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News of interest to former Christians
A Columbus, Ohio pastor was found guilty of three sex charges with children Friday in Franklin County Common Pleas Court, and may learn his sentence on Monday.
The Rev. Maurice L. Jackson, pastor of New Generation Church, 1173 Essex Ave., had been accused of having sexual contact about nine years ago with a girl who then was 7 or 8 and engaging in sex about eight years ago with a relative who then was about 14. Jackson was 22 when the latter offense was said to have occurred.
After about 12 hours of deliberation over two days, a seven-woman, five-man jury returned guilty verdicts on two counts of gross sexual imposition and one count of corruption of a minor. Jackson could face up to 11 ½ years for the convictions.
Duty Judge Richard S. Sheward revoked Jackson's bond and placed him in jail until Monday, when trial Judge Charles A. Schneider returns to decide when to sentence Jackson.
The defense said the charges had been built on “lies and revenge” because Jackson had removed the older girl from the church's praise team.
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The Rev. Maurice L. Jackson, pastor of New Generation Church, 1173 Essex Ave., had been accused of having sexual contact about nine years ago with a girl who then was 7 or 8 and engaging in sex about eight years ago with a relative who then was about 14. Jackson was 22 when the latter offense was said to have occurred.
After about 12 hours of deliberation over two days, a seven-woman, five-man jury returned guilty verdicts on two counts of gross sexual imposition and one count of corruption of a minor. Jackson could face up to 11 ½ years for the convictions.
Duty Judge Richard S. Sheward revoked Jackson's bond and placed him in jail until Monday, when trial Judge Charles A. Schneider returns to decide when to sentence Jackson.
The defense said the charges had been built on “lies and revenge” because Jackson had removed the older girl from the church's praise team.
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This is getting beyond a joke, at this rate i'd reccomend lobbying to have anyone who becomes a preist instantly added to the sex offenders register just to make sure.
Excerpt on the life of Dr. Shipman:
"His patients - mainly elderly women - were living alone and vulnerable. They adored their doctor, Harold "Fred" Shipman.
Even when their contemporaries began dying in unusually high numbers, patients remained loyal to the murderous M.D.
For as long as he spared them, his victims loved their doctor — to death."
"Interred just 5 weeks earlier in the Hyde cemetery, the 81-year-old ex-mayoress held, in death, the key to solving nearly 400 murders. This would give killer Dr. Harold Shipman the dubious distinction of being the greatest serial murderer the world has ever known.
"...In spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, he continues to maintain his innocence."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/shipman/dead_1.html
"Harold Shipman remains a diagnostic mystery - and he's still not talking. His wife has vowed to stand by him and some of his more loyal patients have said that they'd still trust him with their lives."
http://www.shotsmag.co.uk/Killer%20on%20the%20Ward.htm
A man in a position of trust, adored by many, trusted by all his patients - all the way to their death bed.
Anonymous, you "choose" to believe in your pastor, not because you have "knowledge" of his every waking moment. Your choice to believe in your pastor, resides on the same foundation you choose to believe in a god you have never met - faith.
Faith, isn't based on "truth", its based on desire. This pastor may be innocent, or maybe not, either way, "faith" isn't going to provide you with the knowledge to gain that answer.
I will never understand what motivates pastor worship.
(kidding, boomSLANG)
http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/09/16/20060916-C3-00.html
As you will see at the end of the article:
No physical evidence was presented in the trial, which began Monday, so it boiled down to a matter of credibility of the defendant and his accusers, said defense attorney Christopher Cooper. He and Crysta R. Pennington represented the pastor.
County Prosecutor Ron O’Brien agreed that it came down to credibility and, "in this case, the jury sided with the victims."
There was no evidence presented in the case. 12 jurors found someone guilty based on someone’s words only – as stated by BOTH the defense and prosecuting attorneys.
Furthermore, this is not the first time this accuser has made this type of accusation against clergy. What is the likelihood of that? Really?
