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After resigning as head of a national evangelical group, Ted Haggard is removed from his New Life leadership post.

DENVER — An investigative committee of independent pastors concluded "without a doubt" on Saturday that the Rev. Ted Haggard had committed "sexually immoral conduct" and removed him from his duties as senior pastor at a mega-church in Colorado Springs, Colo.

The committee's decision took away Haggard's last position of church leadership — and cast doubt on his assertion that he had visited a male prostitute for a massage but never had sex with him.

Last week, Haggard resigned from the presidency of the 30-million member National Assn. of Evangelicals under allegations that he had a three-year sexual relationship with the man. Haggard also has said that he bought methamphetamine from the prostitute but did not use it.

The statement from New Life Church's investigative committee did not list the evidence the group considered. But the strong wording left little doubt that Haggard's conduct involved more than an illegal drug buy.

"It's not just about meth. It's not just about a massage. I guess that's what we are to infer," said the Rev. Richard Cizik, vice president of governmental affairs for the evangelical association.

"We all have to be humble and recognize that people — even our leaders — have feet of clay," Cizik said. "So we love. And we forgive."

A letter of explanation and apology from Haggard will be read at New Life services today. His wife of 28 years, Gayle Haggard, will also address the congregation. The couple have five children.

Haggard, 50, built the church after he said he experienced a vision during a three-day solitary fast on Pikes Peak, the majestic mountain that soars above Colorado Springs. Given to visions — he says he can see demons, and he sometimes speaks in tongues — Haggard preached his first sermon in his unfinished basement on a cold morning in January 1985. His pulpit was a stack of old buckets. His pews were lawn chairs.

From the start, the church — and its leader — broke the mold.

Haggard led ebullient worship services filled with song and dance; he prayed over names in the phone book; he sent his members out walking through Colorado Springs with instructions to pray for specific parcels of land. He wrote a tract about his goals with the title "Making It Hard for People to Go to Hell From Your City."

Haggard's exuberance and inveterate optimism began attracting crowds, and New Life outgrew one space after another.

Nearly 22 years after that first service, the church has a congregation of 14,000 and a huge complex on the edge of Colorado Springs. Each Easter, the sanctuary is transformed into a theater for an extravagant passion play with a cast of hundreds, live animals, Cirque du Soleil-style acrobats portraying angels — and special effects worthy of Broadway.

Telegenic and proud of his accomplishments, Haggard welcomed reporters to the church campus (though he did send out a memo cautioning congregants to refrain from dancing in the aisles and speaking in "glassy-eyed heavenly mode" when TV cameras were rolling). His openness with the media only raised his profile further.

"He is probably one of the top five most prominent evangelicals in America and therefore in the world," said Ted Olsen, news director for the evangelical magazine Christianity Today. "Hardly a day went by where we did not see Haggard quoted by someone. It was pretty rare for him not to have an opinion."

Through their sorrow and bewilderment this past week, church members have been quick to say that the scandal will not bring down New Life — or shake their faith.

"This is a pruning, in a sense," said Patty VanTassel, 50. "New Life Church is not about Ted Haggard. It's about God … and rescuing people from sin."

Many others have repeated a variation of that line: We don't worship Ted Haggard; we worship God.

But Charles Chandler, who runs a support program for ousted preachers, said mega-churches like New Life sometimes put their pastors on a pedestal. The ministers are more than spiritual leaders; they're almost rock stars — their images beamed on enormous television screens as they preach, their books sold front and center in the lobby, their photos plastered across church websites.

"People almost put you on a throne," Chandler said. "You're vulnerable when that happens. You can take yourself too seriously."

In his group, Ministering to Ministers, Chandler has seen some pastors behave immorally in a gesture of what he calls "professional suicide."

"They can't handle the pressure, but they can't bring themselves to step down, so they do something stupid," he said. Others struggle with sexual or chemical addictions for years — and preach mightily about that very subject to try to cover up, Chandler said.

"They don't want to recognize that it's part of their life," said Chandler, who is based in Richmond, Va.

