Any so-called Girl that has a period, can have sex and be a mother of a Child. lets look at the mother of Christ, She was an unwed girl 13 or 14 years of age when she became pregnant with the one called Jesus and gave birth to Him.
Joseph was an older man, an did not want her to be stoned to death so he took her as his wife.

An unwed girl or woman in Israel at that time would have been stoned to death, for such a so-called sin (mistake)as far as they (the Jewish Community) were concerned.

"Death to such a law breaking one"

The Community is so good and righteous!
(Egotistical-Self-righteous)

Of course none of them,or us,would do such, as have sex outside of marriage, before during or maybe after? We are so good, aren't we?

Christian or not..this is extreem..the girl was 15+ come on....Most of the girls I was with in high school age 14-18 were having sex...I can see him getting time behind bars for touching a women under 15..But this girl was 16-17....Give me a break..Here in ukraine the age limit for sex is 15.I know a 41 year old man humping a 15 year old..Whoopty..This man should NOT be lookingat not 30+ years in jail..Thats a life sentance..this is out right ridiculous.

Another story of a Christian leader molesting young girls? What does it tell us about Christianity? Christianity has lot of hypocrites in it? right? yes, in fact the first person who would agree with you would be Jesus Himself. He clearly told us that there will be wolves among His sheep, tears among the wheat. He further told that hypocrites who use religion for their carnal pleasures will receive their just punishment. The one most important word in Christian living is Obedience. Unless you obey the teachings of Christ as a Christian you might live like a devil. A good teacher will have both good and bad students. Students who fail do not prove the non-existence of the Good Teacher.
Further, you should think of the contradiction in your own lives. You complain whenever a Christian is reported to be in promiscuity. Yet, you live in the same way, having sex outside the marriage.

Indeed, however, we by and large don't claim moral highground, nor do we kiddie fiddle.

Chances are that, since I am maried to my wife by CIVIL union, not in a chruch in front of anyone's imaginary friend, I'm not married at all and thus a fornicating piece of filth no better than your pastors who debauch children.

You really are a piece of work, you moron...

Love and big girly hugs

Grandpa

The unusual opportunity and authority these pastors hold over these youngsters is the cause of this phenomenon.

It's kind of like with Michael Jackson,...if you don't want your children molested,...don't drop them off at a church.What a bunch of numb-skulls!

Haven't none of you heard of holy emaculate conception?

If you've been blessed by God like Paul, then who can say what is sinful when it comes to sex?

paul, you have been noticing my posts. I can tell by your use of the word "hypocrite" that comes from the last molester story.

Thanks to preaching little kooks like you, I have finally been able to admit to amorality. It took years, but praise jewzoo, I at last went around the bend. I feel like a new person; born again, if you will.

About child molesters in the clergy; I do not claim to be godly or xrist-like; I do not aspire to purity or holiness; I am not good, nor do I want to be. Thus I cannot be a hypocrite. What I am talking about is your xian preachers who pose as obedient believers, and then turn around and live exactly as I do. If you still want to talk about goodness, keep in mind that I am the honest one, not these preachers who hide behind their ordination, parading about in jackets and ties on sunday morning. I am out in the open, with no pretense. Proud of myself? You are damned right I am.

Now just a little theology: you said that the most important thing in the xian life is obedience. I thought we were saved by the grace of god, through faith. Better get it straight, you little heretic. If you are trusting your morals instead of the lord, you are headed for a life of debauchery. Uh, if you're not there already.

Paul is a christian troll who makes christians look even worse than all these pastor rape stories do! Paul we have told you a million times all these stories of these crooked pastors just prove there is no miraculous christ changing power living in the hearts of these mena and women! christianity is fake dude and so many of us are glad we left!

Funny how Paul isnt blaming it on homosexuals this time.

Yet another fisher of men whose eel swam up the wrong channel and got caught in the propeller of the Law.

"...T'was cojones that brought him to this state;
How Fortunate The Man With None..."

Wait a minute... on 2nd thought, cancel that.

BTW, how come all these Porky The Pastor stories always leave out the main point of interest --- the young lady's cup size. We are always left with a pure guess...

