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Liberal and progressive Christian groups say a new computer game in which players must either convert or kill non-Christians is the wrong gift to give this holiday season and that Wal-Mart, a major video game retailer, should yank it off its shelves.

The Campaign to Defend the Constitution and the Christian Alliance for Progress, two online political groups, plan to demand today (Tuesday, this week) that Wal-Mart dump Left Behind: Eternal Forces, a PC game inspired by a series of Christian novels that are hugely popular, especially with teens.

The series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins is based on their interpretation of the Bible's Book of Revelation and takes place after the Rapture, when Jesus has taken his people to heaven and left nonbelievers behind to face the Antichrist.

Left Behind Games' president, Jeffrey Frichner, says the game actually is pacifist because players lose "spirit points" every time they gun down nonbelievers rather than convert them. They can earn spirit points again by having their character pray.

"You are fighting a defensive battle in the game," Frichner, whose previous company produced Bible software, said of combatting the Antichrist. "You are a sort of a freedom fighter."

A Wal-Mart spokeswoman said the retailer has no plans to pull Left Behind: Eternal Forces from any of the 200 of Wal-Mart's 3,800 stores that offer the game, including just seven in California. The nearest are in Chico and Redding.

"We look at the community to see where it will sell," said Tara Raddohl. "We have customers who are buying it and really haven't received a lot of complaints about it from our customers at this time."

Clark Stevens, co-director of the Campaign to Defend the Constitution, said the game is not peaceful or diplomatic.

"It's an incredibly violent video game," said Stevens. "Sure, there is no blood. (The dead just fade off the screen.) But you are mowing down your enemy with a gun. It pushes a message of religious intolerance. You can either play for the 'good side' by trying to convert nonbelievers to your side or join the Antichrist."

The Rev. Tim Simpson, a Jacksonville, Fla., Presbyterian minister and president of the Christian Alliance for Progress, added: "So, under the Christmas tree this year for little Johnny is this allegedly Christian video game teaching Johnny to hate and kill?"

Both groups formed in 2005 to protest what their 130,000 or so members feel is the growing political influence and hypocrisy of the religious right.

In Left Behind, set in perfectly apocalyptic New York City, the Antichrist is personified by fictional Romanian Nicolae Carpathia, secretary-general of the United Nations and a People magazine "Sexiest Man Alive."

Players can choose to join the Antichrist's team, but of course they can never win on Carpathia's side. The enemy team includes fictional rock stars and folks with Muslim-sounding names, while the righteous include gospel singers, missionaries, healers and medics. Every character comes with a life story.

When asked about the Arab and Muslim-sounding names, Frichner said the game does not endorse prejudice. But "Muslims are not believers in Jesus Christ" -- and thus can't be on Christ's side in the game.

"That is so obvious," he said.

Left Behind is a real-time strategy and adventure game. Players don't role-play like in Grand Theft Auto -- it's more like the board game Risk than Clue.

Frichner said more than 10,000 retailers -- including Sam's Club, Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, GameStop, EB Games and various Christian stores -- offer the game. He said sales are terrific, though he wouldn't reveal figures.

Protesters are targeting Wal-Mart, where the game retails for $39.96, because it is one of the biggest video game sellers in the United States.

More than 60 million copies of books in the series have sold since the first volume came out in 1996.

Jeff Gerstmann, senior editor at Gamespot.com, an online publication, said the game sn't popular. The game itself, which Gamespot rated 3.4 out of a possible 10, has lots of glitches.

"And it's kind of crazy," Gerstmann said. "One of the evil characters is a rock musician. ... If you get too close to him your spirit is lowered."

But Plugged In, a publication of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, gave the game a "thumbs-up." The reviewer called it "the kind of game that Mom and Dad can actually play with Junior -- and use to raise some interesting questions along the way."

Frichner said that is precisely his company's ultimate goal in offering the game: to bring parents and kids together to talk about the Bible. He said most teens are playing video games, so it was natural to turn the books into one.

His business partner, Troy Lyndon, created Madden Football, one of the top-selling sports video games. Left Behind Games Inc. is based in Murrieta (Riverside County).

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Anonymous Spirula said...
Left Behind Games' president, Jeffrey Frichner, says the game actually is pacifist because players lose "spirit points" every time they gun down nonbelievers rather than convert them.