When caught, Chandler said, a minister's instinct often is not to confess, but to deny, as Haggard did when he was confronted with questions about the prostitute, Mike Jones. The pastor said at first that he did not know Jones. Later, after Jones released voice mail messages he said were from Haggard, the pastor acknowledged that he had visited the prostitute for a massage and bought methamphetamine from him.

The church's board of overseers said Saturday that they would "continue to explore the depth of Pastor Haggard's offense so that a plan of healing and restoration can begin."

Haggard's friends and followers are praying for that restoration. "God alone is judge, and he has the power to heal, restore and bring some good out of this," Cizik said. "It's hard to believe that there could be good of this. But that's a biblical promise."

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Booyah.


Blogger Avie said...
This made my Sunday. :D Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, in my not-so-humble opinion.

Not only did he have homosexual relations (there's nothing wrong with them, btw, unless you stand up in front of thousands of people and declare homosexuality to be immoral) and buy drugs, but he lied about them. Furthermore, we can add stupidity to the list of charges. He went to a known male prostitute only for a massage? Riiiight. He bought meth but didn't use it? Uh-huh. Y'know...this sort of lie didn't work for Bill "I-never-inhaled-or-had-relations-with-that-woman" Clinton, so why did he even think it was going to work for him? What a stupid, pathetic loser.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good! I hope it helps destoy many peoples faith in this garbage religion! I feel for all the niave folk who gave their money to this church and this scandrel who inturn bought a male hooker and drugs.


Blogger steamboat_willey said...
The meth is irrelevant also (I'm waiting for evidence to surface that Haggart habitually used hallucinogens).

The key lesson to be drawn here is that the churches place moral proscription on acts that are in no way injurious to others. Conventionalists accept those proscriptions because they can be found in a dusty old book and ministers say those laws still apply (while others in the book don't).

Fundamentalists say they all still apply because divine law is immutable.

The ancient moral code, whether filtered or not, is proposed arbitrarily and accepted subjectively. The supposed authorities who uphold that code and the subjects who accept it all practice the proscribed acts with the same frequency and distribution as unbelievers. They just consider them sins that must be kept in the closet and forgiven by a god through a scapegoat.

My feet are made neither of iron nor clay. They are made of flesh and bone. I will neither uphold the code with an iron will or crumble beneath the weight of it, and I don't accept the authority or honesty of any person who ever claimed to communicate with a god and receive those prosciptions. My actions are only good when they contribute to my own happiness, and they can only be objected to if they do injury to others.


Blogger xrayman said...
In a certain sense he is not unlike serial killer Jeffery Dahmer. Dahmer was a closet homosexual who lothed homosexuals and killed them, where as Haggard is obviously too, a closet homosexual, who instead of murdering them he just publicly slammed them on his high and mighty pulpit. When are the stupid fucking followers of these religious icons going to realize that money, power, and religion never mix. If you are going to worship the invisible man in the sky, go to a quaint little church and give your money to them.

The huge money making relgious industry like Haggard headed, is like the drug trade. There would be no drug dealers if it weren't for the drug buyers, and there would be no mega churches and multi millionare preachers if there weren't a steady flow of morons giving them money. Why can't people just stop with the tithing, and put these hucksters out of business?


Anonymous San Diego Bob said...
I believe the investigating committee used the military resource determin Haggards guilt, to wit:

It doesn't matter which end of the whistle you're on - you're guility.


Anonymous San Diego Bob said...
I believe the investigating committee used the military resource to determine Haggards guilt, to wit:

"It doesn't matter which end of the whistle you're on - you're guility."


Blogger freeman said...
Haggard has just admitted to being a liar, deceiver and to being sexually immoral!

Please, oh please do not let his wife stand by him. He needs his world destroyed, just has he has tried to destroy other people's worlds.

If ever there was to be a gay bashing, it should be the gays who bash him, severly!


Blogger freeman said...
Does morality come from morons?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ted said:
“The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There’s a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life,” he said.
This fits 99% of Christians also! not that they are gay but that they are decievers and living lifes of lies>


Blogger Bentley said...
The dear sweet-God-called-spirit-filled-Pastor-Ted will just disappear for a while and fast and pray and take the low road to Damascus and come back a new creature in christ and he'll make a bigger comeback and the congregation will forgive him and he will back in the pulpit preaching and crying and begging just like Jim Swaggart and he will be viewed upon as having won Triumph over Satan and will have conquered the evils of the flesh.