Oh yes. You're all so clever, aren't you? After all, this youth pastor is just like all other Christians. A hypocritical asshole who ran around screwing a teenager, even though they both knew it was wrong. You certainly know better. You're all so great.

I knew Scott Hoppe, and I knew the girl he was with. And I know that it destroyed him. Do you know what he always said? "The devil comes to seek, and to kill, and to destroy." That was his mantra. We thought it was just some good advice. We were wrong. He was telling us of his secret torment.

You should know that this girl was intelligent. She knew what she was doing was wrong, and she could have stopped it. She did, in fact. Read the article. And she reported it. And she could have told someone long before.

And you should know something else. None of us at Grace Church supported his actions. The senior pastor apologized to us the Sunday after. He apologized for not knowing what Hoppe had been doing. He apologized for the fact that his coworker and friend had pulled the wool over his eyes along with the rest of us. Did you know that that was the first time I ever saw a grown man cry? A grown CHRISTIAN man. Who was heartbroken by what our "angel" from heaven did.

You're right. We are hypocrical. We do one thing, and say the other. But you know what? We're human. We lie. We screw up. We're sorry. But we still make mistakes, and you should know that we're sorry for that.

Angela,

I knew it. I just knew it. There was a convenient excuse for this pedophile, whom you quoted as saying: “The devil comes to seek, and to kill, and to destroy.”

He couldn’t keep his pants up because Beelzebub had control of the zipper!

Why own up to anything when you can just palm it off on Satan? He sure comes in handy at a time like this!

Warnepiece,

Yup. That's exactly what I said. Satan did it. I wish that were it. Do you have any idea how simple it would be, if everything could be palmed off on Satan, since he "approves" of sin. That's like saying that the police like it when you speed, so of course that's why you do. You want to help them do their job! Right. Wrong.

B-bub didn't make him screw her. He decided to screw her because he was a dumbass with testosterone. Please. If I thought that it was Satan who made him do it, I would have forgiven him a long time. Because, of course, it couldn't have been HIS fault. He was possessed by a demon--what other logical explanation could there be? Seriously. Enough with the superstitious crap. Satan doesn't make anyone do anything. We're all assholes who fuck up on our own.

Hey Angela,

You missed the point entirely. What this clearly shows is that there is no such thing as a magical holy spook living in the bodies of Christians, keeping them, sanctifying them, delivering them from evil.

Nope, nothing magical at all about Christianity.

If Christianity can't even give a pastor power over his own pecker, then what's the point?

Oh, I know, let's blame the minor, that wicked Jezebel who seduced the god-ordained pastor. And then, let's really condemn her for not not telling the truth earlier and bringing this travesty to light sooner.

Of course, if she'd just kept quiet, then all of you could go on your merry way, singing choruses and claiming to be filled with the Holy Spook of God. And Pastor Pecker could've kept on greasing his peter and poking his petite paramour, and none would have EVER been the wiser.




Christianity is pathetic.

Exactly! There is nothing magical about Christianity! We're all just a bunch of sinners who have been given hope that there is something more than just this life.

And you're right. Christianity couldn't control him or his dick. That's not the point of Christianity. The point of Christianity is that God loved the world so much, that he came to be killed by the world, because he wanted us to see how much he loved us, and he wanted us to choose to change our ways.

I'm not defending him. If he gets sentanced to prison, so be it. He made a terrible choice, and under the laws of this country, he deserves to be punished. What I'm saying is that he is not the average Christian.

It's like wearing seatbelts when driving. There's a rumor that not wearing your seatbelt can save your life. That's true--0.1% of the time. But are you going to base your perception of safe driving on that 0.1% percent, or are you going to look at the 99.9%?

Angela wrote: "After all, this youth pastor is just like all other Christians. A hypocritical asshole"

"We're all assholes who fuck up on our own."


If you already know that all Christains are hypocritical asshole's, with the exception of you, of course, why do you continue to go to your hypocritical church and support hypocrasy?

Do you enjoy delving in hypocrasy and human emotional insanity?

