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By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

A jilted Long Island husband is suing his pastor, the Presbytery of New York City and one of its largest churches, saying that the pastor seduced his wife and destroyed his "faith and trust" in the church and in the institution of marriage.

The husband, Joseph Vione, 43, who had been living in Garden City, says in papers filed last week in State Supreme Court in Manhattan that the Rev. Thomas K. Tewell, 56, the senior pastor of the Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church in Midtown Manhattan, used confidential information obtained during marriage counseling to seduce Mr. Vione's wife, Rachel, 42. Mr. Vione has filed for divorce.

To cover his tracks and to further his relationship with Ms. Vione, court papers say, Dr. Tewell encouraged the couple to join couples clubs and family ministries and attend marriage retreats that he presided over.

The suit also says that officials of the Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church, which has nearly 4,000 members, knew of allegations from anonymous parishioners that Dr. Tewell had exploited his position at the church "to prey on" other women by engaging in illicit relationships with them, but did not investigate.

Bob Brennan, director of communications for the church, at 7 West 55th Street, said yesterday that the allegations in the lawsuit were "very sad" and that Dr. Tewell was on an administrative leave of absence while the church conducted its own investigation. He said the Viones remained on the church rolls as members, though he did not know whether they were active.

Barry Fisher, a lawyer for Rachel Vione, declined to comment yesterday.

Mr. Vione is seeking $1 million in damages for what he says was Dr. Tewell's failure to adhere to the "standard of care for a clergyman" of his stature; $3 million for loss of faith and trust in the church, in his religion and in the institution of marriage; and $1 million for emotional trauma.

During the 10 years in which the Viones were members of the church, the pastor was such a trusted figure, the papers say, that he presided over the baptism of the couple's daughter and the communions and confirmations of their children. Through his role as a spiritual and marital adviser, Dr. Tewell obtained Mr. Vione's confidence and "exercised influence and control over him," according to court papers.

Dr. Tewell and his wife, Suzanne, have been married for 30 years.

The lawsuit says that in May 2001, Dr. Tewell invited the Viones to his home, where he told them that Mike Peters, a clerk at the church, had informed him that parishioners had been gossiping about an affair between the pastor and Ms. Vione. At that meeting, Ms. Vione and Dr. Tewell denied having an affair, according to the suit.

When Mr. Vione later asked the church to conduct an investigation to clear his wife's name, the lawsuit says, the clerk dissuaded him, saying that it was not necessary because the accusations were false and that it would mean bad publicity for the church.

UPDATE: May 27, 2006

MORE CHURCH LADIES IN 'SCANDAL'

A randy reverend who was having an affair with a parishioner to whom he was giving "marriage counseling" tried to tempt other female members of his flock as well, court papers charge.

The Rev. Thomas Tewell - who's being sued by former Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church parishioner Joseph Vione for carrying on trysts with his wife while he was supposedly counseling them - allegedly tried the same maneuver on others.

In court filings made public yesterday, Vione said that in 2002, three anonymous church members complained to a church official that Tewell "had exploited his position" at the East Side church "to prey on women to whom he was providing spiritual and marital counseling for the covert and clandestine purposes of surreptitiously engaging in illicit relationships."

The church "failed and/or refused to investigate" the allegations - allowing Tewell, 56, and Rachel Vione, 42, to carry on their affair for years, the suit says.

Tewell's lawyer, Herb Teitelbaum, scoffed at the new allegation. "This is a trumped-up case, from beginning to end," he said.

But in a landmark decision released yesterday, Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Shirley Werner Kornreich allowed Vione's $6 million suit against the priest and the church to move forward. The judge found that the suit "alleges acts of disloyalty and injurious conduct" and that church officials could be culpable for looking the other way.

Kornreich wrote that the legal claims could prove Tewell was "deceiving plaintiff and undermining his marriage, while continuing to act as his marriage counselor."

The unholy communing apparently started in January 2002, which is when Vione's suit says his leggy blond wife started attending more and more of Tewell's church "meetings."

That May, Tewell asked the couple to come over to his house to tell them three anonymous church members had alleged to church officials that Tewell and Rachel were having an affair, the suit says. Both denied the charge to their spouses.

Vione said he wanted an investigation done to clear their names, but a church clerk talked him out of it, the suit says. Tewell "urged [Vione] to continue to attend marital counseling" and urged he and Rachel "to attend more of the weekend long 'marriage retreats' in upstate New York," the suit says.

Rachel came clean about her relationship with the reverend in January 2005, and Vione is now suing her for divorce.

Vione's lawyer, Francis Fineo, said his client was pleased with Kornreich's ruling.