Case in point, it is clearly stated that there was NO EVIDENCE to corroborate these allegations.
Hmmm....'you mean, like there is no evidence for the case for God's existance, right?
Anony: "12 jurors found someone guilty based on someone’s words only"
12 gazillion people found God to exist based on someone's words only.
Which way do you want it?... because you can't have both.
I thought this was a conversation about a MAN and a TRIAL. When were we talking about God and the truth of His existence or non-existence.
YOU can't have it both ways either. Either you stand for a system that requires EVIDENCE to convict someone and it reflects in your religious and personal convictions OR those religious and personal convictions would follow into political and legal beliefs, where you would support people being convicted and sentenced on hearsay alone.
No evidence, no witnesses - how can you convict?
Also, many people would say that there IS evidence for the existence of God and Jesus Christ, but I digress - this conversation was about a man who stood trial and was convicted on hearsay.
Stanley, the comment you made is so UNTRUE. Every HUMAN BEING is accountable for what they do, whether they're a Christian or not and if they commit a crime, they are punishable by the same law that the rest of the world is. The point here is that NO MAN, whether Christian or not, should be convicted without evidence or corroborating witnesses, because (otherwise)too many people can lie.
We should be prayerful and steadfast and hope that the truth prevails and lies and deceit will be exposed.
I do not believe that Pastor Jackson committed the crimes for which he’s been convicted and I stand behind him! Without evidence, I cannot eradicate my support. There seems to be even more evidence to the tainted credibility of his accusers right now, and I cannot stand behind stories and gossip.
Yeah, it is.... a man, a trial, and just because YOU assume he's innocent, let's not toss the accusers/victims under the bus quite yet, 'k? Yes, any time someone is wrongfully convicted it is a tragedy---on the other hand, this is ALSO true when a guilty person walks...::cough::..O.J. Realistically, only the accused and accuser(s) know the truth, right? Well, you would think so---however, Homey was representin'---he's a "man of God", so presumably, his omniscient, omnipresent, and "JUST" Highness SURELY should've known the truth all along, right? Right---and let's not forget that God snapped his "fingers" and made 125 BILLION gallaxies....so SURELY Mr."Omnipotent" should've been able to intervene in a puny trial to see to it that one of his own "Holy" representatives didn't get caught up in a mere mortal's imperfect justice system.(Well, at least a reasonable person would think so.) Notwithstanding, that's clearly NOT what we see, is it? No, as long as your sloth-of-a-deity sits his ass on the side lines and let's innocent people get locked up, and guilty people walk---or worse, LET'S rape, molestations, murder, etc...happen to begin with, it looks like we're stuck with an imperfect legal system, doesn't it? Boo f%cking hoo. I know this: The success rate of our legal system is higher than the success rate for "Divine" intervention from your biblegod.
Anony: "Either you stand for a system that requires EVIDENCE to convict someone and it reflects in your religious and personal convictions OR those religious and personal convictions would follow into political and legal beliefs, where you would support people being convicted and sentenced on hearsay alone."
I find it amusing when Christians demand "evidence", that's all. Thee end. Furthermore, please don't talk to me about church/state separation, it's you and your religious ilk who want the ten commandments plastered at the courthouse entrance. And what book is it that we "swear on" in the court room? 'Got theocracy?
Anony: "When were we talking about God and the truth of His existence or non-existence."
We were talking about "God and the truth of His existance" the minute YOU replied to my post.... and BTW, when were you ever under obligation to respond to my post? Exactly, that's what I thought.
Anony: "Also, many people would say that there IS evidence for the existence of God and Jesus Christ.."
Yeah, Bigfoot trackers would say that there is "evidence" for community gorillas---so?
I have never seen PJ in his office without other people surrounding him, and people walk in and out all the time. As for his conviction, if it was based on evidential proponents, I would be more likely to believe the allegations, but the verdict came without evidence.
