This link has a picture of this pastor predator:

http://brooklin.biz/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=31

These xtians are so very sick! Preach hell fire and damnation, and then secretly try to seduce children.

Onanite

Of course, atheists in general have no problem aborting all the babies they can, even those in the final trimester.

I acutually argued with one atheist fanatic who saw no problem aborting a baby a week before birth, when one day later you would have a human being.

Of course, the atheist fanatic Peter Singer, professor of philosophy at Princeton, says babies don't have "personhood" until AT LEAST thirty days after birth so the parents can do what they want with them.

And you phonies wonder why we don't want atheists ruling over us.

Emanuel

Where do you come up with the idea that atheist want to rule over other people?

You probably would not find an across the board thought line on the abortion issue within the atheist ranks.

Have you ever spoken to another atheist about this issue of abortion?

Maybe you have atheists confused with the religious right in the US, who are trying to control people and change the constitution, so that they can strip people of their human rights.

ex-pentecostal preacher

Emanual, Why do you think we need more people on this Earth to go through the hypnotic falsehood of religion and zip around and dodge all the false teachings and beliefs, to be judged by the phoney man-made God, when according to your silly beliefs, that all babies go straight to Heaven. Would it not be better for all the unborns to go straight to Heaven, than have to go through what we all have been taught with fear and guilt and threatened with a Hell based only according to what one chooses to believe?

Here is another person who will group everyone who doesn't share their train of thought into a group of "atheists." I believe it is the same train of thought as Cartman on South Park "Screw you guys...I'm going home..."

Well Emanuel, you are wrong... there are Catholics out there who believe in aborting their babies because they fear ridicule from their fellow Catholics... what kind of "loving god" or "loving Christians" would do this to a fellow believer in the faith? Sounds kinda hypocritical to me...

ALL Athiests "in general" do have personal issues with abortion. I know of quite a few that would NEVER consider the procedure, but wouldn't stop someone else if they CHOSE to do it. Yes, it is a matter of choice. Yes I am for the choice. By the way, I am not an "athiest" I have my own spiritual path that is extremely far away from yours.
You spew the word "athiest" out just like a racist would to a minority he or she didn't like... it is ugly... it is hateful... and it MOST CERTAINLY ain't Christian...

Shame on you!

Emanual,
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had created a man and a woman. During the flood...7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the Earth.

So it's OK for a God to kill millions at a time, what a jerk you are.

Emanual, you must be kin to the canine family, you're the only person that can lick their own balls and ass at the same time.

Emanuel Goldstein: "Of course, atheists in general have no problem aborting all the babies they can, even those in the final trimester."

Wow, de ja vous, seems I've conversed with someone who thinks like you lately... Atheists don't have a dogma, they come from many political parties, and are in every cultural area that doesn't require a god for membership... Therefore, "generally" speaking, I would suggest that abortion should be a personal choice and based on the parents' conscience... Of course, the alternative is to have an "Absolute" religious moral code, and strip the ability of a mother to have free will...

Emanuel Goldstein: "I acutually argued with one atheist fanatic who saw no problem aborting a baby a week before birth, when one day later you would have a human being."

Animals kill their young, when they know they are suffering or too weak to live, many days after birth... its natural law... However, some people actually believe they can make "absolute" laws, and take away those who have "exceptions" to the rule, like rape victims, incest victims, etc., etc... as they push, abortion is murder, no matter what the cause... By the way, the bible condones abortion, for adultery...

Emanuel Goldstein: "Of course, the atheist fanatic Peter Singer, professor of philosophy at Princeton, says babies don't have "personhood" until AT LEAST thirty days after birth so the parents can do what they want with them."

Its a soul argument vs. identity argument... if you believe we have "unique" dwelling souls in our bodies, that are SuperNatural entities to be pulled up after death into some metaphysical objective reality, please provide that evidence...

Emanuel Goldstein: "And you phonies wonder why we don't want atheists ruling over us."

I suspect that you want to be able to kill children for your own reasons, instead of having someone else control your actions...

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God's OK on abortion

Numbers 5:27-28 - And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water
that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her
people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

COMMENT:

This nonsensical ritual, prescribed by God, to a woman suspected of infidelity, must undergo the drinking of a vile concoction made of bitter water and dust from the floor of a tabernacle. A priest calls a curse upon the woman's head to insure that if she has acted in adultery the drinking of the liquid will
cause her to have a miscarriage. If she comes out clean, then she shall conceive.

