The molestation case of ex-pastor Donald Domelle proves that religion does nothing to rehabilitate people with criminal tendencies. I have heard there are more theists in our prisons that out in society.

When Domelle gets to prison he will surely get his just desserts and a fate worse than the death penalty! That is because there is an "Honor among thieves" code of honor in any prison.

If you go to prison for robbing a bank or committing some other major heist, you become a hall-of-fame hero to the other prison inmates. But if you go to prison for sexual molestation, kidnapping, murder, violent brutality, or any other crime against children, the other prison inmates will make sure you suffer a worse punishment than being executed! One major reason why prisoners despise those who commit crimes against children, is that many of them were themsleves abused as children.

I just wanted to say that i knew this 'pastor' personally. my mother sent me to his christian school when i was 13 because i was 'getting into trouble' iknew that man was creepy. friends of mine and myself raised hell every day toward him and his abusive wife, who knew about the molestation going on with his adopted daughter. she used to hit the victim infront of us students. we weren't allowed to show our knees, and often were reffered to as boy crazy or harlets. even though this wasnt the case. im thankful i didnt get sucked into the lies of this congregation. and the people who helped domelle knew what was going on and no one did anything about it. the victim herself came out to me and some friends of mine, and at 13 years old, we did try to help. but they sent her away to texas w.o notice. i wish his abusive wife, margret domelle would get life in prison too for allowing this behavior. she even had the child's windows sealed shut and dead bolt locks along with bells attatched to her door so she couldnt escape. what a bitch.

Rossextian,

I agree that the famed rehabilitative powers of Christianity are over-rated in many respects. However, I work as a counselor within a state prison, and the bornagainers are typically those that demonstrate the greatest degree of authentic change. Although, I've been extremely surprised, on more than one occasion, regarding particular prisonsers who seem to represent the epitome of bonafide conversion, yet, shortly after release,immediately revert to their former criminality. On the whole, despite the exceptions, bornagainers still are superior compared to all others in terms of real rehabilitation, which alludes to a bigger issue that, frankly, bothers me even as an atheist myself. Atheists, agnostics, and every sort of unbeliever often contend that Christianity does not possess the power or ability to truly change an individual for the better based on the citation of counterexamples. Because 1,000's of clergy members commit egregious sexual crimes every year, because the regular joe-schmoe church-goer is caught cheating on his wife, because the Jesus-freak Bible-thumper succumbs to bouts of destructive rage, they seem to rationalize, Christianity is impotent and thereby false. From a logical perspective and in the interest of objectivity, emphasizing the overall failures and hypocrisy of Christians does not constitute a cogent argument against the truth of Christiantiy; in that, multitudes of people undeniably become more ethical and moral as a direct result of embracing it's doctrines. And all the examples of hypocrisy throughout the entirety of history would not repudiate the truth claims of Christianity. That being said, I hope that unbelievers stop utilizing the hypocrisy argument to discount Christianity; doing so is logically ineffective.

Except, Chad, that Christianity claims to be magically infused with the life changing power of the Holy Spirit.

"I will build my Church," says Jesus. "I will send the Holy Spirit, who will lead you into all truth," and so on.

The point of posting heinous moral failures of prominent Christians is not to "prove" that Christianity is invalid, it is to demonstrate that the claims of "I am dead in Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me," is either completely untrue, or at least highly exaggerated.

Webmaster,

I think we've dialogued about this before. Nevertheless, you are focused on repudiating or at least casting doubt on the alleged source of "conversion"; namely, the Holy Spirit. And by posting articles that display the staggering level of "henious moral failures" within christiandom, in my opinion, and I think from the perspective of any objective assessment, you are very successful in doing so. After all, if every believer was "infused" with the transforming power of a omnipotent being, the degree of hypocrisy would not be so overwhelming. However, based on my own experience as a Bible college graduate and a prison counselor, Christianity -- compared to all other religious traditions -- seems to possess the monopoly on the most dramatic and profound personal change; which is enough to sustain belief in a "Holy Spirit" origin despite the stigma of church-wide hypocrisy...not to mention the fact that the Bible predicts the occurance of terrible sin among the saints. So, philosophically, the moral hypocrisy approach to discounting the validity of Christianity is weak, although, I must concede, that among those who are not philosophically oriented, it is perceived as cogent.

As a Baptist Pastor I have yet to find one pedophile that has been transformed by religion of any kind. The government statistics are true for these people; that 0% have changed from their deviency. We need to stop kidding ourselves with the belief that "Old Fashioned, Hell Fire and brimstone preaching can reach these people. They are deviant and maniacal.