Have we not recently been inundated with former convicts being released from prison due to DNA and other physical evidences attesting to their innocence? Were these not people who were previously INCORRECTLY convicted by a jury of 12? So why should I believe in anyone’s innocence or guilt based on the opinions of 12 people when this system has failed so many times before? No evidence was offered and I rest my case here.
Please don’t put me into this category. Personally, I could care less if the ten commandments were at the courthouse entrance or not. It’s a small matter in the grand scheme of things.
“We were talking about "God and the truth of His existance" the minute YOU replied to my post....”
Why is that? I didn’t mention God in my reply to you, I was merely speaking out that this conviction was rendered without supporting evidence.
“and BTW, when were you ever under obligation to respond to my post?” No, not under any obligation, and I’m not regretful about replying to your post, so I guess I’m not sure why you made this comment. I was just thrown off as to why this turned into a debate about God. I just took a wild guess that no reasonable person would want anybody to be convicted with a lack of evidence to support such a conviction.
“Yeah, Bigfoot trackers would say that there is "evidence" for community gorillas---so?”
It is up to each individual to asses the evidence for each and make a decision based on that evidence. You might have just as well said, “Since I don’t believe in the evidence for Bigfoot, I don’t believe in God”. The evidence for Bigfoot is not the same evidence offered for the existence of God. However, it would make much more sense if you were to say, “The evidence that I have seen for the existence of God is not sufficient to make be believe.” And you are well within your rights to say that and be respected regardless of your beliefs. I am merely asking the same.
I still can’t see how one can say that I must believe that this man is guilty, simply because you declare that there is a lack of evidence for God. Please advise how this would logically follow…..
"I have sat under the leadership of Pastor Maurice Jackson for 14 years and I can not and will not believe that this man has molested anyone. He has been a great pastor and I hate for him and his family to go through this over some mess....How can you convict anyone with no evidence and based on his character...Those 12 jurors don't know his character and to convict someone you do not know based on his character is ludicrous...I don't believe he done this because he is too anointed and powerful and it would make God out to be lie to instill all this anointing in and use this man the way he does....Pastor Jackson is a leader who exemplifies how we should live a christ like life---I'm not saying he is perfect but he does have a christ like character and I have been blessed to sit under his leadership these 14 years....I will continue to support him and I hope justice will prevail and they release this man so he can about God's work....And for the one's who has falsely accused this man I pray that you are able to withstand everything you have coming your way because you will pay for what you have done to God's servant...The bible says TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED ONE AND DO MY PROFIT NO HARM so be careful...God's wrath is something I hope I never have to experience....I love you Pastor Jackson and I hope you will be home soon.... "
Those exact words very similar were spoken to me some years back by my parents, about their GOD-CALLED-JESUS-ANNOINTED-ANGELIC-PROPHET-PASTOR and they begged me and my wife to come to their God-Blessed-Holy-Church to hear this man's On-Fire-For-Jesus powerful God-called message. We never went...ha ha ha!!!
But one morning this 54 year old God called prophet of Jesus was discovered by his wife of 32 years to be in bed having sex with a 21 year old girl.
There is no way this man could have done this, all his faithful unrelenting followers harkened!!!
Yet this false-prophet of Jesus got up and apologised and they all forgave this man and they could find no fault in him, and they chose to keep him on, but in his own disgrace, he volunteered to leave the church, they soon replaced him with another self-elected, self-appointed, self-acclaimed-prophet of Jesus Wayward Baffoon and they still go to that Jesus zombie brainwashing clinic, to this very day and I have never stepped on the property, nor have I been (very proudly) to a church anywhere, since!!!
I have no envy for your religious Jesus cult! There's no grandeur in living in man's cultivated lies and fantasies!
I plead for you Christians to open your eyes and give up the false folly you find so much childhood comfort in.
Jesus supposedly said; ye shall retun as babes, mindless wondering infants, and now I control your every thought and wallet!