As long as you continue to believe in imaginary invisible icons, hypocrasy will continue to flourish in your church and in your mind.

Religious mythology is the mother of hypocrasy, being taught as truth, it also is defined as a mind cult, get out of the hypocratic nonsense before you yourself become a victim of sexual abuse in the name of Jesus or Satan, take your pick.

Angela,

I wouldn’t have posted anything if you had not quoted Mr. Hoppe making the “devil connection” and then continued afterward with “That was his mantra. We thought it was just some good advice. We were wrong. He was telling us of his secret torment.”

That’s why I find it strange that in your next post you wrote “If I thought that it was Satan who made him do it, I would have forgiven him a long time.”

If you are honest enough to realize that belief in Satan is, as you put it “superstitious crap. Satan doesn't make anyone do anything.” then why even bother quoting Mr. Hoppe’s lament "The devil comes to seek, and to kill, and to destroy."? You knew Satan wasn’t involved in this guy’s decision to slick a little adolescent emission on himself. Furthermore, why continue to believe ANY of the superstitious crap in the bible? What are you given hope for if satan & co. is just superstitious crap? In other words, what is the bible saving you from?

You were right on target when you wrote “We're all assholes who fuck up on our own.” Amen.

angela wrote:

We're all just a bunch of sinners who have been given hope that there is something more than just this life.

In reality you're a bunch of people who are too afraid to accept your own mortality, so you believe in a fantasy that tells you you're going to live forever, just as long as you do what you're told and don't think too much. The problem is, with your fixation on the "next world," you just might end up destroying this one and screwing us all.

Well thank you all for your wonderful insight about this issue. I am the actual victim and it has been interesting to read what you all think about what happened to me. First of all, to the anonymous person who said it isn't a big deal and that since I was 16-17, and since you know some sick 41 year old who is "humping a 15 year old", it should be okay. Well, it isn't okay. Scott Hoppe began grooming me for what was about to happen when I was 14. Are you aware how young 14 is? A freshman in high school. Even the most intelligent Freshman isn't going to see that kind of manipulation. You are still a kid when you are 14, 15, 16, and 17. there is a reason you are not allowed to have sex until you are 18, and it is because you're not old enough to be making those kinds of decisions.

Scott Hoppe was an evil man. But, on the outside he was the most charming person I have ever met. So charming in fact, that he was able to fool his entire family, all of his friends, his entire church, and even my family, into believing he was a holy man, only interested in being my "Christian Brother." I don't know what kind of brother sneaks in through his sister's window to have sex with her after her parents have gone to bed.

Furthermore, thank you Angela for saying I was intelligent. I don't know who you are, but at least you got one thing right. I was not a dumb girl-- I was very book smart and common sense smart. But no matter how smart a person is, you don't see this coming. I thought he loved me, I couldn't imagine that he would do anythign to hurt me. My first and foremost goal growing up was to do what God wanted-- and when he told me that God wanted him to be happy and that I made him happy, I believed him. Sure, deep down I knew something was off, but he had spent 2 years building it up before ever doing anything sexual, and I trusted him. My parents trusted him. they let us be alone together, they encouraged us to have a close relatoinship... so I never said anything. And you're right, technically, I could've said something sooner. But, the genius of Scott Hoppe's plan is he had convinced me it was okay. AND, he had mapped out exactly what would happen to me, to him, and to my family if I told. Show me one 15 year old girl who can deal with that kind of stress and confusion.

I'd love to continue to hear all of your comments especially those of you who think you have this all figured out, and I'm more than willing to tell you more about what really happened.

oh, and one more thing-- Angela, I'm glad you bought into Scott's crying routine. He's perfected that one hasn't he? When he cried at the front of the church while leading worship-- it really seemed like he was connecting with God. Well, every time I told him I thought this was wrong he cried too... said that it broke his heart to think of not being with me... and that convinced me too. The man is a pedophile. He planned this. He spent 2 years telling me what I wanted to hear, finding out how I tick and then exploiting it. I have seen him face to face in court. Scott Hoppe is a criminal. So stop beliving he is the victim.