We must remember these people (fundies) are cultists, they are brainwashed and taught to Forgive and not Judge (especially themselves)nor anyone claiming to be a prophet or apostle of their make-believe god.

Ted won't be down long, he needs admiration and false praise just like all the other preachers, every single one of them caught has came back in some arena of religion and back preaching.

Christians cannot sin, becuase they have a loophole called Jesus, God's handy man side-kick, Jesus forgives all sins, no sin is too big for Jesus to forgive, in fact to Chrustians the bigger the sin the more Jesus loves them, notice Ted didn't seem to be surprized nor disappionted upon his discovery by the media.

It's really sad, I noticed the other churches going full steam this Sunday morning, had they all not been brainwashed, all churches would have said, wait a minute, a mighty God-called leader has fallen, lets take a look at our doctrine, lets examine where a leak in the Holy Spirit may cause some of us to fall sway to the evils of the flesh....lol BS

The churches never skipped a beat!!!!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ol' Teddy will go through his spiritual rehab and then write a book about it and hit the Christian talk circuit and come back stronger than ever...but this time he'll accept the fact that he's gay and push for gay rights and start a Gay Church. LOL


Blogger xrayman said...
You've gotta give Jim Baker some credit, at least he was caught fucking a fairly decent looking young lady, where as Jimmy Swaggart was jerking off to a nasty street ho, and of course Ted oh Ted, a muscular gay prostitute. Teddy was definately the girl of the relationship.

One thing about old Jim Baker is the fact that he fell off the face of the earth never to return, let's hope the same is true for Rev. Haggard. The sad thing about it is right now Barbara Walters, Katie Couric, Stone Phillips and all the A list interviewers are all doing battle to get the first post homosexual liasion interview. He will probably some how make money off this whole deal. Jim Baker fucked up in the wrong era.


Blogger Bentley said...
Unfortunately Jim Bakker is going strong in Branson MO. He's probally already a multi-millionare.

http://www.jimbakkershow.com/


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
The public rhetoric is downplaying Ted's influence on, or involvement with, the White House. I believe the operative phrase I've heard is along the lines that Ted has been on one or two teleconferences with the White House, one of many religious leaders.

Fortunately, about a year ago, an interesting story entitled "Soldiers of the Cross"was printed in Harper's Magazine.

Here's an excerpt: "Pastor Ted, who talks to President George W. Bush or his advisers every Monday, is a handsome forty-eight-year-old Indianan, most comfortable in denim. He likes to say that his only disagreement with the President is automotive; Bush drives a Ford pickup, whereas Pastor Ted loves his Chevy. In addition to New Life, Pastor Ted presides over the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), whose 45,000 churches and 30 million believers make up the nation's most powerful religious lobbying group, and also over a smaller network of his own creation, the Association of Life-Giving Churches, 300 or so congregations modeled on New Life's “free market” approach to the divine. "

Anyway, I thought the entire article was interesting. Click here to read "Soldiers of the Cross" in its entirety.


Blogger xrayman said...
What Jim Baker has a show? You've got to be shitting me. Obviously his exwife keeps popping up a time or two, but I had no idea Jim was doing a thing.

The first voice I heard in bed this morning after leaving the TV in my bedroom on all night was Jimmy Swaggert. That prick was on the airwaves this fine Sunday morning. These guys just won't go away.


Anonymous Evelyn said...
Hoist by his own petard, yeah!

I can't believe the inquiry committee fired him so quickly, whew. I expected them to take a month or two.

Alas, 'tis true, the more someone rails against something, the more likely it is a characteristic they can't stand in themselves.


Anonymous Fwee said...
What's funny is that you only ever hear this:

""We all have to be humble and recognize that people — even our leaders — have feet of clay," Cizik said. "So we love. And we forgive.""

whenever it's one of their own. It's usually the first "swish" of the broom right before they sweep it all under the rug.


