In recent months, biologist Richard Dawkins and several other high-profile philosophers and scientists fed up with religious fundamentalism have urged atheists to come out of the closet. Judging by the current membership boom in Hong’s group, a lot of local atheists are doing just that.
In less than two years, Hong, a structural engineering consultant who lives in Jackson, has seen attendance at monthly meetings spike from a single-digit trickle to an average of 20 and a high of 35, with 60 people on the group’s register. Most members are from the Lansing area, but others come from as far away as Lake Orion, Monroe and Flint.
This afternoon, Hong has invited a manageable fraction of the group to share thoughts and stories about coming out as atheists in a country overwhelmingly populated by the faithful. They’re also here to plan a Dec. 17 winter solstice celebration, an alternative to the religious festivals that dominate December. On the secular docket thus far is a silent auction and a talent show featuring songs, poems, dance and Hong’s dazzling demonstration on how to fold a shirt in 2.1 seconds.
Amid the laughs and short-term business, the word “apostle” rings a 2,000-year-old bell. As Hong suggests ways to go forth and spread the word about atheism, it’s hard not to notice that there are 12 other people at the table, sharing ideas while picking at lo mein remnants, fortune cookies and soft serve ice cream.
Could this be the start of something big?
Lights out, lightbulb on
Don’t expect an atheist millennium to descend upon the Earth anytime soon. Despite the accidental Last Supper head count, these potential apostles are not even the on the same page, let alone chapter and verse.
“Preach and it doesn’t work,” Therese Hercher, one of the group’s newer faces, says to Hong. “Put me in a corner, and I’m going to come out swinging. It’s better to be a role model.”
Some wear the group’s name proudly, but Hercher and others aren’t even sure they like the term “atheist.”
“Atheism is about what we aren’t,” Hercher says. “But there’s something we all are, too. We’re reasonable people. We rely on reason and not mysticism or superstition.”
“I don’t reveal much about being an atheist because of the conceptions some people have about us,” ventures Regina Fry, an almost painfully soft-spoken artist from Lansing. “I would rather that people see that I hold certain values about caring for each other and the earth and promoting justice.”
Tom McFarland, an enthusiastic member of the group who also drives to East Lansing from Jackson, is clearly more comfortable with the word “atheist” than Fry or Hercher. “We’re passionate about being atheists,” he says. “It’s not just, ‘I’m an atheist, get over it.’ There’s a lot of thinking, a lot of process involved.”
That, Hong says, is just why he wants the group to reach out. “Once people get a sense of who non-believers are, they might be more accepting,” he explains. “We’re moral people. We don’t have horns.”
While some people at this table have been atheists for decades, Hong speaks with the zeal of the recent convert. He says the turning point came when his brother-in-law told him the blackout that struck the northeast United States in August 2003 was a trial sent to Earth by God.
“That really got to me,” Hong says. “It didn’t make any sense at all. I got to thinking about how natural disasters, and how so many people in the world are hungry. Why am I so lucky? To say it was part of a plan didn’t make sense to me.”
Since then, the openly religious stance of the Bush administration, not to mention that of its terrorist foes, has provoked a slew of aggressively atheist literature [see box, “Unbibles for unbelievers”] and pushed Hong and others toward open avowal of atheism.
Against this backdrop of baroque-era-Bush backlash, Hong joined Steve Kwart of Lansing in May 2005 to overhaul a sputtering predecessor group of local atheists. In Kwart’s words, the original group was patterned on a business model, met in libraries and “wasn’t very much fun.”
When Hong and Kwart eliminated dues and by-laws, added humanists to the tent, and moved the monthly venue to a popular East Lansing restaurant, attendance went up.
Some members, like Ray Ziarno of Lansing, a retired state employee, value the group as a chance to network with like-minded people. “This is something that one could not experience, at least in the Lansing area, until recently,” he says.
But Hong has longer-range plans. He urges outreach with “measurable results,” suggesting the group distribute pamphlets, draft talking points, arrange lectures, even set up an atheist support hotline. “Otherwise, we’re just talking to each other,” he says.
Don’t ask, don’t tell
For some atheists, “just talking to each other” is comfort enough. Several recent polls put the number of self-described atheists in the United States somewhere between 1 and 3 percent, leaving few kindred spirits in the average atheist’s life.