I find this web site very SAD. There is so much hate in what I just read toward a man that is just as human as you and I are. We all make mistakes in life. Some greater than others but all is the same in God's eyes. I also find it very SAD that there are people out there who do not beleive God himself. Without god none of us would be here and that he sent his Son to die for us that is a gift beyond our imagination but it is taken so for granted. Now as for the Pastor mentioned here. I knew him personally also. He is a very kind man that made a mistake. We all make mistakes. But what I have just read from this forum about him is totally false. I know him and his wife personally and have been in there home. The statements that were made about them and there home is false and a pack of lies from a very bitter person. Who that may be I don't know. The Domelle family have been there for a lot of people. Including the family of both victims. They have helped them out in many different ways. Anybody who knows that family knows this is true. Donald Domelle would give the shirt of his back to anyone in need and still would. People need to know that there is bad in everyone but there is also good. You can't focus on the bad that will destroy you. You remember the good in people and look for the good in people like my God does you will be a happier person. I'm sorry for the people who got hurt thourgh this situation but I know and have talked to Donald Domelle since all of this and he is truely sorry for what he has done. He has asked both victims for forgiveness from the bottom of his heart. I know one is working very hard on forgiving him and so should we. My God has forgiven him and He will forgive you also.

Oh god, my all-time favorite----I love it when people like Chad come here and profess to be "Atheist", but then defend Christianity in ANY capacity. Okay, most hard-time criminals are amoral people to begin with, not because their "souls" need to be "saved", but because they have mental problems of some sort. People who murder are sick in the head, not in the "soul". Medication can alter a "soul"? No. Moreover, if the christian doctrine, or any other philosophy for that matter, is drilled into a prisoner's head and it happens to make them change their ways?....fine, a "success story"--- however, by the same argument, that doesn't mean that Christianity is any kind of objective truth. The word "placebo" comes to mind.

BTW, for any Atheist who believes that Christianity should NOT be discounted because of it's rehabilitional values, then I'd love to know when, why, where, it was discounted enough to make you an "Atheist".

If it walks and talks like a duck?...it's a duck.

To scared fundy anonymous,

Yeah lets all molest little children and run back to jesus and get forgiveness.

He would give his shirt off his back and then slip off little girls dresses and panties.


scared anonymous said,

"He is a very kind man that made a mistake. We all make mistakes. But what I have just read from this forum about him is totally false. I know him and his wife personally and have been in there home. The statements that were made about them and there home is false and a pack of lies from a very bitter person."

Yeah they just arrest people because they heard they were good people.

Talk about sad, anonymous, you're one of the sickest sob's ever to have posted on this website, and because people like you pretend that you believe in a god, makes me want to puke on your imaginary god, I do not believe in your phoney god, mainly because you say that you do. I would not want to be affiliated with such filthy garbage as you and your sick christian friends.

It's mainly because of you sick and mentally ill people, it would take someone as sick as you to believe in such nonsense, therefore I totally and gladly reject your freaking god and your insane squalor.

Stay off this website, you do not deserve your next waisted breath some people should not have ever been born and you are one of them.

wow! anonymous who the fuck are you i prob know you since you know domelle. i'll let you know who i am... IM AMBER RAFFILE. and you think that everyone is so negative and evil toward poor domelle? well let him molest and rape your children and we'll see how nice of a person he is. how sick are you? and you're too cowardly to tell us who you are. i hate child molesters or anyone who causes any harm toward a child. children are our future and are innocent and do not deserve punishment of any kind. they need people to guide them not traumatize them and treat them like trash. let someone have sex with your daughter and then tell me that "its ok he made a 'mistake' we're all human right?

its funny because when i went to Baptist Temple School, i got in trouble for mouthing off and listening to rock music since it was "bad" but nobody ever told me taht i was just a human being that made some mistakes... i got yelled at all the time and called names. but lets protect 'pastor' because he's an ordained minister or should i say 'was' before he got convicted because he raped kids.

by the way you moron... he didnt make a mistake... he mad a bad choice and i hope he rots in hell for the rest of his life. him and his gluten of a wife who knew he was abusing these kids and did nothing about it. you make it seem like it isnt a big deal.he continued to molest and rape a mentally disabled child until she was a teenager. he forced himself on her, forced objects inside her, had sex with her inside the van that he used to take me home in and prob your kids home in too whoever you are,he had child pornography found on his pc at home and at the church. oh WHOOPS BIG MISTAKE I got aroused by looking at kidnapped and abused children being forced to pose nude and do lewd things to each other.