Teitelbaum said he planned to appeal. He noted that Kornreich had dismissed some of the claims against Tewell and the church, and predicted that the whole case would eventually be tossed because Tewell "never counseled" Vione.

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UPDATE December 21, 2006:

RANDY REV. IS RAPPED

December 18, 2006 -- The randy reverend who fell from grace - and from his job leading a ritzy Fifth Avenue church - because of an adulterous affair with a married blond congregant has been suspended as a minister until July after pleading guilty in a clerical inquiry.

The Rev. Thomas Tewell also has been barred from formally or informally working in any Presbyterian parish until 2009 as part of a written censure issued by the New York City Presbytery on Thursday.

And the married minister must give Presbytery officials semiannual reports from the therapist who is counseling him as part of a mandated "rehabilitation program."

Tewell, 57, confessed to "engaging in verbal and physical conduct of a sexual nature with a married member of your congregation who was not your spouse," the censure stated.

The censure came two months after an apparent settlement of a lawsuit against Tewell and the Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church by the man cuckolded by the charismatic cleric.

Tewell had been the senior pastor at the church, where he was credited with significantly boosting membership with his stirring sermons.

But in mid-2005, he was accused of having an inappropriate relationship with Rachel Vione, a 43-year-old Long Island woman who at the time was attending divinity school with the intention of becoming a minister.

Vione also was an active church volunteer with her husband, Joe Vione.

The sex scandal prompted Tewell to take a leave as pastor of the church in August 2005 and resign as a trustee of the prestigious Princeton Theological Seminary.

Barely two months later, Tewell resigned as pastor.

In the meantime, Joe Vione sued his wife for divorce, then later filed a $5 million suit against Tewell and Fifth Avenue Presbyterian that called the minister a sexual "predator" who seduced Rachel while giving the couple marriage counseling.

The suit revealed that Tewell and Rachel were first accused of having an affair in 2001 but that at the time they denied it.

Court records indicate that Joe Vione's suit was disposed of in mid-October.

A former church congregant said church officials have indicated Vione was paid an undisclosed amount of money in exchange for his dropping the suit.

Neither of the Viones nor Tewell could be reached for comment.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok, I was on staff at Fifth Avenue and know that Tom Tewell is a womanizer. He behaved inappropriately with me on several occassions and I resigned because of his behavior (lies and deceit). He is not the man that everyone thinks he is. He does have a big ego. He's an excellent speaker from the pulpit and is a trained actor. He wants everyone to like him and he finally got caught.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
What sadness I feel for Suzanne, their two sons and three grandchildren. Dr.Tewell was the messenger-not The Message. My prayers are with his wife, children and grandchildren. Yes, he scaled to the top of the Presbyterian mountain and he fell off. He's human.

Now, everyone is lining up to throw stones,piling on as it were. He is paying dearly for his actions, but has anyone stopped to think how their sarcastic remarks and reactions are affecting his FAMILY ?

We were members at MDPC and I DO know he gave that Church a renewed sense of ' Being the Difference,'and made a difference in the lives of those less fortunate.

Yes he will probably spend the proverbial 40 years in the wilderness. But please: think about his wife and sons the next time anyone is so inclined to pass judgement.

They are in this too, and they certainly did not choose to be.

Suzanne is a fine lady,an adopted 'Southern gentlewoman', who has always had incredible faith in God.

It is between them now. God has forgiven him. And something tells me, she has forgiven him as well.

And if she can forgive him and their sons can forgive him, then this is for them to work through and work out.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
It is hard for me to believe that Tom Tewell is a womanizer as anonymous above declares. There was never a hint of this at MDPC in Houston the years he was there. it seems to me that something like this would have come out. Also if he were a womanizer would he have just started at FAPC? Usually there is a history and I never heard of this in Houston.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thanks to Dave and others who have tried to convey the humanity of Tom Tewell. Though I was a rather infrequent visitor of FAPC, Tewell's intelligent (and non-canonical) approach to the complexities of living often provided much-needed spiritual sustenance. I have no "inside information" about his personal life, nor any idea about church politics, etc. .... yet, I do want to say that those who have villified him here might look to their own sanctimoniousness... your attacks sound very much like the ignorance you would eradicate... many who are exploring spirituality from various perspectives, whether Christian or Buddhist or ....?... understand that religion in all its guises has been misused, yet that doesn't negate the human desire for spiritual meaning... and shooting the "enemy" without giving him a face is a little like what war is about... is that what you want???

Though, again, I am only a "visitor" at FAPC, it is clear that Tewell has had an enormously positive impact on individuals and the community at large and I am very disturbed that this "incident" obscures all the good that Tewell has done. How many of us have done so much?