Anonymous JT the Dawg Whisperer said...
First and Foremost Pastor Ted Haggard has to realize that he is GAY! GAY! GAY! GAY! GAY! QUEER! QUEER! QUEER! QUEER! OK Straight guys usually do not go to male prostitutes for massages and gay guys usually don't go to hot naked chics for massages either. It just does not happen. Secondly he has to come clean with his wife and tell her about all the guys he has been with in the past and all the unprotected sex he has had with gay prostitutes so that she can get tested for HIV and other diseases ASAP. Like I said before she will probably have to get tested every six months for the next 5 Years!! Thirdly Pastor Ted has to stop running from who he truly is. He needs to stop all of this running around lying to himself and hurting his family. He needs to someday Apologize to himself, his wife, his church, the gay community and find a partner who loves him and appreciates him for who he truly is and not this LIE of a human being he is hiding behind.


Blogger boomSLANG said...
Easy, eeeeasy, Mr. Dawg Whisperer....let's not call names...after all, this poor man is under the influence of the "Devil", therefore, he knows not what he does. Besides, name-calling is not Christ-like, nor will it cure him of his homosexual tendencies.....

....but this sure will:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

(bold used without permission)


Anonymous JT the VAGINA whisperer said...
Right again Boomslang and thats why we love you!!! I was probably expecting and wishing for too much in my previous comments. I just wish the guy would come back to reality and face who he truly is. I mean some of us are fish and clam lovers while others are pole riders. Pastor Ted is a Pole rider and needs to face that part of reality. He likes the big hard POLE and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He really needs to get off his Fundy high horse!


Blogger south2003 said...
Sweet!!

Another one bites the dust!


Anonymous Dano said...
If 30 million evangelicals couldn't find anyone more believable to lead them, other than that whacko, Ted Whatshisname, who has "self serving weirdo" written all over him, can there be any hope for this country?

I mean we have 30 million Americans here, who have turned their brains in at the door where their particular cult meets, and support strange looking goofballs like this in a style befitting royalty, in exchange for a brief, fleeting, feeling, that there is an old guy with magical powers looking out for them. Even though they see on the news every day stories of great suffering by humans all over this planet.

Our "loving" creator doesn't give a shit about starving, and diseased people, suffering every kind of injustice imaginable, or HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!.

You want to get rich? Shit, there are 30 million airheads out there who will give you anything you want, if you tell them that "God sent you"
Dano (Agnosticdiestathiest)


Blogger south2003 said...
"Haggard, 50, built the church after he said he experienced a vision during a three-day solitary fast on Pikes Peak, the majestic mountain that soars above Colorado Springs. Given to visions — he says he can see demons, and he sometimes speaks in tongues"

NOW we know how the bible was written. This guy could be the next Moses....LMAO!


Blogger Bentley said...
The only problem with this article and these posts and commments are, that the people that really need to be reading them have their heads stuck up Jesus's ass!


Blogger Nvrgoingbk said...
That's right Bently, and if it was one of us found to be committing fraud or sexual misconduct, homosexuality, etc. than our behavior would be counted among the sins of the heathen. It would be completely typical of our nature since we don't know Jeebus and all. Everyone knows that Jeebus makes you a new creature.

Now when a pastor or spiritual leader commits acts of indecency or dishonesty, well HELLO, it's because he/she is being tempted by Lucifer. THEIR feet are made of clay. THEY are only human. THEY are saved by grace. They can repent, hibernate for awhile, and come back to lead a congregation of thousands, but if one of us commits only the sin of unbelief, we are damned to the eternal flames with Ghandi, no matter the upright life we led.

What a crock of shit! :p


Anonymous Lorena said...
Dano:
" If 30 million evangelicals couldn't find anyone more believable to lead them, other than that whacko, Ted Whatshisname, who has "self serving weirdo" written all over him, can there be any hope for this country?"

Where on eath have you been, Dano? Geezz. Don't you go disappearing like that.

Yeah! He is a weirdo. Even in my fundy days I wouldn't have followed him. He just looked fake when he was screaming upstage.


Anonymous Leonard said...
It may be petty, but I am smiling like an idiot at this whole thing.

FUCK YOU, you dirty, hypocritical piece of shit. They should have dragged you out in the street and fucking stone you. You disgusting, two-faced lying cunt.

sic semper rectumis
(Thus with all assholes).