his adoptive daughter told me EVERYTHING that man did to him. why do you think me and you know the other girl who caused so much trouble gave that man hell? it was our only way to retaliate. he made her life hell so we made their lives hell and boy do i feel good about it now. i told my mom and my mom spoke to the authorities they sent the girl away before anything could happen. why do you think they sent her awya? because of ME!! thats why taht fat bitch hated me so much because i could see right through her fake persona along with his.

you are as sick as he is for defending him. i dont give a damn who you are be a man/woman and let us know who you are since you want to defend someone who rapes children.

and btw, its not a pack of lies. the investigators came to my house and saw the dead bolt locks themselves.i remember going to their home and seeing her window shut with a butterfly bolt and bells on the door. i was a teen at the time trust me i remember why would i lie about that? i even told the investigators and they told me they saw the same thing its all on tape since they interveiwed me in my home prior to his trial. a blonde heavy set woman and a tall white man interviewed me. its all documented. i wouldn't make something up like this. why would i make something up like that? that would be mocking someone for being molested. im too good of a person to do that. i have good character and i dont need some bogus church to tell me otherwise. and yes i am angry because these poor people's lives are all messed up now. and sick fucks like you keep defending him, but if domelle wasnt a supposide man of god you would have a different opinion about him. so its a big crock

domelle was molesting these girls since they were children. one of them tried to reach out but people were more worried about what it would do to their church and how it would make everyone look instead of saving this child. would Jesus let a child get molested? would Jesus have slapped his daughter in the face and sent her away because her dad was having sex with her since she was in kindergarden?

btw 'pastor' even got my home phone number, called me, talked to me and asked if my daughter was going to be able to attend school since he thought she was a year older than she is. what a fucking joke like i'd send my child to that danger zone under the supervision of a child molester and a 300lb woman who does nothing but eat her jealousy away all day. PLEASE!

i also knew the pastor personally,i attended his church for about 9 years.untill i moved to iowa.i was very shock to read the news on the internet. of the choices he had made.im very saden he was a good pastor to me.every saturday he was at my house to make sure i had a ride to church on sunday.i also thank god i never saw the side amber seen.but as a mother im torn with angry feelings and sadness.as a mother you want to protect your children.i hope that he ask god forgiveness for the bad chioces hes made.but wihtout the help of pastor domelle as i knew him i would have never known god. may he be right with god and the people he has hurt. attend baptist temple from 1985 thur 1994.my name rosita

tj- do you really believe that your grandfather is innocent? why then would he admit to having inappropriate relations with a teen and his own daughter/your aunt?
i've known your family for longer than you have been on this earth.
your grandfather has always been inappropriate with the girls and his sin has finally caught up with him.
it's noble of you to stand up for him -but understand that he is getting what he deserves. i know that this has caused a great deal of pain for you and your family -but your family has known about this for a very long time and did a fair amount of footwork to cover up your grandfather's tracks & sin.
i honestly hope that you and your siblings will be able to move beyond this and find healing. but more so, i hope that your aunt is able to move beyond this, find healing, and find the strength to become something great. my heart goes out to her, and i am sorry that she has been through so much abuse through the years.

T.J, you are young, and your words do not effect me. They are harsh words though, comming from a supposed Christian.

The irony in that. You wish eternal damnation on me because I am discussted with the fact that your grandfather had an affair with a mentally handicapped child, and had sex with his own adpoted daughter, and your grandmother kenw about it and did NOTHING wich makes her guilty as well. I'm sorry you had to go through this in your family, but it doesn't make it right to stick up for these people. If someone in my family were a pedophile, I sure as hell wouldn't stick up for them.

The two victims (along with others I'm sure) are scarred for life do you get that? Their innocents was robbed from them, and nobody did anything in their defence. I did raise hell at that school, too bad I didn't do more.

Your grandfather would preach to me about how I was sinning for wearing pants and listening to music, yet he's having sex with a 9 year old.

He will get his. I do not rape or molest children. I am a loving mother, and stay at home with my children, I am a devoted wife, and I do not act like I am some special person. Nor do I allow abuse toward anyone, and have stood up for numerous children who have been victimized and physically abused.

You have alot of growing up to do, especially thinking that your grandfather is innocent. You're in denial, and really need to see the bigger picture here other than "its my grandpa"

Justice wasn't even served because the victims will forever be scarred from his abuse, and have the memories of him harming them burnt into their fragile minds.