Cause everyone knows a pacifist is defined as someone who goes around carring weapons but shows more constraint in blowing away those who don't believe in his religion. Thanks for fucking up another definition Christians.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
When the teens start acting out those roles in real life, then it should be removed from the shelves, but only after all the christians have been removed from this planet.


Anonymous Mike Godfrey and Yes I am a real Person with a real soul said...
This is actually a great game for christian youth. I let my 4 and 5 year olds play it every day. The game is great because you either Love Christ or you die spiritually. Those just happen to be the choices in life. Take Care Now!


Blogger Alan said...
What would Jesus shoot? AK-47 or M16?


Anonymous CyborgX said...
Ya. ok. First it was soldiers and guns in kid's Easter Baskets. Now it's teach children to kill under the tree. Whatever. Seems like religion in general is very dangerous.

Now how about one where you find your own way, THINK and learn about who you are and what life really is to you? Oh yeah, we can't have those games. Too boring. It might make someone actually use their brains instead of mindlessly blowing out everyone else's brains so every body is as empty in the head as they are.

No thanks. Violence is violence. Hate is hate. There is no way you can sugar coat that.


Anonymous Stupid Anonymous said...
I can't see how anyone can protest this and not protest the violence and hate in the Bible itself.


Anonymous Steve said...
Here's a link to an interesting statement from the CEO of the game company. Worth a read...


Anonymous Leonard said...
Mike Godfrey seems to take a perverse pleasure in exhibiting the worst form of religious fantasizing.

Is this a real follower of the guy who alledgedly said "If someone strikes you across the face, turn the other cheek"? and also alledgedly asked his father for mercy for the people who were nailing him to a piece of wood?


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
That's an interesting statement you posted a link to, Steve.

If what the man says is true, I wonder why all these other non-fundamentalist Christians are so stirred up about it?

I guess they just can't read.


Anonymous White_Raven said...
Mr Godfrey, I hope you are very proud when your children grow up and start a shooting spree where one "covers" the other while they stop shooting at paramedics and nurses long enough to pray back their "spirit points".

More likely (I hope) they will just shake their heads at the memory of playing such a sucky game.


Anonymous infidel666 said...
I see it is rated T for teen. Having worked at a church for 2 years and been around the youth there.
I find it hard to believe this game will ever make it off the shelf. I can hear the teens now "this is gay as hell".
Of course it could be bought for young children and used to further stupify them.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
This truly does convince me that the world is sick, actually m uch sicker that I thought,A True believing Christian should kill no one, believer, or non-believer. Is that the Love of Christ, to kill, did Christ ever kill? "No" but He did bring people back top life, that were dead. Humans can kill but they cannot make alive the dead. Yes, we do live in a degenerate world and a very sick world. We already are aware of this and that why so-many people are on drugs legal and illegal. The Pharaceuticals are legalized by the payoffs they give to the government.Money talks and the government listens to the ones with the big money, The pharacies are killing more people that the wars and they are making people sicker, by legally freeding them drugs.
We live in a drug crazed world. the world is intoxicated on all sorts of drugs, Induced by making laws against them, unless the government controls the drugs and alcohol,..
We are slaves to the governments control, and we call it freedom.

"A Police State? we are close so close. next Globally..


Anonymous White_Raven said...
I need drugs to make sense of your post Anon.

Caffine is a drug too. Back away from the Starbuck's.


Anonymous Dante said...
I have a strange and sneaky suspicion that the people behind this game are hoping to cast Christians in a very negative light because they hate having to face the fact that todays most extreme religious groups are tan with black moustaches and Middle-Eastern accents. That's too difficult for Berkley liberals to digest.

"Convert or Die" is a more likely video game title for present-day Shiite Muslims than Christians. The worst thing that Christians have done to me when they knew that I supported gay marriage and listened to death metal was tell me where I was going if I don't repent. But I know how much worse I would fare in Saudi Arabia or Syria with my views and appearance. In other words, I would hear the words "convert or die in Arabic" before being shot or beheaded.

I don't even need to visualize the way that Muslims would react to such a game, because there already is one that Muslim youth play in Iran, which is coupled with an animated series in which the "heroes" become suicide bombers. Muslims "moderates" have yet to speak out against either the game or the animated series, because, well, you know. And yet, many of you think that Christians are the bigger threat.

"Only after all the Christians are removed from this planet" was an anonymous comment made by someone who no doubt thinks along those lines.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
"Only after all the Christians are removed from this planet," was an asinine comment.