Rose, an out-of-town journalist who has just moved to Lansing, requested her last name be withheld because she doesn’t want to jeopardize her employment prospects. “I’ve become ever less comfortable about discussing faith or religion with people I’ve just met or don’t know well,” she says.
This time of year, there are holidays to deal with, but most of the atheists at this table say they simply avoid the subject of religion at home.
“We have a don’t-ask, don’t-tell policy at our house,” smiles Kwart, a bearded, mild-mannered investor in his 30s. “When we gather for the holidays we simply don’t discuss subjects that we know will only start an argument. We focus on what we do have in common. It makes life a lot easier.”
Kwart goes to his family’s religious ceremonies, and even served as his nephew’s godfather.
Ziarno, who is about 20 years older than Kwart, does the same. He goes to the religious weddings of friends and family, although he adds sadly that they are now outnumbered by funerals. “I generally participate out of politeness,” he says.
“I don’t hide my non-belief from anyone but my family,” explains Russ Rogers, a regular at the East Lansing meetings. Rogers says the subject of religion simply doesn’t come up in his family. “If any of them asked, I would honestly state my position.”
In recent years, the Internet has helped atheists reach beyond unsympathetic work and home environments to connect with others who feel the same way they do. Nevertheless, becoming an atheist is, overwhelmingly, a solitary journey that starts early in life and takes years, sometimes decades, to complete.
“I did well in school, had a lot of friends, but felt somewhat like an isolated island when it came to questioning religion,” Kwart, a former Catholic altar boy, says.
The sequence and timing may vary, but many atheists go through phases strikingly similar to the coming-out process described by gays and lesbians. Again and again, atheists talk of vague confusion, inner struggle, solitary resolve, one or more last-ditch attempts to put the godless toothpaste back in the tube, and a final, public break with the past.
Mike Foland, a soft-spoken retired Ford employee who has lived in Lansing all his life, can make the coming-out comparison with authority. He came out as both gay and atheist at the same time.
Foland found himself against the wall in 2003, when his parents e-mailed him, criticizing a female friend who was planning a commitment ceremony with a female partner.
“My parents told me how it was against God,” Foland says.
It wasn’t easy for Foland to answer that e-mail honestly. “I basically grew up in the church,” he says.
Foland struggled with his own sexuality since he was 13, and didn’t resolve it for himself until 1992. “I questioned my orientation before that, trying to work through Biblical verses that talked about homosexuality.”
When his parents sent him the 2003 e-mail, he steeled himself and wrote back: “What you’re writing about her, you’re writing about me, and that’s one reason I don’t believe anymore.”
“I had not come out to my parents until that writing,” he says. “So all in one e-mail, I came out to my parents as a gay man and an atheist.
“I think they were more upset about me being an atheist.”
Participation, not faith
Regina Fry loved going to church as a child. “There wasn’t anything about it I hated, or turned away from,” she says.” I found the sermons inspiring, but I never felt that I believed in God.”
She considered herself an agnostic for a few years, a phase described by several others at the table, but ultimately concluded she was an atheist — albeit a non-dogmatic one. “I don’t know if I can say I’m sure there’s no God, but I’m sure I don’t believe there’s a God,” she says.
Opposite the mild-mannered Fry sits Carolyn Dulai of Lansing, a former Green Party candidate for state senator who zeroes in on the sexual politics of religion with ferocious sarcasm.
“The Christians worship three males: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,” she says, using the nasal drone of a standup comedian. “Where’s the vagina? Even at the Hindu temple, five miles from me in Haslett, they had a big ceremony installing the penis. No vagina in sight.”
With a sheaf of materials under his arm and quietly bookish air, Rogers looks like he could be the group’s theoretician.
“My metaphor is geological erosion,” Rogers says. “I was given a mountain and gradually watched it wear away as I became more factually aware of the universe.”
Like most atheists, Rogers grew up in a religious tradition (Lutheran, in his case), but describes his role as “participation, not faith.”
“Even a child, I could see that religion wasn’t solving people’s problems for them,” he says. “In my teens, I began to realize there is a wonderful natural world out there that doesn’t require a theistic interpretation.”
“It wasn’t rebellion,” he insists. “I simply investigated the matter, discovered it to be wanting terribly, and elect to live my life that way.”
