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The polls repeatedly show that the United States is a religious country, with 90 percent of Americans saying they believe in God or a supreme being and more than 40 percent saying they attend religious services each week.

But there is another group, much smaller and less-often heard from: unbelievers. In recent months, in books and on a sold-out off-Broadway stage, these religious skeptics have been raising their voices.

In the one-woman off-Broadway show Letting Go of God, for example, Julia Sweeney, the former Saturday Night Live star, tells the audience: "This Old Testament God makes the grizzliest test to people's loyalty. Like when he asks Abraham to murder his son Isaac -- as a kid we were taught to admire it. I caught my breath reading it.

"What kind of sadistic test of loyalty is that, to ask someone to kill his or her own child -- and isn't the proper answer, 'No'?"

She is just as hard on the New Testament.

"It was really hard to stay on Jesus' side when he started saying really aggressive, just hateful things," she said. "In Matthew he says, 'I come not to bring peace but a sword.'"

Equally harsh on religion is evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, whose book The God Delusion currently occupies the No. 1 spot on Publishers Weekly's bestseller list for religion titles. Dawkins argues that there is no evidence for a creator and is among the best known -- and surely also among the most strident -- of modern atheists.

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction," Dawkins said at recent book signing in Washington. "A petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak. A vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser. A misogynistic, homophobic, racist, malevolent bully."

He was a little kinder to the late Pope John Paul II.

"He suffered an assassination attempt in Rome and attributed his survival to the intervention of Our Lady of Fatima," Dawkins told the audience. "A maternal hand guided the bullet. One cannot help wondering why she didn't guide it to miss him altogether."

While much of the renewed militant atheism comes as a reaction to the strident rhetoric of the religious right, theologian Harvey Cox of the Harvard Divinity School said he thinks Dawkins is behaving just like those he criticizes.

"I think of Richard Dawkins as the kind of Jerry Falwell of the atheists," Cox told the PBS program Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly. "He takes the most narrow and the most legalistic side of religion and makes that religion -- and then he's against it."

Another religious skeptic, neuroscientist Sam Harris, has written two books emphasizing what he sees as the lack of evidence supporting religion: The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation.

"The usefulness of religion, the fact that it gives life meaning, that it makes people feel good, is not an argument for the truth of any religious doctrine," Harris said.

"Faith," he added in a recent speech, "is really the license that reasonable people give one another to keep believing when reasons fail."

Cox, however, thinks the scientists miss the point, arguing that unlike the material world, God is unprovable.

"It's when they step over and scientists say, 'There isn't any God because, look, we can't prove him.' Well, the canons of proof are not applicable to that question, and it's not something that can be proved or disproved."

The religious skeptics say that religion is not the only source for morality and ethics.

"If religion were the only durable foundation for morality, you would suspect atheists to be really badly behaved," Harris said. "You would go to a group like the National Academy of Sciences. These are the most elite scientists, 93 percent of whom reject the idea of God. You would expect these guys to be raping and killing and stealing with abandon."

Paul Kurtz, one of the nation's leading secular humanists and head of the Center for Inquiry, puts the emphasis differently.

"Secular humanists are defined not by what they are against -- we are not naysayers -- but what we are for. And we are for a humanistic world in which some of the basic human values and principles have an opportunity to be realized," he said.

The center has opened a Washington, D.C., office to counter what it sees as faith-driven public policy, especially the federal ban on funding embryonic stem cell research and the ongoing attacks on the teaching of evolution.

"We are concerned with the fundamentalist religion everywhere," Kurtz told a recent news conference in Washington, "and their alliance with political ideological movements to block science."

Cox said that, on balance, he welcomes the challenge from the current crop of atheists.

Atheism "always makes a comeback, I think, when religious people get too arrogant," he said. "When they begin to look as though or speak as though they know it all. When they begin to impose themselves in ways that are unwelcome to other people in society. Then atheism is kind of, for me, a welcomed critique of this arrogance."

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Blogger spam address said...
Like Dawkins says in the The God Delusion, when more mainstream and modern christians do not stand up and make a strong public statement against their fundamentalist and politically influential brethren, they promote an implicit and tacit support for those views.

Do we care about the more mainstream christians who support science in the schools, reasoned and critical thinking, a separation of church and state? Not really.. It's the ones, modern or fundamental, who promote hatred, creationist crap, global warming as a myth, arrogance, moral and religious supremacy, a theocracy, superstitious nonsense and general fear mongering that we want to stamp out.

Many christians claim a moral superiority to everyone else which is just plain nonsense.

In their black and white view of the world, it is very easy for them to answer the "moral" questions of is it "right" to kill, maim, murder, torture, rape and steal.

Those are the "easy" questions, given black and white assumptions, devoid of any context. That's not real morality! Those are a combination of evolved genes which drive us and rules that humans as a society have produced in order to progress as a group. They are there for both selfish reasons (I do not want my wife raped or my son murdered), as well as for the good of passing on your genes (murder and backstabbing among offspring is not a good thing).

Morals will shift as society modernizes and we humans as a group become more enlightened via science and philosophy. Real morality is when you address the "hard" moral questions.
Dilemma's such as whether or not to have an abortion if the only available fates to the child will be to be sold to the slave industry, captured and brainwashed into a killing machine as a child soldier, or possibly die young due to malnourishment.
Or your son who is a well known minister not only molests children but goes around descrying homosexuality while having midnight trysts with the local transvestite.

The sad thing is that when it comes to such nuanced and complex moral issues, the bible seems to always get it wrong.

The arrogance of christianity is at its heart, moral, religious, racial and even speciestic superiority. The denial of global warming by the hardcore fundamentalist, the mocking smug superiority over chimps and intelligent animals by Kirk Cameron et al, evangelizing missionaries, warmongering wanna-be christian nations, slave traders, and the religious right... is how the bible and religion manifests itself in the world today.

Bible stories, appearing so twisted and wrong by the moral standards today appear completely fine and justified by the black versus white, myopic dark ages glasses of bible. When you are the in-group, you claim to answer to a higher power, and you seek to promote your own group at all costs, anything you do is correct and "moral".

And when we live today in a world and environment we've nearly destroyed, that is nearly going to destroy us, yet so interconnected, racially and philosophically intermixed, short on both space and resources.. do we really have the patience or tolerance for groups that are willing to steamroll over everyone else to have their own way?


Blogger Bill said...
Julia Sweeny's deconvesion testimony is a must hear for all. It's downloadable on www.digitalfreethought.com. It's on the righthand side of the homepage. She really tells her story brilliantly.

I am reading The End of Faith, and in the begining I found a wonderful quote by Sam Harris that says it all. "Our world is fast succumbing to the activities of men and women who would stake the future of our spieces on beliefs that should not survive an elementary school education." That is a powerful statement.


Blogger pan-kun said...
Cox, however, thinks the scientists miss the point, arguing that unlike the material world, God is unprovable.

Insert rolling eye emoicon here.


Blogger Telmi said...
God may be unprovable but we still need to ask: Do you believe in God [God here is assumed to be none other than the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob]? If the answer is Yes, then you will have to view God as he has been portrayed in the Bible; you should only form your opinion about him after reading the Bible. Dawkins is right in describing him in terms of what he has written in his book: The God Delusion. I would add a few more terms: the God of Abraham can be viewed as a blur-god who was blur about what he was talking or doing, an egotist, a hooligan dependent on humans to execute his plans/wishes, an insane killer fit for the psychiatric ward. An ntelligent designer? Ask him to kiss my ass.


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