(Please don't miss the sarsasm)
Naah, turning our nation into a theocracy is never a "small matter". If moderate Christianity isn't part of the solution, then it's part of the problem. **As I said, I find it amusing to sit here and see complaints about circumstantial evidence in the courtroom, when we are forced to swear on a document by which there is only circumstantial evidence to it's veracity. Slightly hypocritical. End of story. If you feel this conversation has gone off on an irrelevant tangent?...you have every right to ignore said posts, just as I have every right to jump in where I see fit.
Anony: "I didn’t mention God in my reply to you, I was merely speaking out that this conviction was rendered without supporting evidence."
Right, and my conclusion still stands: ***The jury found the evidence, albeit circumstantial, convincing enough to convict---just like the accused finds the circumstantial evidence in the Holy Bible enough to be a representative of a "God". He took on the role as a PASTOR, not as an icecream man. I'm sure any intelligent person would know the risks of such a position.
Anony: "It is up to each individual to asses the evidence for each and make a decision based on that evidence. You might have just as well said, 'Since I don’t believe in the evidence for Bigfoot, I don’t believe in God'."
Right on the money!--that's EXACTLY why I don't believe in God!....the same reason I don't believe in Bigfoot; the same reason YOU don't believe in Allah, Zeus, and a host of other non-existant things. Is the bible "evidence" for your Jesus? Yes?...perfect, then the Holy Quran is "evidence" for Muhammad.... and National Bigfoot Tracker is "evidence" for man-apes. So let's swear on the Holy Quran instead, and see how that flies, shall we?
Anony: "However, it would make much more sense if you were to say, 'The evidence that I have seen for the existence of God is not sufficient to make be believe.' And you are well within your rights to say that and be respected regardless of your beliefs. I am merely asking the same."
Notice there are no conditions attached to my non-belief. And if in fact you are a Christian, bare in mind that this is an EX-christian website, so expect to get challenged.
Anony: "I still can’t see how one can say that I must believe that this man is guilty, simply because you declare that there is a lack of evidence for God. Please advise how this would logically follow….."
Who said you "must believe" he's guilty? Who said the legal system is perfect? See here **, and here*** above.
Anony, it seems to me your issue should be with this guy:
"MAURICE MUST NOT HAVE BEEN TOO INNOCENT IF HE WAS FOUND GUILTY.REMEMEBER WHAT YOU DO IN THE DARK SHALL COME OUT IN THE LIGHT..."GOD" SAID THAT.I WATCHED THE STORY ON THE NEWS AND I PRAYED TO "GOD" AND ASKED HIM TO BRING OUT THE TRUTH AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW MAURICE WAS FOUND GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!! "
Well, if he was innocent, wouldn't the TRIAL be best time for "truth" to prevail? Or maybe God's ADHD got him distracted from defending his holy "man of the cloth".
Jesus also said, that Mary said, that God said, that this man Maurice umm, his heart is dripping with sin and it needs to be cleansed.
Jesus also said, that Mary said, that God said, that he told Satan that, what Maurice uh Jackson needs is a good old fashion soul annointing, holy ghost cleansing, spirit moving, soul saving, grace giving, tithe giving, dowsed in the spirit, gospel revealing, spirit filled, body of Christ, heart of Christ, mind of Christ, sick healing, heart wrenching, dog pissing, pig snorting, Jew whipping, bone cracking, tree branch hanging!!!
Can I get an Amen from all the anonymous Christians???
They know this man up in heaven, he's a man of God, just like all preachers are!!!
Um, his god didn't help him NOT get in this mess, what makes you think he'll help him now? Nonetheless, let's all bow our heads:
Dear El, or heavenly father---please fly down here and have Pastor Jackson cleared of ALL charges by tomorrow, noon. In your name we pray, Amen.
Let's see what happens.
Please list below something that God has done to help any one person.
That you can prove with physical evidence.