I don't know how me disliking people who stick up for pedophiles is bad or why I should 'burn in hell' because I stick up for children. Your grandmother did NOT stick up for her adopted daughter, and she came to me so many times when I was 13 years old telling me how her mother knew but did nothing.

The detectives themselves have proof of what went on in that house, and how she was locked up. I wouldn't make this stuff up nor would I want to. I'm far from sick and twisted.

Do not lash out at me because I refuse to stick up for child abusers.

feel free to contact me


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You know what TJ? You're really lucky that Miss Amber doesn't notify the police for threatening her, but she realizes you're a kid but if it were me, I would have the police at your door to scare your little sheltered ass.

Your family is fucked up for letting the victims get molested. Maybe if they weren't busy trying to proctect their tiny church they could have done something right but that goes to show how selfish they are.

I feel sorry for your auntie as well and I wish her the best I know Amber said the same thing.

You wanna cut her tongue out and feed it to her because she speaks the truth? because your grandfather raped and tortured these girls' minds so like, Amber should rot in hell?

Ya right trust me. Shes a good person and yea she and some other ppl we knew did act wild at that school but could u blame us?

Ya i understand that thats your grandfather but still if he was innocent then how did those naked pictures of that handicapped girl get on there? or did she take them herself to frame him because we know when someone gives the shirt off their back for u you want to turn around and so something to ruin their life like frame them right?

i doubt u want the police and media at your house because your over here making stupid childish threats toward amber so keep on you dont know her she'll retaliate when provoked. shes got a family so keep your fucked up twisted little pea brain thoughts to yourself or your gonna be sittin in that jail cell right next to your grandpa watching him get his as kicked.

Anonymous: "Now as for the Pastor mentioned here. I knew him personally also. He is a very kind man that made a mistake."

No mistake. He meant to do what he did, otherwise he would have been incapable of acting as he did.

Anonymous, are you familiar with the dynamics of abuse? If not, please read up on it so that you won't be blindsided if and when it happens to you. Most abusers are experts at presenting a benign but false face to the world as they destroy someone's life in private. It's all about power and control.

I am not going to call the cops on T.J. he is young but if I find him harrassing me in other areas or continuing to throw threats toward me then yes, I will notify the authorities to warn him. I do have a family and unlike his family, I care about my children and do not wish for them to see or know about such acts of rediculous violence.

T.J., you need to understand, your Aunt, who I feel very bad for and hope she has a wonderful life here on out, she was betrayed by everyone who knew about her abuse. I myself was physically abused very harshly during my pre-teen and teen years but nobody really knew about it except for members of my family. I was lucky enough for someone to step up and leave home at 16 to get away from that abuse. I couldn't imagine however, being sexually assulted and my family knowing about it and doing nothing. I can only fathom how betrayed your Aunt must feel. She was always a sweetheart, and if it weren't for your grandmother I would have had a true friendship with her, but obviously I was a bad inlfuence because I went to the movie theater and had my wits about me, which in any case, is alot better than being raped repeatedly by my own father if I do say so myself.

Just like another lady/gentlmen had said previously, I hope you and your sibling(s) do recover from this, I'm sure it isn't an easy road, however, I will not accept nor will I agree with the bad choices ( not mistakes) of your family members. Someone could have been an adult and stepped up for these children. Wouldn't Jesus do that for them or would he hide in shame in fear of his congregation looking bad?

I am a firm believer in Karma, and Karma had yet to bite every member of your family that has allowed this behaviour in the ass. Everyone feels so bad, lonely christmas and thanksgiving because dad/husband/grandpa isn't here, yet nobody has shown any remorse in your family for the sinister acts that your grandfather committed. That to me, is not christian like, but cruel.

I am giving you a fair warning however T.J. If you continue to make the choice of threatening me, I will not hesitate to have an officer at your front door. I was already notified that there wouldn't be any problem with that. Not only is it rediculous to threaten someone harm, but its fucking stupid to do it over the internet, when the person you're threatening not only knows you, but your family is infamous due to your grandfathers vicious acts of perversion. Let that be my final warning, I am not one to fuck around with.

jesus hates us this i know, for TJ tells us so

little ones, they are dumb, they are sweet, but their pastor is a freak

jesus hates people who make fun of people who molest children and allow children to be beaten.


jesus washes the sins away from the pedophile freak and his cowardly wife.


irony much? never mind, its just the mentality and opinions of a sheltered, ignorant teenager.



moving right along now... fucking clif notes anybody?