Anonymous Dave8 said...
anonymous 12/26/2005 8:40 PM: "Though, again, I am only a "visitor" at FAPC, it is clear that Tewell has had an enormously positive impact on individuals and the community at large and I am very disturbed that this "incident" obscures all the good that Tewell has done. How many of us have done so much?"

Hitler's had devoted followers that likely thought he had an "enormously positive impact on individuals and the community at large" for Germany, as he was marching through Europe... I suppose, you need to clarify "How many of us have done so much?"... if your standard is the "positive impact" for "humanity" as a whole... I dare say, he is humbled before "many" people, who don't preach using doctrine that is immoral, and exclusive, which begets intolerance and bigotry... uh, that would be the "exclusivity" of the bible, per the Old Testament and New Testament... It appears you assign positive impact, to those who receive some "benefit" from his preaching, i.e., pseudo-purpose of life, founded with a security blanket in the afterlife...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just to clarify... I should have said "thank you" to EnWyCee and Mark....I incorrectly identified Dave as a rational voice....


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just to clarify... I should have said "thank you" to Dave... I incorrectly identified EnWyCee and Mark as rational voices....


Anonymous NYCchurchgoer said...
What have we learned about church governance? How to use the facts of life to run individual houses of worship is the challenge that all denominations are facing as they find ways to set policy and train leaders and congregations in how to use prevention rather than cure as the focus of church policy. Those that don't may find that the insurance companies will educate them as a requirement for writing the insurance policies. As these cases are publicized, two things happen: more people see the problem and more people will look for solutions. Insurance companies don't want to make pay-outs--they'd rather prevent the claims--they make money by not handing out a mil her, a mil there. As we know. So, the capitalists among us may be the trend-setters in helping houses of worship meet the demands of life with written policies and means to enforce them that everyone knows. Because it is a suprise to many people that there is such a thing as an "inappropriate relationship" that has actual meanings and definitions--until you find--as we did--your church the subject of widespread publicity. Then the laity learns what's what. That is, if they start educating themselves. Thinking it won't happen here, we're too sophisticated, or some claptrap is what will land you up a creek--far far up a creek--without a paddle.


Anonymous Helen Locker said...
I am a long time member of Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston and Tom Tewell was one of my pastors in the most difficult time of my life. My youngest son was killed in an automobile accident and I have to tell you the support and love that I received from Tommy (as Charlie Shedd called him) plus the care and love from staff and members of MDPC helped me to life again. It took a long time, but Tom never gave up on me and we should not give up on Tom. He is not a womanizer, he is a loving friend and pastor. Thankfully my pastors have always taught that I am a forgiven child of God and so are you and so is Tom, if indeed he had this relationship. I just want Tom to know that I love him and God loves him too. Helen


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I was a longtime member of Fifth Avenue Church and left after Tom Tewell had been there for two years. He is definitely a womanizer. He acted inappropriately with me, making passes at me on several occasions. It is possible that his ego (which is huge) had grown some since Texas days. I worked closely with him on several committees and spent a week outside of the country with him, so I had more than a casual knowledge of his behavior. I experienced him as shallow and insincere, with a deep desire to be in the limelight at all times. The amount of pastor-worship that was taking place at Fifth Avenue was nauseating. I left.

Suzanne is a fine person who deserves much better. I feel great sadness for her, and for her boys. Shame on Tom!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have known Tom Tewell for over 20 years and always found him to be a caring minister to all and an outstanding preacher. I for one am very sorry that Fifth Avenue accepted his resignation and feel the church will lose a lot of members. He's always been very devoted to his family and I feel this suit was initiated by a very vindictive man who chose to collect a lot of money and destroy a man's career. Mr. Vione had an affair and if Tom made a mistake, it was being too caring to others. Suzanne is a very special person and if anything, their marriage is stronger today than ever. All who know and love Tom hope that he will continue in the ministry. An elder friend once heard him many years ago preach in New Providence and stated "I've been looking for a minister like that all my life."
He was, and will continue to be, very special to all who know and love him.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I learned today at church in Bonita Springs, Florida about Tom Tewell's alleged affair and resignation. While I don't know the details, I can say without hesitation that he had a very positive impact on my life and my children's lives. May God be with you Tom....Jim Schultz


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't know Dr. Tewell that well, but know that his preaching was amazing. Amazing to the point that when I moved from New York to Tokyo I would download his sermons every Sunday and listen to them. I still own all the tapes and every now and then pop one in to listen. I can't condone such behaviour, if it is indeed true, but I also know that I owe him a huge thank you for the difference he has made in my life.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
It is unfortunate that we have to visit a site like this to learn the truth and not from those who purport to believe in Truth above all else.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
One thing that puzzles FAPC churchgoers was the comment said to be in 1994 from the clerk of session of his Houston church to the clerk of session at FAPC that was repeated at a church event fall 2004 from the pulpit by someone, as giving advice of a sort. While we at FAPC are as puzzled by this turn of events as anyone, we wonder what, if anything, was different for him there and here. Did he change how he was, or did it just come across differently? It would be interesting to compare notes, if only to know what we could have done differently as prevention.