All religion causes people to abandon thinking in favor of faith. You're right that right now in this century Islam is a much more violent and dangerous religion than most of Christianity. But if you study up a bit, you'll find out that for 1,000 or more years Christianity was much, much more violent that Islam has ever been. However, the difference today, as Sam Harris has pointedly said, Islam has modern weapons and even nukes to go with their Middle Ages mentality.

All religion is bunk. All religion makes people crazy.

The reason we rant on Christianity is because we were once Christians and we're pissed about how we were deceived by that false cult. Most of us always thought Islam was bull-crap. We were just too stupid to realize our own little religion was every bit as silly and potentially as dangerous.


Anonymous CyborgX said...
From the article:

"In the initial missions, there is little emphasis on physical warfare and gamers are introduced to powers of influence which result in a battle for the hearts and minds of people."

BATTLE for the hearts and MINDS OF PEOPLE? That's like saying forcing someone to believe what you want them to, and fight with them until they give in. No thanks. That's just unethical.

"As missions progress, there are no ‘objectives' to cause war physically. However, physical warfare results when the player is required to defend against the physical forces of evil; led by the Global Community Peacekeepers."

There they shouldn't call it "Global Community Peacekeepers" if they want the group to be evil or bad. That's like saying we should NOT come together as a Global Community and embrace Peace. That's the message I get from that statement.

Pretty much he put his foot in his mouth in this one.

Reminds me of that one video game where you get to kill cops. Another one I don't even want to think about.

But they are out there. I think the reason this one is getting so much fanfare is because of religion. Though the cop-killing game got as much too. I don't even keep up with them so I don't know if they took that one off the shelves or not. IMHO, they should. And no game should be published that puts the player in a position to fight against people who are working for peace and harmony.

And I do also agree that the statement of "Only after all the Christians are removed from this planet," isn't a good thing to say. I mean, it's not just Christians. As the webmaster said, we just identify with that group because of what we personally went through. But looking around, I would say "Until the people on the planet no longer need religion to realize that we are all people and have the same rights to a happy life as anyone else, without interfering with that right."

Or soemthing like that.


Anonymous Jester said...
"...the game actually is pacifist because players lose "spirit points" every time they gun down nonbelievers rather than convert them. They can earn spirit points again by having their character pray."

Ok, so you can kill 'em all & let god sort 'em out, while praying inbetween times to regain your spirit points? How convenient.


Blogger Joe said...
I showed the Left Behind Games website to someone that I know who is a very zealous christian, and her reaction to it confounded me. She sent me an e-mail that said:

Did you read the description about the game? It doesn't say anything about killing others. Interesting how you know about the game though. Yep, but no killing. Just trying to gather as many people as you can to worship (to build that army), wield military stuff and uncover ancient scriptures. And it doesn't say Muslims, gays and whatever, its Nicholae Carpathia and whomever he's chosen to be in his army. See ya! ;)

I pointed out the killing part to her specifically, and the whole "weilding military stuff" while chatting on msn one day, and she later replied via another email:

ok, let me rephrase myself. there's killing in this game, but as i said in the msn, its not for forcing christianity down other peoples throats.

RRRiigggghtt....

When I had convinced her that it was of course gays and muslims and heavy metal listeners, and any other non-believer in general who where getting wiped out by said "army", she seemed to hum and hah for a second and replied something to the effect of "well...I mean, it IS going to happen, one day." It's fucking scary! Kid gloves are off.


Anonymous imaginary sky daddy said...
This truly does convince me that the world is sick, actually m uch sicker that I thought,A True believing Christian should kill no one, believer, or non-believer. Is that the Love of Christ, to kill, did Christ ever kill?
As far as I know he never killed anyone from what the "good book" says. But he did say this anony.
Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
So the "good lord" himself was sick too it seems.


