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From the Seattle Times

Some folks like to say everyone worships the same God. But we know that isn't exactly so, and now we have a description of how American conceptions of God differ.

The Baylor Institute for Studies of Religion and the Gallup organization recently finished a study that went beyond the usual questions — "Do you believe in God?" and "Do you go to church?" They tried to dig more deeply and find out how people see God, how they see themselves in relation to God and how that affects their ideas and behavior. What they found is that when Americans say "God," they are not necessarily talking about the same deity.

The researchers asked 29 questions about God's character and behavior, sifted through the answers they got from 1,721 participants and identified "two clear and distinct dimensions" to people's ideas about God.

Those are God's level of engagement and God's level of anger at human sins. People see God as engaged or not, angry or not. The four combinations of those two traits yield more information about the believer than the usual denominational labels.

Americans see God as engaged and angry (a god who is involved in world and individual affairs and who metes out punishment for bad behavior); engaged but not angry (involved in individual lives and the world, but behaving benevolently without anger); disengaged and angry (withdrawn from intervening in human affairs, but unhappy with the state of the world and likely to punish bad deeds in the afterlife; or disengaged and not angry (a god who set things in motion, then went fishing).

Basically what we have are lightning-bolt God, smiley-face God, bummed-out God and whatever, dude God. The researchers assigned them letters: A (authoritarian), B (benevolent), C (critical) and D (distant).

The combination you choose says more about you than about God.

The researchers found "a clear disconnect between how the media and academics identify American believers and how they identify themselves."

Few people use the term "evangelical," for instance, even when they belong to churches that have "evangelical" in their name. But when the data are organized by type of God, it's clear which groups people belong to.

Only evangelical Protestants showed consistency in their political views. "They agree with conservative agenda items and disagree with liberal ones." They tend to believe in an authoritarian God. Other groups crossed political lines depending on the topic.




It didn't matter whether people were Catholic, Protestant or Jewish; what determined their views on a number of topics was the version of God they believed in.

A Catholic who believed in the authoritarian God was as conservative as any evangelical.

They also found that women leaned toward more engaged versions and men toward less engaged. People with lower educations and lower incomes also tended to believe in a more engaged God, who answers prayers. Most black people believed in a more engaged God. Southerners tend toward an authoritarian God, West Coasters are more into a distant God and Midwesterners lean toward the benevolent God.

Interestingly, not a single black person in the survey claimed to be an atheist. Asked whether they believed without any doubt that God exists, black Protestants were the only group in which 100 percent said yes.

Black folks overwhelmingly believe God is not happy with people's sins and will tan hides when necessary in this life or the next.

The survey was full of stuff you might not know: It found that 3.7 percent of the black population is Jewish, compared to 2.6 percent of white Americans.

Everybody's got a model of God to suit who they are. People's religious views reflected their income, education, gender, race and age.

People 18-30 are about three times more likely than people over 65 to have no religious affiliation. Americans are becoming less tied to denomination.

Americans overwhelmingly say they believe in God, it's just that folks have different ideas about who God is and what God wants from us.

The differences have social and political impacts. Who we vote for and which programs we support all affected by the way we see God, including the small portion of the population that filled in "atheist" on the survey.

On abortion, allowing gay people to marry, military spending and social programs, a person's description of God corresponded with his or her political stand.

If the government were going to back a religion, which version of God would it push? Looking at the survey will remind you why separation of church and state makes sense.

People have a bad tendency to talk past one another, using the same words to mean very different things, which leads to misunderstandings and makes it difficult to put conflicts to rest.

This survey gives people a clearer idea of what their neighbors are talking about when they bring God into a conversation.

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Anonymous Angie said...
What a great post. When I let go of christianity I also let go of anything political. I tell folks I'm non-religious and non-political.


Anonymous freedy said...
It's very simple to me,..."we have made god in our own image".Period!


Anonymous steamboat_willey said...
A great post. All believers worship the God between their ears, not an objectively valid God whom knowledge of creates a valid basis for ethics.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
See the great thing about being God, is that you could be all that and then some too. It's the whole God is everything kinda thing. He exists everywhere and nowhere. It's like that, but I doubt you'd understand.


Anonymous tigg13 said...
Anonymous, are you saying that you think that god is there but not there? Angry but not angry? Helpful but not helpful? A part of our lives but not a part of our lives?

If we don't understand you its because you make about as much sense as a marching band at a funeral.

And if god does transcend all of these descriptions, as you suggest, then, doesn't that mean that no christian really has a true understanding of god?. That their ideologies and beliefs are inherently flawed?

