastisement sufficient to wake you up, you're likely to continue on your path.

hypocrite - I don't think so, as explained above.
illiterate - I'm capable of reading, the question is, are you capable of hearing?
ignorant - Not to believe, in what, Darwin?
deceitful - I am completely honest with you.
hateful - I do not hate you, only what you do.
vindictive - Why, because i'm suggesting that he (the other anonymous) leaves you to your own designs? Nothing vindictive about leaving you to play in your own mud.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Blah blah blah, interminably on an on... ...yet after all that garbage you posted, you've still failed to provide us with some evidence to support the god you supposedly worship... -Wes.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Based on these facts, it is evident that God's gift is of no interest to you"

A gift? Really? OK, so what kind of gift can I expect from your imaginary friend? What kind of gift could it be? An imaginable bicycle? An imaginable bag of money? OK- seriously - the only 'gift' I want from your 'god' is some proof that he exists, OK? Now, until that proof is presented, I will continue to have no basis to believe your fantastic assertions, OK? -Wes.


Anonymous Hanzel said...
Anony: "You refuse the gift of life to the extreme state of atheism."

Uh, I am living a life, therefore, I have a gift, when do you believe you will find your gift? Perhaps, after death?

Extreme state of Atheism? I only disbelieve in "one" god, the one I personally believed I understood as a mortal man-like figure in Valhalla/haven/heaven, I have never believed in any other gods.

If you disbelieve in just one god, your atheism, is just as extreme as mine.

Anony: "There is nothing that qualifies as "judging" if you yourselves admit to these claims."

Anony: "vindictive - Why, because i'm suggesting that he (the other anonymous) leaves you to your own designs? Nothing vindictive about leaving you to play in your own mud.

Anony, surely you understand that your statement in your very post is "judgmental"... "play in your own mud"? That suggests, that I am a pig/swine, your bible supports suggesting that people are "pigs", and "swine", that means "below" the worth and value of a "human", and nothing more than animals. Again, that's "your" bible, just accept the fact that you are using your bible, to demean humanity, or at least, all of humanity that doesn't believe "everything" exactly as you do.

Anony: "I am merely stating the facts. Based on these facts, it is evident that God's gift is of no interest to you."

No, I am very interested in your Gods' gift. The "fact" of the matter, is that I would like to see the gift, or at least, would like to know how "you" know of this gift. Surely, you will not use the same "bible" that tells me I am a swine, pig, worthless human, to show me my gift.

Would you call your parents or children pigs, if they accept everything you said, as absolute truth? Or, are other people's children easier to call pigs?

Anony: "You've all read the bible extensively, by your own admissions, so the facts speak for themselves. Anonymous shouldn't waste any of his/her time with you (nor should I)."

Let me get this straight, you have no problem using your bible to demean people, because they don't blindly accept your beliefs without question, and then... you seem to believe that the original anonymous isn't capable of understanding what "is", and what "isn't" worth their time?

Are you going to create them a list of what they should believe, and think, so they don't have to? You do realize that you judge them as dolts and incapable of understanding how to capably think for themselves... uh, that would be more judgment coming from you.

Anony: "The only hopeful reason to ever post here is not for the regulars, the site promoters, it's for weaker Christians that wander here and are being lead astray."

Perhaps, after telling people they are pigs, and demean them over and over using the bible as you have, they've come to realize their religion is intolerant of other human beings.

Anony: "Post after post it's evident that you (the regulars) have no interest in salvation."

Again, you have yet to show me what I need to be "saved" from, why would I need salvation, if I did no wrong. The words "original sin" don't ever appear in the bible, once. What am I being saved from? As well, if I were "saved" once, by the grace of Christ, then I'm "always" saved, or are you suggesting your God changes his mind a lot.

Anony: "Unless God steps in and gives you the grace of a chastisement sufficient to wake you up, you're likely to continue on your path."

Sounds like you've given up on anyone, who just doesn't immediately take your words as Absolute "truth", even as they ask for evidence.

Anony: "hypocrite - I don't think so, as explained above."

A hypocrite is someone who "says" something as if it were true, but then behaves differently. You suggest you are not "judgmental", but it is "your" very words, and the words of your "bible" that promote judgment, specifically calling people "pigs", and worthless.

Anony: "illiterate - I'm capable of reading, the question is, are you capable of hearing?"

Oh, if only a "pig" had the capacity. Surely, mon frere, you would help me in understanding, if I weren't capable, right. I mean, if I weren't capable of hearing, I'm going to hell anyway, right. How else would I understand how to get saved?

Anony: "ignorant - Not to believe, in what, Darwin?"

No, ignorant because you likely believe in more than "One" Universe, but you have only lived in this one, and it's the same one, you were given a "book" to read, that you believe gives you the right to call people pigs.

However, I'd like to know of how you believe in a second Universe, where a heaven resides, etc., and "not" from your imagination, but from a passage in the bible that says "second Universe" somewhere.

Anony: "deceitful - I am completely honest with you."

After writing what you wrote and saying you're not judgmental?

Anony: "hateful - I do not hate you, only what you do."