Dear innocent victim. It was so brave of you to speak up to authorities and to appear on this website and explain your situation.

Unfortunately religion is often used by so many (men mostly) to control and manipulate people to get them to do things most people would not normally do.

So many people often hide behind a veil of religion and the Bible, to cover up either a hidden feddish or deep emotional desire.

That is the main reason religions were in invented, it's a distraction devised to take peoples focus away from their present mind state of reality, in order to control you or make you do something that you would not normally do.

That's the reason Paul wrote so much in the Bible, he did something that he deserved to be punished for, but instead he invented and embellished the Jesus story to throw many people off track and take their focus away from him. He was actually a thief and most likely a child molester.
That's the reason he roamed all over the place to try to cover his tracks by distracting innocent peoples into believing that they were going to hell if they did not believe the garbage that he was pedaling.

So from now on be very careful, when someone professes to be a Christian, especially if you do not ask them, then run away as far as you can get someone you trust that is not a Christian to help you, if that is possible.

Be weary if someone wants to pray for you or save your soul or introduce you to a church, get away as soon as you can, because they have a hidden agenda for you and it most likely will not be to your benefit in the long run.

Keep checking by this website for support and advice on how to deal with the sheep in wolves clothing this would also include all Christians.

Do not trust any men or boys even if one claims to be Jesus Christ himself, ok?

This is how Mary got pregnant by trusting her preacher.

Religions and churches are hidding places for the criminally insane.

anonymous (victim),

You are a brave woman. I don't know you but I really feel for you and know that this has really had a huge impact on your life.

I am just finding this blog and there haven't been posts in nearly a year. I don't know if anyone will read this or not.

I know the Hoppes as I live in Colorado Springs. Scott IS a charmer. I can see how a young girl (that's what a teenager is) could be groomed and lied to and lured. I am SOOOOOO sorry that it happened to you. A similar thing happened to me at age 16, but this guy (he was about 30 at the time) was my boss, not my youth pastor. He was a charmer, but not as much as Scott, and therefore I wasn't as "charmed" as you and managed to quit the job and get the hell away before I "went all the way."

I am a Christian and at our church, we have a youth pastor who, like Scott, is married with children. However, he refuses to be alone with young teenage ladies. Good policy. If a teenage girl asks for help or a "private talk" he refers her to his wife for a "girl to girl" talk and refuses to meet with her.

A good principle for clergy (and other church workers) to practice is to avoid the APPEARANCE of evil. If you avoid the appearance of evil, evil cannot happen. If a male pastor, even one with pure intentions, refuses to get in a car alone with a woman (or a closed-door room, etc.), then evil cannot occur (nor can false accusations -- which sometimes happens, but I KNOW you are not lying).

Yes, perhaps you could've made different decisions and choices during those awful years that you were deceived, but I agree with you that 14 (and 15 and 16 and 17) is downright YOUNG and not equipped to make such decisions.

But the blame is clearly on Scott's shoulders. He did the lying. He established the controlling relationship. He did the charming. He was the adult in a position of authority who violated the trust put in him. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. It had nothing to do with love, it was all about sex. He knew that all along, but you didn't. You couldn't have, you were just a young girl.

The thing that makes me mad about this is that his dumb decision to unzip has impacted so many people.

His big family is now on food stamps. That means us tax payers who are not in jail (or probation) are supporting his family, which the Bible says is clearly HIS job!

His kids suffer. They are basically single parent kids now. They have behavior problems. But what kid wouldn't? They never asked to be born to a lech.

His wife is TIRED and worn out. It's hard raising six kids alone.

Their Colorado church is helping them financially. Perhaps that money could go to overseas missions and such. However, since he unzipped, now a congregation must do his job of supporting those kids.

I'm sure other youth in the group have been disillusioned, driven away from their budding faith. He has hurt, maddened, robbed, and impacted just about everyone he knows ... and some he doesn't know.

The one he hurt most, of course, is you Miss Anonymous. You'll never forget this whole stinking ordeal. It will affect your future relationships with men and it will affect how you parent.