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We don't know what kind of evidence and testimony the jurors were exposed to, but it had to be extremely convincing to convict this guy. I also wonder why the victims waited so long to say anything. It's possible they believed other children would be targeted and therefore tried to get this guy off the streets. As someone who has been molested as a child, I chose not say anything about it. I can't say that I did the right thing, because these two men will go to their graves unpunished for ruining a large portion of my life. I would hate to ever learn that I wasn't their only victim and that I could have prevented someone else from getting abused.
M.
**tsk** She never read about Moses...how he pillaged the cities but kept the virgins for booty.....LMAO
The point is, when a pastor is charged with something of this nature, people tend to believe it out of hand because he’s a pastor. It’s sad, but it’s true.
County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien agreed that it came down to credibility and, 'in this case, the jury sided with the victims.'"(link)
Apparently the good pastor didn't have enough credibility to convince the jury of his alleged innocence. However, since our justice system allows for numerous appeals, he'll have more chances to present his case.
Having said that, this will undoubtedly help to foster the persecution complex many American Christians seem to have. For that reason, it would have been better for the prosecution to present physical evidence. It wouldn't change anything, but at least his position (and that of his supporters) would be indefensible.
"Dear El, our heavenly father---please fly down here and have Pastor Jackson cleared of ALL charges by tomorrow, noon. In your name we pray, Amen."
I would imagine that your prayer is similar to this one, is it not? Nonetheless, Jesus is either blatantly ignoring all prayers said on the behalf of this Pastor---or Jesus doesn't exist. It's a no brainer. God doesn't exist. Your time on your knees would be better spent polishing some "stuff".
It also says what dealings do light have with darkness unless it is to bring one out of darkness. For all the believers who "post comments" there is nothing to defend. Let God deal with the situation accordingly.
We know who Pastor Jackson is and what he stood for. We have nothing to prove. Our eyes are to stay on Christ and look for his return. For those who judge this man, you cause that same judgment to be poured back on you and remember we ALL have skeletons in our closets. Regardless if it were 10 years ago, 10 months ago or even 10 minutes ago. We ALL have fallen short...
May God continue to prick your heart and remind you of what He has called you to do. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
Marie
Detroit, MI
It also says what dealings do light have with darkness unless it is to bring one out of darkness. For all the believers who "post comments" there is nothing to defend. Let God deal with the situation accordingly.
We know who Pastor Jackson is and what he stood for. We have nothing to prove. Our eyes are to stay on Christ and look for his return. For those who judge this man, you cause that same judgment to be poured back on you and remember we ALL have skeletons in our closets. Regardless if it were 10 years ago, 10 months ago or even 10 minutes ago. We ALL have fallen short...
May God continue to prick your heart and remind you of what He has called you to do. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
Marie
Detroit, MI
He was a fine upstanding member of the community, most likely a professed Christian and a member of a church!!!!
Why would anyone falsely accuse a big powerful MAN OF GOD??? No fullwell that they will be sent directly to hell for making false accusations and against a fullfledged boni fide MAN OF GOD???
Why just look at these wonderful God Sent Prophets Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Peter Popoff, Oral Roberts, and the many fallen preachers listed on this website, someone sat under their Holier-than-thou leadership saying no he's innocent, I know him he would not do such a thing.
You just do not get it do you, you've been sooo brainwashed to even think that someone is sent under the guidance of an invisible god, you're so pathetic beyond recovery. When he gets sentenced for being found guilty, you'll be bad saying it was the work of Satan trying to quelch this mighty MAN OF GOD Pervert, you sicko!
Maybe you don't believe he did it because you "sat" under him doing to him what he did to the little girls :-)
My father molested my sister and everyone was so surprised because he was well liked/loved by everyone and many believed he was a "prophet" from God. Even after 25 years no one from his side of family believes he did it, which puts stains in my relationship with them.
When America gets bomed and all the Christians get killed will be the only way to stop the ignorant bullshit religion called Christianity.
Christianity and all religious bullshit stops at the moment of death.