Rogers’ opposite number is Aaron Stuttman, a Lansing masseur and Green Party member who ran unsuccessfully for governor this year. Where Rogers looks as if he’s been reading intently under a fluorescent lights for decades, Stuttman leans backward insouciantly, with a California tan and new age language to match.
“I think I was allergic to church,” he says. “The few times I went, it was boring and disturbing. The energy was bad. The best metaphor I can think of is that is made me feel sick, it wasn’t healthy.”
No pitchforks
Rogers’ erosion metaphor struck a common chord with many atheists at the table. When Ziarno left home to attend college at Michigan Tech in the Upper Peninsula, he met and lived with people “of other religions, and those with no religion at all.”
“And, they didn’t have horns and a tail, and didn’t carry a pitchfork,” he says with a grin. “Slowly but surely, I really gave up the formalities of religion, and, eventually, all beliefs in religion and a God as some sort of a being.”
Like most people at the table, John Kelly, a retired state worker who lives in Lansing, was raised Catholic. He grew up in the Panama Canal Zone, where he came to admire the Franciscan nuns who taught him. “They were dynamic,” he recalls. “They did wonderful things for people.”
While in high school, Kelly fell in love with science. “Science was exciting,” he says. “Science made sense, whereas the dogma was just, ‘Take this on faith.’”
A period of denial followed. “I tried to become a Catholic again, I really did, but I realized after a point that it was to no avail,” he says. “I just didn’t believe.”
“For years, I’ve never really been out front about my feelings. Here I have a chance to be among people who are of like mind.”
Like Kelly, Kwart went through a “one last try” phase after falling in love with science in high school. “For a time I thought my faith in God was just weak and I needed to try harder believing,” he says. “I decided to read the Holy Bible in its entirety with an open mind.”
Instead of giving Kwart a stronger faith in God, scripture study had the opposite effect. “It became more obvious to me that the whole thing was made up by uneducated, superstitious people thousands of years ago,” he says.
Ever the conciliator, Kwart qualifies his statement. “I don’t think they were bad people,” he says. “They simply didn’t have the luxury of 500 years of accumulated science, as we have today.”
Floppy doubts
Despite different backgrounds and personal stories, a common thread linked every story told at the table that afternoon:
Nobody could name a teacher, guru, mentor, friend or family member who showed the way to atheism.
On the contrary, most pulled against strong family and cultural currents, plagued by awkward, floppy doubts they couldn’t tuck back into their brains.
Here, they can wear those thoughts proudly untucked, but many still worry about public perception.
“The word atheist carries a lot of shock value,” Rose says. “Not only is it highly provocative and widely misunderstood, it doesn’t begin to express the values I do cherish and live by.”
“We don’t have morals — that’s the typical belief people have,” Hong says.
In response, Rose ticks off more than a dozen cherished principles she’s not averse to calling “beliefs.”
“I believe in the power of reason, the non-aggression-principle, freedom and free will, and a moral code by which to live,” she says. “I believe every individual is important, and that every individual can and should make a positive difference in this world.”
Hong puts it more succinctly. “We believe in helping our fellow man,” he says.
“We just don’t pray for them."
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I have a dream that one day all that choose NOT to believe will be allowed the freedom to express their opinion without fear of public or private backlashing.
Men wish,
God wills..and performs. Me wish and hope..
The evolutionst has a link but no chain, to connect the link to, except insane philosophies of degenerate minds...
We all humans are in a degenerating state at present..
"Can't we understand that?"
In recent months, biologist Richard Dawkins and several other high-profile? philosophers and scientists fed up with religious fundamentalism have urged atheists? to come out of the closet. Judging by the current membership boom in Hong’s group, a lot of local atheists are doing just that.
There is nothing new under the sun...
No need to pay ANY attention to his idiotic drivel.
If we are in such a degenerate state as you suggest, Celesitals, then none of us can trust your ravings either, nor for that matter can we trust anything that anyone says or that anyone thinks about anything, including ourselves.
And that's how we know that GOD exists?
Drivel — pure drivel.
