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Defense accuses him, husband of downplaying Plano mom's behavior

MCKINNEY TX - The pastor of a charismatic Christian church attended by the Plano mother on trial, accused of fatally cutting off the arms of her 10-month-old daughter, told jurors Wednesday that mental illness is really demon possession that cannot be cured with psychiatry or medicine.

"I do not believe that any mental illness exists other than demons, and no medication can straighten it out, other than the power of God," said Doyle Davidson, the 73-year-old minister of the Water of Life Church that Dena and John Schlosser attended several times a week.

Dena Schlosser, 37, is on trial for capital murder in the slaying of her daughter Margaret in November 2004.

She has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.

Schlosser was arrested after police, responding to a 911 call, found her in the living room of her apartment, blood smeared on her face and clothes, a Christian hymn playing and a Bible open near the crib where the child was killed.

Defense lawyers have faulted her husband and Davidson for downplaying her strange behavior and cutting short treatment of a psychotic condition that began after the birth of her third child in January 2004.

John Schlosser testified Tuesday that he did not seek medical help when his wife told him she wanted to "give the baby to God" about a week before their daughter's death.

Davidson said he hardly knew the family, although John Schlosser testified earlier that he and his wife talked with Davidson days before the attack and that the pastor was the first person he called after it.

"I talked with him maybe three times, I don't remember what about," Davidson said.

Davidson also testified that he has cast demons out of parishioners and seen evil spirits, including one that was 6 feet tall with a long tail. The former veterinarian, who has no formal religious training, has a cable TV show in the Dallas area and several states.

The Rev. Kathryn Self, another defense witness, called the beliefs of Davidson's church outside mainstream Christianity.

In the week leading up to the slaying, Dena Schlosser had expressed concern that Davidson was being persecuted by police regarding an incident in September 2004 in which he was arrested and accused of public intoxication, her husband testified Tuesday.

A police report states the pastor was in the home of another married member of his congregation, sitting on top of her and trying to choke out evil spirits.

Davidson told jurors that God had pledged the woman to him and that demons were keeping them apart, but he denied he was drunk or was trying to choke her.

Also Wednesday, three Plano police officers testified that Schlosser repeatedly chanted, "Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord" in the hours after her arrest. Plano police officer Sean White said the chant varied from soft to loud, and once Schlosser seemed to turn purple and pass out. Another officer testified he heard her making guttural, growling sounds as she waited to be treated for an apparently self-inflicted knife wound to her shoulder.

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Anonymous Dano said...
Some humans are extremely beautiful, intelligent, and wise, and some are very ugly, stupid and mean.

Guess which category this group fall into?
Dan


Anonymous OatPaste said...
Memories . . .

I grew up believing that kind of crap. The world was loaded with the demonic activity; behind every illness was some evil specter.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities” and “Not by force nor by strength, but by my spirit, saith the lord”, Mom always quoted to me. “By his stripes you are healed”, naturally went along with this.

Ah, the good old days.


Anonymous Hannah said...
"The Rev. Kathryn Self, another defense witness, called the beliefs of Davidson's church outside mainstream Christianity."

ok, when other Christians think you're weird, you definitley have a problem.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is a thinly veiled line between insanity and religion that it cannot easly be detected, when people conveniently use invisible entities for excuses and explanation for things that is happening to them, it would be safe to say that the person is actually mentally insane.

This would also qualify insanity for anyone using these words in earnest describing their personal experiences: Blessing, grace, prayer, faith, miracles, signs, visions, angels, oracle, saved, satan, god, heaven, hell, and everything listed in the bible.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
A police report states the pastor was in the home of another married member of his congregation, sitting on top of her and trying to choke out evil spirits."

Its always good to have a loving pastor in your congregation. I wonder if he was using any other body parts besides his hands to choke her?


Anonymous Jim Lee said...
Anyone who believes in demons and or demon possession these days is obviously a nut case anyway.


Anonymous freedy said...
I've been watching pastor "Doyle
Davidson" for years here in the metroplex. He is nothing but a cult leader who thinks he's god!
He was a successful veternarian
who god told to leave his practice, to become his prophet.
He constantly attacts and makes fun of other ministries,..
fostering that us against them,...
or we are god's chosen people cult
attitude.
This guy is a con artist, who controls his flock with fear and
ignorance.
It is great to see him exposed!