The congregation is mostly single people, not families, in Midtown Manhattan, typical of NYC, and those single people are mostly women, as in typical in NYC houses of worhip.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone know what has happened to him? Is the suit pending? Is he living w/Suzanne?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I just became aware of this situation. Two questions: first, do we know what Rev. Tewell is doing now? Second, is the allegation that he had an emotional fair, ONLY, with this woman? Has anyone proved a physical affair?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have knwon Rev. Tewell for his reign at Fifth Ave. While of course every high profile, big church minister must be a politician, fund raiser, hand shaker, in order to run a big church. That said, Tom was always down to earth with my family, delivered fantastic sermons consistantly each week and believed in his faith each and every day. While it seems that Tom had a brain freeze at some point here, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. Tom's ministry is not done. Look for even greater things from him in the future.


Anonymous carol said...
What a bunch of idiots these babble believers are. "He preached a good sermon." BFD!!! He is nothing but a nonsense salesman who cons sad people that need some type of crutch to get thru their lives.

"Look for even greater things for him in the future." Greater than adultery? What would that be? Child molesting, perhaps?

Then on another thread someone again is so hurt we are mocking their imaginary friend. Makes me want to just scream out of frustration!

Hello to Dave8, Boom, South and everyone!

Regards, carol


Anonymous Ben said...
These comments praising and supporting these preachers just astonish me, it's just amazing.

What can someone say with words that have made an impact in your life? Words are just noises made by people.

What one thing can someone say to you, that you could have gotten on your own, if you had just wanted to?

Words of comfort perhaps?
Words of encouragement?
Words of enlitenment?

In the end they are just words!!! you people, just like all Americans are being HERDED around by WORDS!!!

It was WORDS that were written down on clay tablets, by men, translated over 1600 times transcribed down in a BOOK, by men!

You people put your faith in MEN and their WORDS!!!

Preachers are just people, special people? NO! The bible says not one is worthy of the kingdom of god, yet you must elect a person that pretends that he is "Holyier" than thou!!!

This one person wrote about her son being killed in a car wreck and he supplied comfort to her, what could he have said? That his soul is resting in Heaven now? Does saying such a thing prove it's true? No it had to be a preacher saying it, that confirmed it in your mind.

Why can't you all see that it's just WORDS that you've allowed let dominate your very being?

Words do not supply truth!!!

It's all PRETENDING!!!
You're all pretending it's true!!!
You're all pretending that you believe in the bible!!!!
You're all pretending that you're someone special!!!!
Pretending is living in a LIE!!!

THe bible is the GREAT MAKE BELIEVE LIE!!!

IT's SANTA CLAUS with a BIG PROMISE!!!

You christians are a sick lot, the American people have become a spawn of mindless drivel'ers.

Whomever will get up and speak, we will follow!!!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
LIES!!! LIES!!! LIES!!! Tell me sweet little lies, Fleetwood Mac.

Preachers and politicians are professional LIARS!!!


Anonymous Dave8 said...
There is a difference between a preacher and a politician typically. A preacher many times actually believes what they preach, where politicians know better, but still sell their words to the masses. However, there are many preachers, who are also politicians, and they are the ones who move entire masses of people to commit crimes against humanity.

In the end, both preachers and politicians are word peddlers, and people have a responsibility to make them prove their words. However, that is where authority and force come into play, as both preacher and politician will engage in control behaviors, i.e., alienating, chastising, etc., anyone who takes a different view than they themselves hold.


Anonymous Dave8 said...
Oops, pardon, but preachers who also believe in their words, are likely to mislead the masses in acts of hostility, they just seem to do it through delusional ignorance, in the end, its a matter of determining accountability. I typically, would want to see the political punished far greater, than a delusional preacher who is just sorely ignorant, and a by-product of their upbringing most times. Still, I would isolate a preacher who obviously shows negative effects towards a society and humanity in general. Still, they're all word peddlers.


Anonymous Michael said...
As Christians, we shall not judge or condemn. Tom has left us. As hard as it may be, we forgive.
I am not ready to cast the first stone.
Who among us would like to see our sins made public.
I forgive as Christ would
Michael


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
I heard this same pathetic rhetoric when Jim Baker was arrested.