Anonymous Anonymous said...
From today's Los Angeles Times, page A3:

"Covering a big election 'gives you chills,' says ABC's Charles Gibson."

Too which I'm tempted to add:

"I quite agree," says the Rev. Ted Haggard. "Oh, wait, did you say eLection? Never mind."


Anonymous Dano said...
Lorena said...
"Where on earth have you been, Dano? Geezz. Don't you go disappearing like that."
11/06/2006 6:54 PM

Dan replies:
Hi Lorena! Yea I let my anti religious nut fervor, wane awhile cause my brain slipped down into the normal position for us dirty old guys, but i encountered an example of the devastation that the Judea Christian Mythology brainwashing can wreak upon the sexual attitudes of otherwise normal happy human females, so now I am back to explaining the unintelligent design of the human race to those who gave up thinking, in return for that "Deer caught in the headlights" look that Ted Haggard's wife had on that news clip, on TV.

Good to see that you are still suffering the excruciating mental anguish exacted upon those who give up their relationship with Jesus, and all you got in return, was your brain back!

Dano, (Homo Sapiens, ex-mytholigist)


Anonymous steamboat_willey said...
This is the same man who, just a couple of weeks ago, asked the Speaker of the House to resign because of the Foley scandal.

I hope the Speaker told him, "Article VI, Section 3. Go to Hell."


Anonymous Warnepiece said...
In Monday’s LA Times, regarding the fall of Ted Haggard, and the reading of his letter to the congregation on Sunday, it states “Afterward, in the lobby, many worshippers echoed Parsley’s words. Some were angry at Haggard; many were bewildered. But all said their faith was not shaken; it was renewed”!
Why is it whenever one of these pricks gets caught doing exactly what they rail against, it renews the faith of the sheep? I’d really like to know how that works.
“Hey, look at how the glory of god works in our lives. Our pastor got caught! Thank you Jesus. This proves you are real and I rededicate my life to you thanks to this hypocrisy!”
The truly irritating part is, just like Peter Popov, Robert Tilton and the other exposed religious scumbags, Pastor Ted will be back in a year or two with a 3 AM Christian infomercial selling pieces of the real “Cross of Calvary” to the eternally stupid!


Blogger Fallen Angel said...
warnepiece asked:

"Why is it whenever one of these pricks gets caught doing exactly what they rail against, it renews the faith of the sheep? I’d really like to know how that works."

That's an easy one! When the mighty fall from grace, there's a moment when the house of cards the rank-and-file believers live in begins to totter. A house of cards is better then no house at all, and they panic when they start looking at what the whole thing is made of. As it begins to shudder and shake, they begin to doubt, and it scares the hell out of them! That's when they all reach out to one another for support and reaffirmation that their faith is justified.

If truth be known, people trapped in fundamentalism secretly like to see the mighty fall, because it makes them feel holier than the guy who got caught. They believe it was god who brought him down to humble him, so of course, their faith is strengthened.

(By the way, if this makes sense to you, you haven't drunk enough Tequila!


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
A facinating article on this case can be viewed by clicking here.

An excerpt: The 49-year-old Jones came to my office early one Friday morning and slowly spilled his story. He talked about growing up in Denver (his family has lived here for generations), about his work as a personal trainer and a model and a male escort. He talked generally of a client list -- 80 percent married men, he estimated -- that included sports figures and businessmen and politicians and one man, "Art," whom he'd been seeing about once a month for three years but had only recently realized was a prominent Colorado Springs minister. A minister who preached that homosexuality was a sin. A hypocrite.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
More, from another article:

Jones says he had a three-year sexual relationship with Haggard. From his perspective, it was all business, he said.

But Wednesday morning Jones said he believes Haggard may have loved him, and said Haggard begged the escort to keep seeing him even as Jones quit his other clients.

"Please, please, Mike, can I still call you?" Jones said Haggard asked.


Anonymous Warnepiece said...
Dammit! No wonder I haven't been able to make heads or tails out of the issue of the "renewal of faith of the sheep". I've been drinking scotch!
But thank you Fallen Angel. When I read that kind of stuff, I want to find those barnyard nitwits and go Baaaaaa....Baaaaaaa....Baaaaaaaaa!


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