Do you really understand what it is you believe in?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
You mean there is a God???? Wow!!! Where is he and what does he look like??? or she???


Anonymous Anonymous said...
You mean there is a God???? Wow!!! Where is he and what does he look like??? or she???


Blogger Lectim said...
See, the thing about omnipresence is that is capable of doing all of the things at the same time. It's God, he doesn't have to be understood, and for the most part he cannot be. You cannot abosolutely understand God. That goes along with the whole "God works in mysterious ways". You don't absolutely have to understand him, it's more you should follow what the teachings are and the other things that are taken to be his word, and act on that.

He isn't and shouldn't be a figure you should follow blindly. The way I'd put it for someone who doesn't share my faith is that he's more of a guidance figure than anything else, or he should be. The "zealots" will follow whatever the bible says as law and will defend it regardless of whether they're right or not.

Or, atleast that's how I've come to believe things to be.


Blogger Bentley said...
Lectim said,

"See, the thing about omnipresence is that is capable of doing all of the things at the same time. It's God, he doesn't have to be understood, and for the most part he cannot be. (I think it's just utterly wonderful that people somehow know for sure their God has a penis and two swinging testicles). You cannot abosolutely understand God.

"That goes along with the whole "God works in mysterious ways". You don't absolutely have to understand (him), it's more you should follow what the teachings are (or burn in hell) and the other things that are taken to be his word,(presumption of inspiration) and act on that.(presumption)

He (male figure) isn't and shouldn't be a figure you should follow blindly.(no not ever, by anyone) The way I'd put it for someone who doesn't share my faith (a sinner destined for hell) is that he(my imaginary male god) is more of a guidance figure (imaginary) than anything else, or he (my male god) should be.(just what we want to imagine our god to be like)

The "zealots" (not me) will follow whatever the bible says as law and will defend it regardless of whether they're right or not.(not me again)

Or, atleast that's how I've come (by a threat of an imaginary hell) been (based on fear and led) to believe things to be."


Blogger Deamond said...
I forget weather or not I've actually said it here, but it seemed to me for a while that Christians seem to worship two completely unrelated gods.

One is a perfect, belevolent omniscent god of religious Children's books.

The other is a racist, sexist, homophobic, egomaniachle homocidal lunatic.

I've been an Atheist for a long time, but it's only relatively recently that I've actually become anti-religious. This started when I first read Luke 14;26 on the internet and I though, "That can't be right" but it turned out to be the tip-of-the-iceberg.


Blogger Deamond said...
"Anonymous said...
See the great thing about being God, is that you could be all that and then some too. It's the whole God is everything kinda thing. He exists everywhere and nowhere. It's like that, but I doubt you'd understand."

That's because it doesn't bloody make any sense! Do YOU understand it?

I may or may not speak for everyone here, but the reason I am an Atheist is not because God himself can't be proven or disproven, but because the rest of the Bible is full of bullshit.


Blogger Scottish Geologist said...
Deamonds comment:

I've been an Atheist for a long time, but it's only relatively recently that I've actually become anti-religious. This started when I first read Luke 14;26 on the internet and I though, "That can't be right" but it turned out to be the tip-of-the-iceberg

I think this is actually part of a new trend. Richard Dawkins mentioned soemthing like it in his article:

“My respect for the Abrahamic religions went up in the smoke and choking dust of September 11th. The last vestige of respect for the taboo disappeared as I watched the 'Day of Prayer' in Washington Cathedral, where people of mutually incompatible faiths united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place: religion. It is time for people of intellect, as opposed to people of faith, to stand up and say 'Enough!' Let our tribute to the dead be a new resolve: to respect people for what they individually think, rather than respect groups for what they were collectively brought up to believe.”

Here's a page (you probably all know it anyway) with lots odf good similar quotes:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Quotes.htm


Blogger Alan said...
Lectim wrote:

...it's more you should follow what the teachings are and the other things that are taken to be his word, and act on that.


Problem is, at least for Christianity, is that teachings are often confused, arbitrary or downright nonsensical, depending on what "authority" you listen to, and can change over time. So for example when you read two passages in the Bible that contradict each other you have to do some interpretation, and how are you going to do that? Its very likely you are going to fall back on your "understanding" of God to try and figure it out. Saying God cannot be understood means: a) man can never really understand reality, b) science and reason can be ignored when it is convenient, c) man for all intents and purposes lives in an arbitrary universe, and d) believers with always be able to explain events with "he works in mysterious ways," including the classic problem of evil in the world. If God exists and he cannot be understood then isn't religion ultimately an incredible waste of time and effort?


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