The way Christians worship their pastors is amazing.

Sad.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Of course Tom Tewell was just a meesenger. How do some of you think we just worshipped Tom and not God. All I can say is that Rev. Tewell each week renewed my spirit and gave me a recharged spirit to start my week. Without Tom;s insight, ( which comes down from God) life was just muttled.
Regardless what he did, he was a conduit.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
First of all, it has not been said exactly what happened with Rev. Tewell and the woman. Tom has paid the highest price. God has forgiven him. I am sure Suzanne has forgiven him. This country always wants to hammer those who are down even deeper down. What would Jesus do? Please guys---get a life and forgive.


Anonymous Christine said...
I have known Rev. Tewell for many years and while I believe that he made a terrible mistake, the positive things that he gave us and the church should not be forgotten. He has helped many people and brough many people to Christ. While some of you call him a salesman--YES! ministers are! And so were the desciples and early church founders!!


Anonymous Joel said...
Lets hope that some of the contributors here do not make a bad decision one day. It would be a terrible world if we did not forgive. In fact God will forgive us all on the judgement day for our small and large sins if we confess our faith. We should all wish that we could convey the message as Rev. Tewell did. I guess we are all jealous?


Anonymous Paul said...
This is a sad site where all we do is bash ministers. Does one mistake make all ministers bad? No! Does a mistake by Rev. Tewell make him a bad person? No! We should all thank God for our ministers who day to day bring us closer to Christ. Like none of us has been tempted or swayed. Get a life people!


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
Okay, let me get this straight. Here's what I'm receiving from the last few posts:

Tom Tewell made me feel good. He made me feel so good that I want to feel that good again, and no one, absolutely no one, has the right to have an opinion contrary to mine, because, well, because, well, he made me feel good. And that's the way I feel about it.

Did I get it right?

I wonder if your supervisor at work were to have a similar "slip" if you would be so accepting? If your supervisor, or manager, made such a slip, would you expect your supervisor to be relieved of his/her position?

You see, people who take on the mantle of leadership are held to a higher standard than those in the trenches. It's like that in the military and in the workplace. It's interesting that leaders in the Church of the Living God are held to lower standard in the minds of some posters here.

Perhaps it's because supervisors, drill sergeants and so on, don't make people feel all that good most of the time. Let's see, managers tell you what do to do, and when you do it, you get money. Pastors tell you what to do and take your money. Supervision is hated - pastors are loved.

I'm sorry, it just doesn't make sense.

I guess that's why Swaggart is back on TV.


Anonymous X-fundy said...
The BW'ed fundy Paul wrote:

Does one mistake make all ministers bad? No!

Does one mistake two people did, Adam and Eve, make all people ever born, have to ask for forgiveness to pay for their sins? YES


Anonymous NYCChurchgoer said...
The civil suit against Dr. Tewell/Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church/Presbytery of NYC is currently in the courts. The judge will hear oral arguments next month and make the decision to dismiss the suit or accept one, two or three of the causes of action. There has been no ruling issued by the Presbytery of NY as of this date. Further "why's" are outside the scope of this post. At this writing everyone is still married to the same people they were married to 12 months ago.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think the "Webmaster" should GET A LIFE!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tom Tewell announced in August 2005 that the session of FAPC had voted to join the Covenant Network--an organization supporting ordination of gay pastors, elders and deacons. He was simultaneously slammed with a lawsuit. Coincidence?

Christians,"ExChristians" and everyone else who values civil liberty should consider whether this country is being looted by religious fanatics. Like him or not, Tom Tewell is just another casualty in the ongoing attack on individual rights.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm sure many people do not know what to make of all this. I certainly do not know much about what has happened as I have been away for a while from New York City and am just coming back. I read the letters and have heard the talk. And still things are very confusing.

But I do know this. Tom Tewell is a very fine man. He changed my life. His love of Christ and His Church as expressed from the pulpit and from the small talk exchanged weekly at the shaking of hands soon thereafter, saved me from taking my own life when I thought everything was lost. The fact that I am alive and well this morning and able to write this letter is directly due to Tom's caring and his God given abilities which he shared with me and with so many others who were fortunate enough to know him.

I was a very lost man who had about given up on life despite being deemed a successful man by those who thought they knew me. Yet, I was lost and at the edge of the abyss until I quite by accident walked into Fifth Avenue one Sunday morning and heard a message that was nothing like anything I had ever heard before. I believed in him that day and I believe in him now.