I am not an atheist with just my mouth. Most xians are "mouth xians" and I was one myself. I prayed and praised and went through the motions, and inside I was hurting and wondering why this loving god would not come to the aid of some dumb kid who was doing the best he could. No, I was neither a saint nor a theologian. I was on my knees before this god who was my last hope. And as the bible says, "Hope deferred makes the heart sick" (Look it up)
Well anonymous, I am pushing 60 now, got a few aches and pains, but life aint too bad. I am off my knees. It has been tough and I have the occasional relapse, but I can tell you that I am nevertheless a fervent atheist. Yes, I believe in what I am doing and thinking. It is called passion. Make your jokes if you must; call it a "religion" if you must, but I believe in me. I believe in every day I live. I believe in every breath I take.
Just a little joke as I exit: "To call atheism a religion is like calling not collecting stamps a hobby".
Is that your final degenerative word? Great, please go silp off into non-existence.
Our way of thinking came from years of observation, research, studying, and a voice inside us that said, "Something just is not quite right."
On the other hand, your way of thinking and that of all religious folks, comes from a blind acceptance of word of mouth. You never had a voice inside you tell you that in order to get to Heaven, you needed to believe in some god-man called Jesus. No entity came to your room in the night and with booming voice said, "Thou shall believe in ME, or I will send you to a fiery abyss of torture."
No, you have grown up in a Christian nation, and at one time or another had the "gospel" shared with you. You were influenced, came to believe, and later began trying to convince everyone else of this "truth". Your conversion did not come from years of study and research. Our belief required time, diligence,and repeat observation. Your conversion did not happen this way.
What Christian do you know that did a completely unbiased study into the origins of all the different religions and an unbiased study into science, and came out a Christian? Many AThiests, however, were religious to begin with and have first hand knowledge of the tenents of belief. Many Athiests sincerely tried to believe, and in many cases, actually DID believe what you do now, and after years of quieting that still, small voice, came to the inescapale conclusion that ALL religion, including YOURS, is painfully off the mark.
Now, here's the thing: I am NOT an Athiest. I can not shake the feeling that there is something else out there, but I refuse to put a label on that and demand others to believe it at the fear of Hell. I refuse to put a label to it and tell everyone else that they are erring in believing any other way. After years of heart-felt membership in your religious cult called "Christianity", and after years of diligent study, I am as certain as I can be in this flesh, that the Christian God is NOT the one.
Religion demands smugness, because even the most "humble" of Christians, believes that his/her way of thinking is Divinely inspired and the only truth that will save a person's soul. Even the most "humble" Christian who believes that the Bible is the inerrant, infallible, inspired "Word of God" says "Jesus loves you" with tongue in cheek, because what they mean, if they are honest and believe in their Bible, is that Jesus loves you, but if you don't love him, you are doomed to an everlasting pit of ass-fucking demons." THAT, my friend, is what CHristians should really say, but then Christians do not have the reputation of admitting to their mistakes until their foot is in their mouth or until they are caught red-handed with underaged itty-bitty titty in their other.
Every time you post, Celestial, I am left with a migraine from trying to muddle my way through your grammatical errors. I wish that you would take care to communicate your thoughts and opinions in an easily readable fashion. Until then, you should spend your energy trying to convert those that are ignorant to the hypocrisies and atrocities that your religion is plagued with.
If you are so certain of your beliefs and so proud of your religion, then why not identify yourself instead of hiding behind the veil of anonymity?
Just a thought.
I just wanted to respond to Anonymous Fundy, Celestial...whatever your name is:
You come on to these sites with your meager attempts at trying to convert and make us see the light of YOUR truth, when the TRUTH is, that if you would sit back and take your little book in your hand and use common sense, you would see that a loving God would not kill, maim, and torture other civilized people simply to defend a race of other people who call themselves Jews.
We are ALL children of god, if there is one, and unless he/she/it/they reveal his/her/itself/themselves to the entire human race, NOONE can claim to have a monopoly on the truth.
I'll end with this: Mark 16:17-18 says this: "These signs will accompany those who have believed in my name: They will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues. They will pick up serpants and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick and they will recover"
I have a challenge for you: My mother is dying of a rare genetic disease. I really want to believe in your God, so can you please come lay hands on my mother? If she recovers, I will know for sure that your God is the ONLY god.
If that doesn't work, I'll give you another chance to prove that your faith is the only God-inspired one. I will give you a glass of tea laced with enough arsenic to kill an approximately 220 lb. man (that should cover it). I want you to drink it, start praying, and see what happens. You will not be permitted to seek medical help (that would be cheating you dirty-birdie).