So, you hate that I question you, in order to understand why you call me a pig, swine, etc., or why your bible suggests that I'm a pig. You hate that I ask how you are able to judge me, using your bible? You hate me because I ask you any question at all, that requires you to explain your claims?

Anony: "vindictive - Why, because I’m suggesting that he (the other anonymous) leaves you to your own designs? Nothing vindictive about leaving you to play in your own mud."

And, anony, what would my designs be; to love people, to accept that I live in "One" Universe? Is it so terrible that I just don't accept your belief, that there are multiple Universes?

Please tell me, you don't hate everyone because you believe everyone should accept that multiple "universes'" exist, where one is for good people, one is for bad people, and one is this reality where we live.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
You refuse the gift of life (from Jesus)

I also refuse the gift of life from Allah, Buddha, Zeus, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why? Because I no longer believe invisible, immaterial, imaginary deities.


I am merely stating the facts.

No, you are stating your BELIEFS. Beliefs are not necessarily facts.

It is evident that God's gift is of no interest to you.

You're repeating yourself. I am also not interested in slavery to any of the other 30,000+ cults presently claiming to have God in their pockets.

The only hopeful reason to ever post here is for weaker Christians that wander here and are being lead astray.

Yes, yes. Anyone who dares to question and closely examine the teachings of your religion is weak. You, who never question anything, are strong. Right, got it.

A few of your comments and my responses:

The question is, are you capable of hearing?

What you mean is, "You need to accept that what I am saying about my religion is true. And if you don't accept it, then you are cursed to everlasting perdition."

Ignorant?

If all you ever study is your religion, then yes, you are quite ignorant. Oh, and BTW, I spent a lot of my life purposefully ignorant, too, so I understand.

I am completely honest with you.

Islamic believers believe they are honest, too, when it comes to their religion. However, they are deceived, right? And when they manipulate other people into their cult, it could be viewed as deceitful by those outside the cult. You, Mr. or Ms. can't figure out how to click the "other" button by I'm a goin' to heaven when I die are mentally hobbled and enslaved by a magical religious cult.

I do not hate you, only what you do.

No, you HATE that we do not believe in your flying god-man religion. That's all any of this is about.

vindictive - Why, because ... leaving you to play in your own mud.

Yes, yes. Whatever a Christian says is loving when it is about defending their religion. Got it.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Try to remember that you are willfully rejecting Jesus' offer that comes from believing in Him. Whether you're saved or not, no one can know except God. By willfully rejecting the offer and then promoting the complete disbelief in His existence, this is grave behavior. God knows what happened to you to cause such a rejection and He will judge perfectly. Maybe it's tremendously wrong behavior done to you by someone in the Church? Maybe you've been victim of ugly human behavior outside the Church? Either way, if I had to guess, something horribly wrong must have happened to you in your life in order to reject the One that died on that cross for you. He truly is an ocean of love and if you truly love, I don't understand why you'd reject the One that gives you that capacity. That doesn't sound like love to me.

So, if you're not interested in love, what are the rest of us supposed to believe? I think that Matthew 7:6 is simply saying to leave those that are not interested in love alone. The site promoters have proven this time and time again, so yes, we Christians should leave you alone "lest some of you turn and tear us to pieces". We'll just have to pray that your impact on the world is minimized.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Anony-bot who just cannot figure out how to click the "other" button and type in a pseudonym so there are not half a dozen anony-bots posting and no one can tell them apart:

No one is going to tear you to pieces. I just think your belief in your magical religion is silly, that's all.

Don't you think that the millions of people who prayed to the Greek Pantheon were silly? Do you think the hundreds of thousands of people who worshiped RA were silly? Have you ever been to Japan? They have little gods all over the place. Isn't that silly? Allah isn't real, is he? That's a silly belief. Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, and a whole bunch of pseudo-Christian cults, they're all silly too, right?

Your chosen religion is no different. It's silly.

And, one of your religious heroes is in jail for tax evasion, silly.


Anonymous alanh said...
Anonymous wrote:

By willfully rejecting the offer and then promoting the complete disbelief in His existence, this is grave behavior.

Anonymous, all you need to do is provide some decent evidence that shows the god you describe exists and the Bible is true. Preaching isn't going to get you anywhere, just present the evidence, if you have any, and let it speak for itself.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
When you drop dead one day, you will have all the "evidence" you ever dreamed of staring you in the face. Even the fool knows he will die. Good luck.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Uh, yeah,

And you will be burning in Allah's hell for rejecting HIM.

Whatever.

No matter what, your Christian musical hero is in jail for tax evasion. He's a jailbird. Great hero.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Oh, and anony... Hows the weather in BC right now?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
"When you drop dead one day, you will have all the "evidence" you ever dreamed of staring you in the face..."

Mmmm! Slather on that christian love nice and thick!!