If Tom did something wrong and I would think that he should be entitled to present his side of this matter before anyone makes any judgment whatsoever, I would think that we should all remember that Our Savior told us that not only should we not make jusgments on others but also that only we who are without sin should be the bearer of the stones to toss. Didn't King David in Psalm 103:12 comfort us with the thought that the love of God is so great and transcends sin that "as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." We have all made mistakes in our lives. I do not know if Dr. Tewell made one in this instance but I know God loves him and has forgiven him if in fact he did.

My friends, I love Tom Tewell with all my heart. I pray from him and his family daily and for all that are involved in this matter. The vastness of God's love is supremely shown in His forgiveness of our sins. We should not forget that.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am 53 years old and I cannot figure out how people can develope such supreme loyalty to another human based on what he has told them. All preachers have figured out by observation, of other preachers that they can drag people around by their ears.

It's just like teaching to be a kamakazi, look at Jim Jones, David Koresh, Heavens Gate people.

I want to know just what a preacher can say with their lips that would cause someone either to kill themselves or someone else, or what a preacher could say with his lips to someone, to thwart a person from killing themselves.

Is it, GOD LOVES YOU, is this what everyone wants to hear?

Is it, JESUS LOVES YOU, is this what you want to hear?

Is it, YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN, is this what you want to hear?

Is it, YOU ARE A SINNER, BUT YOU ARE SAVED, is that what you people want to hear.

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR?
WHAT WORDS? WORDS OF COMFORT? WORDS OF HOPE? WORDS OF PRAISE? WORDS OF JESUS? WORDS OF GOD? WORDS OF A MAN? KIND WORDS? THOUGHTFUL WORDS? WHAT WORDS DO YOU ALL WANT AND DESIRE SO MUCH TO HEAR?

I had a dear friend, very devoted christian, we were young, we grew up togther and went to school together he was very intelligent, made straight A's in everything including church, I never heard a negative word come this mans mouth, people would tease him, because he could not see very well, he was legally blind, not totally blind, but he could not drive a car, he could only see close up things with the help of glasses, anyway he had a string of medals that he proudly wore that he acquired by perfect attendence having never missing Sundays at church at least 18 medals, and he would go up to the alter call every so often profess and re-dedicate his life to Christ, and all us not as religious, would wonder why, why would my friend go up and confess his sins and his love for Christ, the one friend and only friend since, that I considered to be pure and Holy. I considered him sinless, I believed in him as much or more than Jesus himself, because I knew this man very well, I spent a lot of time with this man. Anyway as time goes on, I got married and moved away for a couple of years, and one day I came back to my home town and heard that my good friend had killed himself, I said you must be mistaken, there is no way this man would kill himself, this man of God! this man of Jesus? Well apparently he fell in love with a woman and she left him and he felt rejected and decided life wasn't worth living without a woman. This is a true story. Of course I was devastated and it haunts me to this very day and that was 30 years ago.

I believe we've all been secured from birth, by words, by parents, by people, people actions, by false endearments, that we are so afraid to admit that we are all alone in this world, it's the fear of being rejected, by friends, by parents, by preachers, by god and jesus.

It appears that words validate us. Words make us worthy beings.
Words take us back to our childhood, because that is where it all began.

Word peddlers like preachers and politicians know this and use this knowledge to sway and to minipulate people to conform and to control.

One question is.
WHAT WOULD PEOPLE HAVE DONE IF THEY NEVER HAD HEARD OR SEEN A BIBLE?

WHAT WOULD PEOPLE DO WITHOUT A BIBLE?

THE BIBLE, MANS CURE ALL, MANS FALSE COMFORT, MANS FANTASY, MANS FALSE HOPE, MANS DREAM FOR THE HERE-AFTER, MANS MAKE BELIEVE FAIRYTALE

IS THE BIBLE IS SUPPOSED TO SAVE MAN FROM HIMSELF?

What is in words that control and sway amd minipulate so many?

Words are just noises made with the lips and are written down in books. Ben


Blogger Friend of Tom said...
My wife and I became members of the New Providence Presbyterian Church in New Providence, NJ. My sister invited us to come one Sunday since we did not have a church. To our astonishment it was a standing room only service. My sister said it is always like this and if you want a seat be there at least a half hour early.

That Sunday began a friendship that has lasted nearly 30 years and still continues. Tom is the consumate Christian. He says what he believes and believes what he says, all of which is based on Christ.

During the 12 years we were at the church our friendship grew and we watched as hundreds came to Christ because of Tom. We had become Junior High Advisors at the hillarious request of Tom as there was no program for these kids. Thanks to Tom and his guidance we watched the group grow from 5 to 6 to as many as 50. Tom would regularly come to our sessions and special events and offer his advise and talk to the kids and answer questions. Because of Tom we advisors became very close and still are to this day. More importantly we saw these "kids" grow into young adults, some going into the ministry and some into other Christian activities.