Through following this story and through my similar experience (again, much smaller than what you went through, but same kind of deception, etc.), I am so careful with my two daughters. We have strict rules about visiting with adults. I won't go into them here.

Again, bless you. You are brave and very correct to turn him in. You know that you are a hero because you probably prevented him from abusing some other young innocent ladies with his smooth talking action...

Bless you.

Another Anonymous

anonymous (victim),

You are a brave woman. I don't know you but I really feel for you and know that this has really had a huge impact on your life.

I am just finding this blog and there haven't been posts in nearly a year. I don't know if anyone will read this or not.

I know the Hoppes as I live in Colorado Springs. Scott IS a charmer. I can see how a young girl (that's what a teenager is) could be groomed and lied to and lured. I am SOOOOOO sorry that it happened to you. A similar thing happened to me at age 16, but this guy (he was about 30 at the time) was my boss, not my youth pastor. He was a charmer, but not as much as Scott, and therefore I wasn't as "charmed" as you and managed to quit the job and get the hell away before I "went all the way."

I am a Christian and at our church, we have a youth pastor who, like Scott, is married with children. However, he refuses to be alone with young teenage ladies. Good policy. If a teenage girl asks for help or a "private talk" he refers her to his wife for a "girl to girl" talk and refuses to meet with her.

A good principle for clergy (and other church workers) to practice is to avoid the APPEARANCE of evil. If you avoid the appearance of evil, evil cannot happen. If a male pastor, even one with pure intentions, refuses to get in a car alone with a woman (or a closed-door room, etc.), then evil cannot occur (nor can false accusations -- which sometimes happens, but I KNOW you are not lying). Scott should've made a decision, before working with pretty teenage girls, that he was never going to be alone with such a girl in any circumstance. But, NOOOOO, Scott was "above" such a decision. He clearly could've saved a lot of heartache if he had chosen to just put up some hedges to protect his family and the teens he was working with.

Yes, perhaps you could've made different decisions and choices during those awful years that you were deceived, but I agree with you that 14 (and 15 and 16 and 17) is downright YOUNG and not equipped to make such decisions.

But the blame is clearly on Scott's shoulders. He did the lying. He established the controlling relationship. He did the charming. He was the adult in a position of authority who violated the trust put in him. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. It had nothing to do with love, it was all about sex. He knew that all along, but you didn't. You couldn't have, you were just a young girl.

The thing that makes me mad about this is that his dumb decision to unzip has impacted so many people.

His big family is now on food stamps. That means us tax payers who are not in jail (or probation) are supporting his family, which the Bible says is clearly HIS job!

His kids suffer. They are basically single parent kids now. They have behavior problems. But what kid wouldn't? They never asked to be born to a lech.

His wife is TIRED and worn out. It's hard raising six kids alone.

I have heard (don't know if it is true) that a Colorado Springs church is helping them financially. Perhaps that money could go to overseas missions and such. However, since he unzipped, now a congregation must do his job of supporting those kids.

And, I have heard from someone at that church that the church is buckling under requests for babysitting, Christmas gifts, meals, etc.

And, I'm sure other youth in the group have been disillusioned, driven away from their budding faith. He has hurt, maddened, robbed, and impacted just about everyone he knows ... and some he doesn't know.

The one he hurt most, of course, is you Miss Anonymous. You'll never forget this whole stinking ordeal. It will affect your future relationships with men and it will affect how you parent.

Through following this story and through my similar experience (again, much smaller than what you went through, but same kind of deception, etc.), I am so careful with my two daughters. We have strict rules about visiting with adults. I won't go into them here.

Again, bless you. You are brave and very correct to turn him in. You know that you are a hero because you probably prevented him from abusing some other young innocent ladies with his smooth talking action...

Bless you.

Another Anonymous

Anonymous( the victim),

Just read your posts and would like to say I am so sorry for all you've been thru. I am a grown woman in my 40's who was groomed and pursued sexually by a music minister, so I know all about the charm and looking up to someone who portrays himself as a godly man.

Angela,

Please don't fall into the trap of blaming the victim--that in itself is another stab in the heart.