Read Also, Num. 5:1-25

Well, it appears that anyone, even a christian, can justify abortion... its a matter of personal choice in a free society... however, it appears there are laws that take away that individuality... I wonder who is backing such laws, of absoluteness...

EG said: "Of course, atheists in general have no problem aborting all the babies they can, even those in the final trimester."


Wow and wow EG, What a gross generalization. Well since you have made this generalization perhaps I should tell you a story.

Last February my wife became pregnant. I was so very excited as we have a child that is nearing 18 years old. I was SOOO ecstatic that I was going to have a son. However when the ultrasound was done we found out that our baby had severe birth defects. Spina Bifida, broken spine, and Arnold Chiari Syndrome.

If he were to survive being born, he would have suffered severely. He would have never been able to leave the hospital. He wouldn't have ever known us.

After much quiet contemplation and soul searching (so to speak)the decision we would have to make, for what we believe was the right thing do. That would be that our unborn son would have to be aborted in the second trimester.

While the doctors never pushed either way, they did agree that was the right thing to do. So did some Christians in my wife's family.

Of course we were devestated, and we made the decision to donate his body to research. It was a very difficult thing for us to do. And I still miss feeling him move around inside my wife's abdomen.

A few months ago I read that they recently found out what causes this syndrome. So I feel that perhaps his body has contributed in some small way to them finding out how to prevent this horrible disease. This lets me know that he didn't die in vain.

Now as you have made such gross generalizations, about athiests and atheist fanatics. [Though I am not an atheist per se, I think I qualify as an atheist fanatic] I am a fan of several atheist posters on this site.

Though I am not a fan of abortion, I do believe in the woman's right to choose. I don't think abortions should be used just as a means of birth control. But that's my own personal opinion and I would never impose that as rule for everyone to be forced to follow.

I think they should leave Row v. Wade alone. I was thinking what it would have been like for my wife and I had R. v. Wade been overturned at the time.

From the moment we found out he had that disease it took a whole week to get an appointment to terminate the pregnancy, mind you that may not sound like a very long time, but it is when the baby is moving around inside. A constant reminder of his imminent demise.

For the first two days I couldn't bring myself to touch her abdomen and spend that time with him. But after that I wanted to send as much love as I could to him.

Had Roe v. Wade been turned over it would have taken months more to get permission from the courts to allow this. So I can only say that this right must never be taken away from the woman and given to the courts to decide. Everyone knows the wheels of justice turn slowly. I would have went out of my mind had we been forced to wait. Then what if the court said NO?

Being through what I have this year I kinda take offense to your tone about abortions and atheists. No, I do have problems with abortion. But sometimes it is necessary. So if I were you I would rethink my position cause guess what, sunshine? It could happen to you or a loved one. The irony of it alone would devestate you, but I could guarantee you wouldn't hesistate to do the exact same if you were in our position.

With that being said, (and I very seldom use vulgarities) SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE!!!!

Emanuel,

What does this post have anything to do with abortion anyway? Are you looking for anything you can to be obnoxious?

Dave8 and Anonymous have taken care of you quite well, but people like you infuriate me.

I am a woman and an atheist, and I have every right to abort or not abort, it is called choice, and you have no right to get into my head, my life or my bedroom and tell me otherwise. What the hell ever happened to giving people the ability to make choices on their own? Are the xtians so obsessed with what they "think" is right or wrong that they would have my rights revoked? I have the moral obligation and no one else, to make the decision to have a child, so get the hell out of my uterus and every other woman's uterus for that matter.

I have no problem in believing you are lying about your allegations of discussions with atheists rearding aborting a baby so close to birth, because you are constantly coming here making such ridiculous statements you are not to be trusted.

You are the typical xtian who places women under their feet, and that includes the mythical god almighty of your holy babble, for he is the worst offender and degrader of women!

cdmon,

I read your post after I posted, and I am very sorry for the loss of your baby. What a painful decision to have to make.
I can't imagine what you and your wife must have gone through.

Take care, Buni

Emanuel is certainly wrong: atheists do not share any particular viewpoint about abortion. I have been out from under the burden of belief in the supernatural for almost thirty years now. My several posts to this site are testimony.

Emanuel, I am an atheist (one having no belief in god). At the same time, I am very conservative in my viewpoint on abortion because I think (not "believe") that an unborn child is a developing person deserving of certain rights. That said, I am not dogmatic. My view reflects nuance and I respect hard decisions in life, such as cdmon shared before.