I will be forever greatful to Tom for getting me through some very difficult times. I had become an alcoholic, suffered from depression, and thoughts of suicide. Tom literally gave me his shoulder to cry on on many occasions. When we moved away we knew that we would likely not find another Tom Tewell and so far have not. Tom will forever be in our hearts and minds.

For those of you who believe the acusations are true and are chastising him remember what the Bible says: let he who is without sin cast the first stone. How many of you are without sin? I am not and certainly Tom is not. If there was any sin in this God has already forgiven him. How many of you can say that?

Most of you have written negative comments about Tom's character, that he is evil, egotistical, and a womanizer must be talking about a different Tom because this is not the Tom we know and love. In August 2004 we were fortunate enough to make a visit to NYC and see Tom again preaching. He stirred us as always. It was wonderful to see him again, vibrant and alive as ever.

For anyone who could even think that Tom has done this you are sorely wrong. I have known Tom longer than most of you. That does not make me an expert on Tom but it does give me more insight into his character. You people have destroyed a true Christian, shaken his wife Suzanne, and left his sons in disbelief.

I will do anything I can to defend Tom. He is the best friend we have and will be with him as long as we both are here. I will not leave this as "anonymous" as most of you have. God is on Tom's side and so am I.

Tom and Janette Brenner
Eternal Friend of Tom


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
"You people have destroyed a true Christian, shaken his wife Suzanne, and left his sons in disbelief."

Ah, no.

Tom got himself into trouble, not us. No one destroyed your hero, he tripped up, that's all.

When you put yourself above others, and proclaim yourself a leader, then you are held to a higher standard. Tom was obviously a dynamic and charismatic leader, hense the passionate, loyal worship of his followers. However, Mr. Brenner, Tommy boy is just a man, nothing more. He is NOT the Lord's annointed, but he WAS/IS in the news. When you're in the news, it's public discourse time. It's called freedom of speech — get over it.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have to agree with Mr. Brenner 100 percent. The church and our family has felt such a large void since Tom left last fall. Tom always went the second, third and fourth mile for every endeavor he was involved with. He has brought many people to CHrist and has always recharged our family each sunday to meet the demands of this terrible world. Sure, Tom has tripped up here, to what extent we may not ever know. He has received forgiveness from God and from his family and from his flock. He has resigned and embarassed himself with will follow him throughout the rest of his life. I know God will find a place for him in HIS ministry in a very short time and he will be even a better preacher. My only hope is that it is in the New York area. I suggest to those who just want to throw stones to examine THEIR lives and ask forgiveness for your sins. Then and only then can you understand God's forgiveness for us all and our ability to take those back into the flock after a problem. If only all of us had a tenth of what Tom Tewell has, it would be a much better world. People here, I guess are just jealous and love to get on a person when he or she is down. I guess that is why they are "ex-christians" They certainly are............


Blogger FatherTyme said...
You people just do not get it do you?

To fervently uphold compassion for a quack preacher just because he has tickled your ears and told you that you're going to Heaven, you will continue to lick his bottom up, because he was good to you, but yet has strung his (flock)you included and his flock (blindless-sheep) members along for the ride to your sweet endearment. You all never did grow up and get past the play pin mentally, because it's sweet endearment terms that you love to hear, you have never gone to church to hear the truth, one reason is, you'll never hear the truth at any church.


These preachers that you love so well, get up in public and profess to have some devine calling, and claim to hold a position that was granted to them by a god for being deemed worthy in a gods eyes, as all preachers do and take peoples money, on top of that, it's like Jesus hanging on the cross and suddenly saying, I was just kidding!

Someone said, if one apple in the barrell is bad, does that make all the apples bad? Yes it does! Because all the apples are claimng to be pure and without worms or rotten, now none of the apples can be trusted. If one preacher in the entire USA cannot abstain from committing crimes of the laws of this land, then this defrocks the whole entire bunch.

They're all crooks and total frauds and you might as well know it now.

All religions are a fraud and a hoax, it's all make believe child pretend for those that never grew up mentally.

All religions are for the sick and mentally ill. Sounds like you fit right in.

And yes anonymous brainwashed sheep of 11:37am, you're a total fraud yourself, you're a fake, and everything about you is a fraud and you know it, why else would you have to return to that idiots church because you want to hear how wonderful that your are, you have to get your religious fix.


Anonymous FAPC Member said...
Tom has paid the ultimate price for his sin (which has not yet been exactly stated as of yet)Anyone can say anything about anyone--it has to be proven. So whatever it is or was...he is forgiven. We all understand his reluctance to stay because of the controversey involved.