"Even the fool knows he will die. Good luck"

What was that, some sort of half-ass bible quote?? Anyway, come back when you've got some hard evidence why we should believe as you, instead of stupid retorts like the one you just posted. -Wes.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey Wes, you can run your big mouth all day long buddy, mock everything any Christian says, make fun of anything the scriptures say, pretend it's all a big joke, God will let you do that all day long as long as you are alive, on your cute little website here. We all have free will. We also all have consequences of the choices we make. It's easy to mock God while you're still alive. Any coward can mock God while he is still breathing. It's when you die that's gonna be the problem. When you die and they put your body in the ground and your spirit returns to God who gave it. That's when you will have a major problem Wes. When you find your cool self standing in front of the God you have mocked and laughed at. Even you know you can only HOPE it's not all true. You are merely HOPING you aren't wrong. You can only HOPE there isn't a hell. You and all your little website buddies. Just hoping. You will get to find out just what a fool you have been on that day. So go ahead and mock, laugh, and act like a fool, because many fools have gone before you, and you surely won't be the last person to die a fool. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge but fools despise wisdom and instruction".


Blogger boomSLANG said...
Good stuff!

(I'm sure Wes won't mind if I jump in)

Anonymous blathered: God will let you do that all day long as long as you are alive, on your cute little website here.

So, "God" is "letting us" mock him?....or wait.....or is it simply that there IS NO "God" to do anything about it? What's more likely?(rhetorical)

And isn't it ironic how Christians claim that their "omnipotent" biblegod intervenes in humankind's affairs on a daily basis.... yet, "Mr. Omnipotent" can't manage to shut down one measley "cute little website"? So like, the "creator" of the enTIRE Universe will take time out of his busy schedule to kick a fig tree's ass, but he somehow can't manage to unplug a few internet server cables? Good lord!..USELESS, I say!(non-existant)

Anonymous continues: Any coward can mock God while he is still breathing.

You should really revisit your definition of "coward". It seems to me, that one who would slaughter innocent and defenseless children, animals, and even vegetation, is the "coward".

Hello, God?....it seems you have a wuss for a son. Oh well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?

Annoynomous: When you die and they put your body in the ground and your spirit returns to God who gave it.

spIRit? What's that? Seriously, can you tell me what a "spirit" is, Anony? Is it a "physical" and tangible "thing"?..or is it a non-physical, intangible, "non-thing"? Either way, where-da-hell is it? Yes, can you tell me in what part of the human body this "thing" resides? I want logical answers, please......can you do that for my benefit? Thanks in advance.

Anonymous blathered: When you find your cool self standing in front of the God you have mocked and laughed at...[blah, blah, blah]

"Standing"? Standing in front of God? Like, "standing" on a cloud? Now, is this an admission on your part that this "spirit" thingy is a material/physical thing?...like, it has "mass"? If so, would you be willing to allow me to video-tape you?....like, stepping out of a airplane on to a cloud? I wanna to see how this is all going to work.

Annoynomous quipped: So go ahead and mock, laugh, and act like a fool...

In that order? Okay...

1) Hi Jebus!..I lubb you!(muah!)

2) "Hahahahahaha!"

3) Disclaimer: I'm sorry, I wouldn't know how to honor your third request, I'm no longer a Christian.

Annonymous quoted: "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge but fools despise wisdom and instruction".

Yes, yes, yES!..to be FEARFUL makes one a "wise" person!

Submit at once!...and become as a "child"; be like a "sheep"!..... for when one sheep walks off a cliff, you know what happens, right?......they all blindly follow.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yikes! What a lot of words! And angry, threatening words at that!! More christian love!! Geez - all to say basically nothing at all? Why is Mr. Anonymous so dang angry, anyway? I'm not angry! Perhaps anony's faith is a little shaken, no? Maybe reality has given him a big ol' slap across the face? Anyway, everything he posted could be summed up as 'blah blah blah'! -Wes.

No worries, BoomSLANG, feel free anytime.


Blogger Astreja said...
Hi, 'Nony ninny de jour. My, those are lovely self-righteous flames you've got there. Too bad they're coming out of your sorry ass.

If by some extraordinary chance your god exists, and did in fact create a hell, I'm going there of my own free will until absolutely everyone else is permitted to leave.

Because no one, not even the most rebellious of the fallen angels, deserves such a horrible fate.

And because "hell" and "loving god" are mutually exclusive. I would sooner destroy a hell-creating god than worship it. And I would sooner risk eternal punishment than slander a truly good god with a concept such as hell.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Like I said, the problem is gonna be when you die and stand before God. God ALLOWS you to mock and laugh at Him now for only ONE reason. He is hoping you will change your mind before that day comes. He is giving you plenty of time to rethink your foolishness. II Peter 3:9 "The Lord isn't slow about keeping his promises, as some people think He is. In fact, God is patient, because He wants everyone to turn from sin and He doesn't want anyone to perish". It's God's Love and Patience that allows you to live and mock Him. He loves you even though you mock Him. He is patient with you hoping you will change your mind because He doesn't want you to die without His forgiveness. You fail to see His great love for you for whatever reason. Many people have different reasons for not wanting to love God, I understand that. Many are mad at Him for letting someone they love die. Many are mad at Him for something else that happened. Many of you just don't want to beleive because you think if God was real He wouldn't let bad things happen. No one understands why He allows things to happen. Not even Christians but if you just knew how much He loved you, you wouldn't mock Him. One day we will understand but don't let that keep you from missing th