I do not argue about abortion and certainly will not do so on this site. My point, Emanuel, is that atheists are not clones. Christians take false comfort in stereotyping atheists as uniform children of perdition. We are alike in one thing, at least: We know of no credible evidence that gods or unicorns exist.

Cdmon, sorry to hear of your loss, hope you and your family are recovering well... Emanuel, typically sneaks in under a pseudo-name, and when he gets a few inches chopped off of him, he comes back under his typical name EG, and plants a few landmines on the way out, as his signature, as if no one knew he was here to begin with under a different name, its his typical modus operandi... He's so mentally shallow, I am not sure he knows what he believes... Again, hope you are recovering well, take care...

Dave8 said...
"Cdmon, sorry to hear of your loss, hope you and your family are recovering well..."

My humblest thanx, Dave8. We are healing, and practicing to get pregnant again. My wife is taking folic acid and prenatals and has been a fountain of strength and we have a great support system who were with us every step of the way.

re: EG, yeah, it's only obvious that when some people get brainwashed, it seems to take the neural synapsis that connects the thinking capacity of the brain and reroutes it to the skin around their anal cavity and their taint. (Okay so biology was not my strong suit, but you get the point.)

Thanx again Dave8. P.S. I'm still a big fan.

Cheers

ps.. What our son had there is a 1 in 100,000 chance to get.

Cheers

Thanx Buni, I missed your post earlier. BTW I always enjoy your posts too.

Cheers

This person Emanual Goldstein is a very irate man, he's slowly coming to the realization that he has been had, he's been taken, he's been slapped in the face with his God, after giving money and witnessing for Jesus and nothing ever happens, no miracles, no mystical intervention, he is trying to blame the Atheists for exposing him and his religion as a fraud instead of blaming himself for being such a fool. It's just another ploy that the self claimers use, rather than see his own mistakes, EG has to blame someone, it's like having withdraw symptoms, he needs his religious fix, but we take the religious drug away from him, and his reaction is in the form of hatred.

Sorry Emanual but you have nothing in religion, you've been bamboozled by the church lie and religion, you've shown us all here just what it's like to have the religious lie taken away, we never blamed the Atheists for that, we blame the preachers and the bible writers, the 2000 year old lie that is not easily quelched, this is what is so unbelievable to Atheists is, to think that a lie concocted over 2000 years ago is still being pasted off as being true. What is missing in a persons life that they need a lie to get them through the day, or week, or years?
What is it about a religious lie that makes people want to believe in something so outrageous, so far fetched, so outlandish, so childish, is it from the father/child relationship that so many of us have been abandoned by the love from our own fathers? Could it be from that, our fathers just wanted sex from the female and abandoned all his children with his love and blames the woman for having taunting him in the first place? This is what all of society wants, it's that deserving love that was abandoned from our fathers, there's hardly a person that I have ever talked to, that has not said that they have hated their fathers at one time in their life. This hatred is deep seated in every person that has ever lived, including the people that wrote the bible. The bible was written by the premise of the hatred between father and child, imagine that the father is like a triggered mousetrap ready to snap, and if the child touches the trip mechanism, they get their hand slapped harshly, instead of receiving love, understanding and compassion, they get a scolding, and this mental mind game goes on all their life, people look to religion to replace the deserving childhood love abandoned by their fathers, but religion offers nothing but confusion and entrapment. Religion is a sick and demented concept, that cannot be deminished by common sense and reasoning. Religion needs to be exposed for what it is and for what it represents, this is the sole purpose of this wonderful website, and it has done a wonderful job in exposing religion as the lie and falsehood that it is.

Emanuel, too bad you mother didn't have an abortion.

May the Dark Mother eat your soul....

EG said (copied from yahoo list because it doesn't appear here yet)

"Quite amusing list of what atheists claim...that is, that they simply have a "lack of belief" and then they proceed to pass judgment on every subject you can name.

Cdmons case of course does not explain the bitch who kills her healthy baby just because she fucked without precautions.





I am not about to fall for your lies, as I was RAISED by an atheists...and they DO have a common trait, basless arrogance that allows them feel free to do whatever they want to the inferiors who are not as "bright" as they are.

My grandparents taught me what life was like in a country run by atheists; otherwise I might have fallen for some of my uncle's lies since he raised me until his timely death from booze.

ALL atheists have this totalitarian mind set...and I will never support any professed atheist for political office.