Now, if these two fail, I have one last opportunity for you to save face before the Almighty. Come to my house and after you are done laying hands on my mother, and drinking my Jim-Jones-juice, please lay hands on me and heal the Herpes that my father gave me when I was fourteen-years-old and woke up from a drug induced state that he put me in, to find my 350 lb. father reaming my ass! Apparantly, I wasn't a "true" believer, because I prayed for years, studied the Holy BABBLE every day, left my wife for JEEBUS, because I thought she was of the Devil for deconverting, despite the fact that she sacrificed her whole life for me, and had preachers in the "healing ministry" for over 20 years lay hands on me, as I wept and implored God to heal me of this disease that I did nothing to deserve, yet, every few months, I would break out with red-pussy bumbs that would itch and burn and act as a constant reminder that I was a filthy sinner undeserving of God's mercy and healing for whatever reason "He" saw just.
Since, those other preachers nor I were "real Christians", I just couldn't get a healing breakthrough, so I just thought that maybe, you could beseech God for me. Since you are a "true" Christian, I rest knowing that I will soon see deliverance from this little STD.
Oh, one more thing: The next time you are at the Quicky-Mart, and you glance over at that naughty FHM or Maxim magazine, and think your naughty thoughts, BEWARE, because in the famous words of Jeebus, "Adulters and murders will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven." Now, we both know that even looking upon a woman with lust is adultery in the eyes of God. REPENT, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near! WE both know that you thought about touching her with your penis in her girly parts. ITS HUMAN! Live with it.
NOW, GO, AND SIN NO MORE!
she wrote:
"Now, here's the thing: I am NOT an Athiest. I can not shake the feeling that there is something else out there, but I refuse to put a label on that and demand others to believe it at the fear of Hell."
There 'could be a god out there' or a supreme mover, but whatever it is, it does not need anything from us, it does not need our worship, it whatever "it" is, it existed long before we arrived without our worship or attention.
It does not look to us for fulfillment, it does not need us, we need it, whatever it is, but it does not need us to survive and continue on.
The ignorant buybull writters thought that "it" (their conception of god) needed us to worship it, to make "it" happy so as not to bring down it's angry wrath, like a storm or a flood or a pestilence.
Then they thought what is it that this perfect god dislikes?...hmmm let's see,(sin)...this god does not like sin, because he is perfect and does not sin, so now we have a reason to need forgiveness, we all sin, because we all fall short of the glory of god, because we are not a god ourselves, we fall short of being a god, so we must have been born in sin, because god was not born in sin, except Jesus the Christ was born in sin, except the emaculate god sperm was santified and cleansed of sin by the Holy Ghost (filtered) before it left Heaven on it's journey to Earth transported by a trustee angel (Gabriel) an earthly named angel...hmmm?
So Jesus was born in sin, unto this world did Jesus arrive into this world of sin, but that's ok! amen
Purely Satire!!
Now after reading your comments and my attempt at satire, how can anyone not be a committed true christian?....lol
We can see from celestials and other anonymous' posts the effect that religious beliefs has on the human brain. TC
What Jesus said himself in Matthew 5:29-30
"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell"
So all you Christian heterosexual warriors, keep that in mind. This is God's word, not mine. The next time you see a sexually explicit image on TV, the internet, magazines, etc... and get sexually aroused, you have just sinned. The Bible specifically states you must cut off your sex organ that is causing you to sin.
Do it, Christian Warriors, castrate yourself. You sinned - you may hide it from us, but the omnipotent God sees everything. Castrate yourself.
For our last meeting we watched a DVD of Dawkins "The Root of all Evil?" featuring the Rev. Ted Haggard. In Nov., our guest speaker was Dan Barker, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation which is located in Madison.
We have great discussions and have had many guest speakers from the University of Wisconsin's various science departments, atheists or agnostics all. The UW also has a student group of Atheists, Humanists and Agnostics aka AHA.
I would encourage people to start a group, even if you just meet at a coffee shop it's nice to get together with like-minded people.
I collect buttons, the kind with slogans, and my favorite one is "Just another souless atheist in search of world peace and harmony." My second favorite is "I found Jesus...he was hiding behind the sofa the whole time."
Happy Human Light!
You may say it, but it doesn't make it true.
A Merry Kriss-miss to all, and to all a good night!