Anonymous Dano said...
Let's assume that I just read on the Internet that a video game, where born again Christians are blowing away people who won't convert to their way of thinking, is selling like hot cakes at Walmart.
Now the rational part of my brain tells me that this is not possible in a country, that for so many years has led the world in education. Is it possible that we have enjoyed so much prosperity for so long that the average American's brain has turned to mush?
Are there no Jefferson's or Franklin's or Voltaire's, or Lincoln's, or Robert Green Ingersoll's, around anymore? I assure you there are. People like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, and some on this site, routinely expose the Christian apologetics nonsense as being on par with Neanderthal gibberish, but the brain dead masses who never read anything remotely analytical about their closely held bronze age mystical beliefs, just keep bottom feeding off the pile of nonsense their hick preachers, are shoveling out.
We are about 34th from the top now, in how well we educate our children in science, thanks in part to the relentless drive by evangelicals to stifle empirical scientific principles and replace them with faith driven gibberish.
Please tell me I am mistaken about reading that huge numbers of people in this country are buying a video game and taking it home to their children, one that teaches them to hate anyone who hasn't turned their brain off and fallen into the habit of repeating over and over portions of a pagan mystical belief, and to talk to an imaginary being. What are they going to teach their children next? To strap on a load of dynamite and go into a crowd of nonbelievers and blow themselves up!!!!?

Dano (70 years old, and concerned)


Anonymous Spirula said...
In other words, I would hear the words "convert or die in Arabic" before being shot or beheaded.

Well, not that long ago Native Americans heard something very similar in English, French and Spanish...by Protestants and Catholics. In some areas more than 90% of the population vanished. Granted, the introduction of European diseases was a major culprit, but once Europeans discovered the Native American weakness to these, they exploited that by giving the natives infected blankets.
Many others were just flat-out massacred or restricted to reservations.

None of the "three stooges of Abraham" is blameless when it comes to the oppression and extermination of non-believers.


Anonymous Moses, Paul, and their ghostwriters said...
What's this?, a game played by gullable people in which God can never be allowed to lose!

Hey!, we claimed the rights on that one thousands of years ago!

We ought to sue!

(by Pull The Other One!)


Anonymous Anonymous said...
You all are being silly. its just a video game based on a concept.
I like WoW,EQ,.etc. Its all fantasy. ITS NOT REAL. Just like the bible, God, Jesus,.. all not real. why is everyone freeking out?


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Good point — the basis of this game is just pretend.

And, it's based on an premillinial eschatological concept that was invented just prior to, and popularized during, the American Civil War. Before the mid-19th Century, no Christian had ever heard of a "Rapture," or a seven-year tribulation, or any of that nonsense.

So, let the fundies mentally masturbate in front of their video games, pretending they are doing the Lord's work while in reality all they are doing is pandering to the natural human bloodlust that has been an unquestionable necessity in our violent evolution as a species.

Or, let them know that any religion that supports the genocidal annihilation of human beings who do not share their quirky religious beliefs is horrifically perverse.

Decisions, decisions...


Anonymous yearbook said...
This game is a joke, frankly I doubt any serious christian would take a game like this seriously anyway.

You know, what we need is EXACTLY more "Christian" mythology in the popular media. No Sarcasm here at all. And it should be portrayed as it it is, good fiction. Perhaps that way everybody will begin to take this stuff less seriously.


Anonymous twincats said...
I said this on Netscape and I'll say it again:

I can't object to this game any more or less than to others like Grand Theft Auto (whether or not they're more like Risk than Clue) because violence is violence. No matter who you are dehumanizing in order to give yourself permission to (pretend to) do away with.

If the rapture ready crowd really wants their very own "rated T for teen" violent vid game, let'em have at it. But if they want to pretend it's anything than what it is, I'm not buyin' it.


Anonymous Lorena said...
Mike Godfrey:
This is actually a great game for christian youth. I let my 4 and 5 year olds play it every day. The game is great because you either Love Christ or you die spiritually. Those just happen to be the choices in life. Take Care Now!

Lorena:
I sometimes wonder if this guy is for real. Actually, I think he is kidding. He's got to be kidding.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
In a game like Grand Theft Auto, the player has a choice as to what they want to do. Yea, they can go on a killing rampage, and there are consequences, like the cops might catch you and throw you in jail. You could choose to simply drive like a manic, you could choose to deliver pizzas, drive an ambulance, be a cop.....it's an open "sandbox", and the player chooses what they want to do. I'm not saying that GTA promotes a message of love and peace, the entire game is totally absurd, stealing peoples cars and running whore houses, working with dirty politicians...it's like a gangster movie. One thing it does not do, is discriminate racially or religiously. It does ridicule the catholic church in it's absurd way, goofing on corruption within the church. It doesn't make one of the goals in the game to go kill all catholics.