I WILL STATE MY VIEWS ON EVERY ATHEIST SITE I CAN."

Well EG, perhaps as god_not posted that atheists are not the only one's who have abortions.

I once read about a convent that was torn down in San Francisco. They found numerous remains of dead babies (full term, mind you) buried in the walls. This as the nuns who delivered said babies would not bring reproach upon the church.

I'm sure that there are far more incidents of people killing their babies because of fear of their church finding out they were ever impregnated.

We often see on the news young girls from religious families placing their babies in dumpsters so their domineering religious parents wouldn't find out.

So your claims that abortions and killing of babies are purely atheistic, I must protest. Though I don't have any statistical data, I know that plenty of abortions and baby killings have been done under the influence of xianity. I'd be willing to wager that amount is higher among xians. After all the bible gives many instances of baby killing under the direction of their god.

It is sad that you have such a glaring hatred of atheists. It seems that if your uncle who raised you was an alcoholic, that perhaps your anger has been misplaced.

I too have seen the devastation alcoholism can do to a family, and for THAT you have my sympathies. Also that seems to explain a lot about your outbursts on this site. But let's keep things in perpective.

I know many who claim to be xian that are also severe alcoholics. There are also many whose lives are steeped deeply in methamphetamine use and yet they praise the lord louder as much as anyone else on sundays.

Alcohol and chemical dependancy does NOT discriminate between the religious and Non-religious. So it appears from your own words you have some issues stemming from being mistreated by an alcoholic. Then the hatred of atheists was further ingrained into you by your grandfather.

Not all athiests are alcoholics. That might be hard for you to hear or imagine because you were taught hatred of atheists, albeit true.

So I say this to you EG in all humility, you really need to seek some counseling.

Regarding your political and religious views, you are welcome to your views as misguided as they are.

But all in all I think your anger is totally misplaced. You were a victim of an alcoholic, and perhaps because your uncle was an atheist you've generalized that all atheists are the same because of it.

Then you've brought in abortion and other issues that really have nothing to do with atheism and wrapped your hatred of atheism into one bundle.

Well, EG, I am not an atheist, I am a Pagan. But I too have disagreements with xianity, therefore I share that common ground with atheists and agnostics and I will stand with them against the xian mind virus.

It appears you are not very educated, and just wish to lash out at us. But I reiterate get some help to overcome that misplaced anger. You'll feel 100% better then you can study religion or non-religion and bring up some valid arguments instead of posting the erratic stuff you've been posting.

Good luck to you, and come back after you get some help.


Cheers

EG's post was deleted by me for calling CD's wife names.

Thanx WM, because the under those circumstances the tone of my last post would have been significantly different.

Cheers

cdmon: "...it's only obvious that when some people get brainwashed, it seems to take the neural synapsis that connects the thinking capacity of the brain and reroutes it to the skin around their anal cavity and their taint."

Well, EG is an anomaly, when most humans develope, their neural centers start in the cranium and branch outward throughout the body... EG's neural development started, where most male prostates reside... If my hypothesis, is correct, a simple flick on his forehead with the index finger, will cause him to pass wind, through one of his many cranial vents... somehow, his fingers reside somewhere in the middle, and typcially we get posts, that are half coherent and half waste... take care...

Dave8 said: "EG's neural development started, where most male prostates reside..."

Well at least I was in the right general vicinity.
LOL...

Cheers

I don't know if this would be considered evidence that not all atheist are for abortions but here it is:

www.godlessprolifers.org

Just an interesting set of comments. Most of you have no problem lambasting this guy for lumping athesists together as one big group, but you yourselves lump Xtians together in one big group. How hypocritical is that? Even onanit's original post "These xtians are so very sick!" is a good example of this. We all need to be careful with generalizations.

Your old testament god is an abortionist. How many pregnant women died in the flood? How many innocent, pregnant women died through out the bible?

Since you ignorant christians believe that babies go to Heaven, wouldn't it be better to kill them now and they have guaranteed heaven, than to grow up and be an ignorant jackass like you? You missed your chance, you're destined straight as a arrow into the fiery pits of a flaming boiling lava pit lake of hell fire and brimstone and knashing of your false teeth for all eternity.

I realize this statement is well after the fact, but I can't help getting here late.

Anyway, I happen to be a pro-life atheist. Many people, from many faiths and non-faiths, really need to learn to broaden their horizons when attempting to factor politics into one's belief system.