Let me say this...we cant say if he is guilty or innocent no matter how long we have known him etc, or if we just logged in here to post our comments. From my experience with a man of God(the reason for my post), I can say they dont like everything(which may explain why he never approached some of the other girls)and some people are more vulnerable to them and they know this. It's not about the women being mad cause they cant have him either, but "sometimes" it is true. We need to stop thinking that everybody wants the Pastor, because sometimes the Pastor wants everybody else because of deep rooted issues in him, and then when he is done using them he makes "them" feel bad...sometimes. In my experience, I would be in the Man of God's arms and bed one night and the next morning he was preaching to the church an "anointed message" however, he is spreading a lust spirit over his congregation. That night, after preaching an "anointed and powerful message", I would be in his arms and bed again, and yes, we still do it from time to time but that does not make it right. He also does it with others too. How do I know it? Cause he has told me so and they are members of his church and the community. So it does not matter how anointed he is, he can still sin, and he still has his issues, but the point is that most of the church never knows those issues until someone comes forward? Why? Because most members never enter into the Pastors personal life. They just see what he does as Pastor and not as man. So my point is that most of the church, probably 70-90%, never know about "their Pastor" because they only see him on Sundays and at Bible Study. Then when someone comes forward, everyone is in denial because he has never done it to them...well baby, you probably were not his flavor.
But I put myself out there to say that in my church no one knows I'm fucking the Pastor unless, I am woman enough to tell them and stop it. No one ever knows until someone is brave enough to come forward or they get caught. Pastors are not perfect and when they are caught, they "rarely" admit they are wrong. My Pastor has even went to the heights of telling me I can never leave him and has stalked me for trying to pull out of the relationship. He has even been abusive to other women and has tried me too. Dont put him on the pedestal just cause he has not "tried" you. Let God handle his "bidness", trust me its for a reason.
http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/11/16/20061116-D4-02.html
I have been a member of New G and under the guidance of Pastor since 1998. He is a man that is truely annointed and under the direction of God. Unfortunatley every strong man of the bible has had to go through some type of test. Trials and tribulations. This is just a test that my pastor is going to pass. He may be locked down for now, but he won't be forever. Trust me when I write when he comes home there will be a blessing on him that no one will be able to break. To all of you who doubt my pastor just remember one thing.
NO WEAPONS FORMED AGAINST HIM SHALL PROSPER..................
Just type in the man's name, Maurice L. Jackson.
Oh, and those who worship this man may want to know about his other, less serious run-ins with the law: Click Here. Again, you'll have to type in his name.
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Pffft.. Yeah right. The law did! Haha! -Wes.
These does not know GOD or his power so we can't expect them to understand anything spiritual cause Pastor has said that carnal people can never understand spiritual things so we will just have to rejoice when he returns home.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of backwoods bullshit logic we're up against. It goes something like this: We "carnal" people at Ex-Christian.net can't understand anything spiritual, because we don't know God---but yet, we can't know God because we don't understand anything spiritual.
Gee, who's the pillar of intelligence that came up with that initiation? "GOD"?
LMAO!!! Praise Jebus!
What is with these idiots who actually think defending pedophiles is the "Christian" thing to do?
Let your God forgive Pastor Jack-Off if he wants to. If he'd been f***ing my kids, I'd want his ass in jail where it would receive all the loving he could imagine.
Your pastor is a pedophile, you idiot. Wake up.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Even when I was a christian I couldn't have acted that way. Defending this man.
Then people wonder why abused children feel like they can't say anything.
YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!
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He was found guilty by a jury of 12 people based soley upon evidence shown before them, yet you insist that he is innocent, so if that being the case, then the Rev. Jackson cannot commit a crime that he can be found guilty of in your eyes.
Plainly worshipping a guilty ridden man called Rev. Jackson.
You must be his mother, because he's being breast fed by you and anyone else that defends a criminal!
It's people like you that proves without a doubt that religions are a deceptive cult.