Anonymous newcult111 said...
"One thing it does not do, is discriminate racially or religiously."

I completely disagree. I've played most of the GTA series and it is fraught with references degrading minorities and referring to religions with animosity and sexual reference...I think that since this is a free country, we should be able to buy whatever we want, even if it is a make believe fantasy world where virtual Christians are the targets of your pretend character.


Anonymous Stexon said...
NewCult111: "I think that since this is a free country, we should be able to buy whatever we want..."

It's illegal to buy drugs, illegal weapons, etc. Seems you are a bit of an anarchist, you realize that's not productive in a civil society, or do you?

And, for cigarettes, alcohol, etc. there is an age requirement. So, NewCult111, when do you think a person is of age to be "free" to buy whatever they want?


Anonymous newcult111 said...
Sexton...
You are missing the point completely. I mean that people should be able to buy things that are legal without harassment based on content. I'm sure you wouldn't want some person criticizing you for buying an R rated movie, telling you that movie offends them. Let me clarify my position. I believe that since this country gives it's citizens the right to purchase what they will, legally, then no one has the right to criticize or say anything about something someone wants to purchase. Clear?


Anonymous Stexon said...
newdolt111: "You are missing the point completely."

It's possible.

newcolt111: "I'm sure you wouldn't want some person criticizing you for buying an R rated movie, telling you that movie offends them."

However, it's their right to criticize me, and even go after the producer of a product that they may feel is inappropriate.

newcolt111: "Let me clarify my position. I believe that since this country gives it's citizens the right to purchase what they will, legally, then no one has the right to criticize or say anything about something someone wants to purchase. Clear?"

:-) Sure. You don't criticize those who hold bibles, or make observations about how the hate speech in the bible affects society. Because, the material is legally purchased. If you did, that would make you a hypocrite.

I disagree, you have the right to buy whatever you want, and I have a right to criticize you as much as I want. Further, I have the right to take the company who produces material to court, and force certain products to become illegal. Is that clear?


Anonymous newcult111 said...
sexton...
You are one angry little man...
This is my opinion. There is no reason for insults and anger. I am merely stating my opinion, however, since you find my opinion offensive...here is my little advice to you. If you don't have anything nice to comment on, don't comment...

Have a nice day.


Anonymous Sexton said...
NewCult111...
You are one angry little man...
This is my opinion. There is no reason for insults and anger. I am merely stating my opinion, however, since you find my opinion offensive...here is my little advice to you. If you don't have anything nice to comment on, don't comment...

Have a nice day.


Anonymous Stexon said...
NewDolt111...
You are one angry little man...
This is my opinion. There is no reason for insults and anger. I am merely stating my opinion, however, since you find my opinion offensive...here is my little advice to you. If you don't have anything nice to comment on, don't comment...

Have a nice day.


Anonymous newcult111 said...
I mean to offense to you Sexton. I try to be professional in my comments and I am sorry if I have offended you. I hope you do well with that lawsuit you were speaking of and have a nice life.

Good bye.


Anonymous Stexon said...
NewCult111: "I mean to offense to you Sexton. I try to be professional in my comments and I am sorry if I have offended you. I hope you do well with that lawsuit you were speaking of and have a nice life. Good bye."

No offense taken. My screen name is "Stexon", not "Sexton", but no worries.

Regarding the lawsuit. I am not actively seeking to sue people or companies at the moment. However, I like to keep my options open.

Economics, ethics, and law don't necessarily agree on what is "right" for a society, or an individual. I find that the most potent arbiter for individual freedom, is the individual.

Much of economics deals with individual purchases, while turning a blind eye to the effects an individual purchase could have on a community. The economic theorists typically believe that the law should be the arbiter for legal products used to negatively affect others. I'm more on the prevention side, than the clean-up and damage control side.

There has to be a balance between individual freedom, and group affects. Obviously, my opinion is my own, and it may conflict with the ideals of others. Good thing, we have


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stexon, your skill in the art of debate is astounding, tool.


Anonymous Stexon said...
Stexon: "There has to be a balance between individual freedom, and group affects. Obviously, my opinion is my own, and it may conflict with the ideals of others. Good thing, we have"

Good thing we have a democracy in the U.S.

Anonymous: "Stexon, your skill in the art of debate is astounding, tool."

Anony, your skill in the art of debate is astounding, fool. Merry Yule - mule :-)


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