Anonymous texmex2003 said...
Yeah, we get this man and his screwed up ideas on life here in Tulsa as well. The crap people will believe just because a man with a Bible in his hands tells them to do.

found another link on this: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-12-05-severed-arms_x.htm?csp=34


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Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Woman felt God commanded her to cut off arms, doctor says

McKINNEY TX — A woman accused of killing her 10-month-old daughter felt that God was commanding her to cut off the baby's arms as well as her own arms, legs and head, a state psychiatrist testified today.

Dena Schlosser saw a TV news story about a boy being mauled by a lion and thought it was a sign of the apocalypse, triggering events that led to the death of Margaret, Dr. David Self told the jury on the sixth day of Schlosser's capital murder trial.

"She felt she was basically commanded, in essence, to cut Maggie's arms off and her own arms off, and her legs and her head, and in some way to give them to God," said Self, who evaluated Schlosser in the months after her arrest.

Police responding to a 911 call in November 2004 found Schlosser in her living room, covered in blood, still holding a knife and listening to a church hymn. She had cut her own shoulder as well as the baby.

Schlosser, 37, has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, and her attorneys are trying to prove she didn't know right from wrong when Margaret, also known as Maggie, was killed. Prosecutors, who are not seeking the death penalty, argue Schlosser knew what she was doing and should be sent to prison for life. If found not guilty, Schlosser would be hospitalized.

The Sunday before Maggie's death, Schlosser talked about her daughter's "little arms" and told her husband that he must be planning something big because he was shopping for a clock radio, Self testified. He also said Schlosser felt compelled to dress Maggie "as finely as possible" because she planned to give her to God or Doyle Davidson, the pastor of Water of Life Church in Plano, which the Schlossers attended several times a week.

"It is layer upon layer of this craziness, this psychosis," Self said.

Self said he spent about 10 hours evaluating Schlosser in the weeks before a hearing where she was declared mentally incompetent to stand trial. In May, after doctors treated her, she was found competent by a judge.

In the months following Maggie's birth, a psychiatrist diagnosed Schlosser with post-partum psychosis. After her baby's death, she was diagnosed with manic depression. She had stopped taking anti-psychotic medication about four months before Maggie was killed.



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Anonymous Anonymous said...
I had never heard of this man until the Deena Schlosser tragedy. I did some research on Davidson and found out he is obsessed with a married woman whom he claims is his "wife", given to him by God in 1987. This is who he was choking the demons out of when he was arrested. This woman and her husband were members of the Water of Life church. He believes that women posess a Jezabel spirit and must be controlled by men. Check out his site www.doyledavidson.com and read his letters to his "wife" Lisa. Creepy stuff!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yep, let's keep making excuses for them..."It's society", "PostPardum", "my mother was never around..... ETC.... The problem with this world is NO ONE takes responsibility for themselves or their actions... It's eveyone elses fault..... Demons..... ????

She a a sociopath, psycho who should be put to seath as painfully as that beautiful little girl was. She will be out in what, 3-4 years free and that babay will never have a life. a first birthday, a first word, a first, step, a first bite of ice cream.....


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Chrisitans.. They give God a bad name..... They're all so DAMN self-righteous and perfect......


Okay,while I'm a Christian,I'm not a Fundamentalist!!
Quite personally,I think it's high time Deena Schlosser and Andrea Yates be taken to the Hanging Tree and left for the Buzzards and Crows!!!
Sorry,but I've got Neices;Nephews;Grand Neices and Nephews and a Step Grandauughter
and guess what??
Their Mothers never tried to kill them!!
Sorry,but I don't buy their"Mental Illness"claims!!
And heaven help us if one fine day,"Frasier Crane"or"Dr.Phil"decide theyr'e"cured"and theyr'e free as a bird!!
And I think this(so called)"Preacher"Davidson needs to go to Huntsville as well and become the new"boyfriend"of"Kareem AlCapone"!!!
He's no more a Preacher than David Koresh;Jim ones and Charlie Manson Were!!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a Christian and I do beleve that demons can take people over and talk to them but there is a line between being out of your mind and having a demon talk to you. For one Hitler was out of his mind and did things on his own and he is in hell, while there is prove that people have been healed though Jesus Christ after a demon possession.


Blogger Astreja said...
Anonymous idiot: "But there is a line between being out of your mind and having a demon talk to you."

I think you just erased the line with that statement, 'Nony.

Me, I'm just glad that Davidson gave up his veterinary practice. (rushes off to pet Her cats)


Anonymous Wade said...
Anony xtian,

You are just as delusional as the rest. Don't kid yourself.

Why is it all of the characters in your religion (god,devil,demons, etc) are conveniently invisible as well?


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