That said---you would have to go a long way to find anyone who is at least one half of what Tom Tewell is. Anyone who knows him (not through newspaper articles) certainly knows he is above the current problem and will come back stronger than ever.

This country loves to kick people who are having problems. I guess its the American way. So sad for a country who should still believe in the Motto " In God we trust"

Just watch and see.. Rev. Tewell will come back again stronger and without any remorse. Good people always rise to the top after trials and tribulations.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why do people do to church?

To hear what they want to hear.

Why would anyone pay another person money for no reason?

To hear just what they want to hear.

Why do people want to hear sweet endearment terms?

Because they never got them from their fathers.

So why is a preacher considered so special?

Because a preacher claims to have been called from his father(god).

Why is it that christians cannot see the hoax?

Because they've been told since childhood that god and religion is true.

Why does not anyone investigate and find out for themselves that all religions and god and preachers are all a hoax?

Because that would be like calling mother or father a liar.

No one ever called their parents liars about Santa or The Tooth Fairy, but still they found out it was all a lie.

What makes the Bible so much more believable?

It comes with a promise and a threat if you do not believe it.

Preachers keep people their flock scared, steeped in fear, knowing fullwell that it's all a lie and a hoax, but people are so afraid that they will get spanked by god for not believing such nonsense.

I cannot imagine living in constant fear of an imaginary god and support preachers that feed off their prey. All preachers are leeches, weasels, wolves in sheeps clothing.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
"I love the way Tom Tewell made me feel — I WILL forgive him for anything!"

"I don't like the way ex-Christians make me feel — they have no right to an opinion!"

Christian, hear me! Hero worship is a sin!


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think the title of this web site should be changed to: People that are mad.

Why is everyone so viicious against ministers? According to Ben if one is bad they are all bad? How does one condemn a whole part of our community in one shot?

Of course they are bad ministers. There are bad policemen, firemen, postal workers,bad husbands, bad wives, mayors etc. that does not condemn the whole human race.

The only way this web site can be looked at again, at least by me is for everyone look at both side objectivley and both sides of an argument.

Man, even if you dont believe in God...you have look at both sides and be reasonable to discussion without shooting from the hip.


Blogger Shannon said...
Tom Tewell supposedly had god’s power on his side and what’s more he had should have had something even more powerful called self-restraint. He used neither.

I’m quite certain if I had a friend who seemed genuinely kind. Did things for me that were nice yet turned around and flagrantly seduce my sister away her husband, I’d have to reconsider his motivation for his previous kindness towards me. (I’d have some nasty things to say about my sister, too).

Dr. Tewell’s previous pious behavior should not be employed as an example of his true character because his earlier benevolence should be viewed with suspicion.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
"Of course they are bad ministers. There are bad policemen, firemen, postal workers,bad husbands, bad wives, mayors etc. that does not condemn the whole human race."

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this comment?


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shannon,

I understand exactly what you are saying, although this man does not have a history of this problem. No one is allowed to have brain freeze at some point? No one is condoning what he did (whatever it is)but does that codemn the man forever?

A father who makes a mistake and robs a bank, is still a father and no one can take away the excellent way he may have brought up his kids even though he has now robbed a bank. Yes he should not have robbed the bank, but he was a good father and could possible still be a good father.

Tom was a good minister, has had a major problem. Does that mean he cannot redeem himself now?


Blogger FatherTyme said...
Dear preacher skeered anonymous, first off let me tell you I am a preacher, not of christianity, not of jesus, but of truth, which seems to you as being from hate, because you've never been told the truth before, you think that people telling you how wonderful that you are, is truth. It's not!


Here's the truth, before 1492, there was not a single Bible on American soil, before 1492,there was not a single church on American soil, before 1492, there had never been a christian on American soil, this land still belongs to the Native Americans, that the christians stole from them, there was estimated 150 million Indians, most all were killed, men women and children and elderly Indians, massacred in the name of God and Jesus Christ, and now you've got the gall to put some 2-bit preacher on high.

I personally dare you to got to:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

and scroll down to Native Peoples and read the whole thing and come back and tell us all how much you love jesus and Tom Tewell.

Do you really think there exist a God and Jesus that wanted the Native Peoples killed so they can build churches all over America, so God and Jesus can be worshipped? including preachers being worshipped, many preachers living a life of Grandeur, and you and Tom Tewell could not recognize truth if it smacked you in the face.

I know I'm wasting my time, I can't seem to awake people from their religious mind fog.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ben,

Your rational still comes from your hate of christians taking away land from native indians. That is not the question here. The question is whether Rev. Tewell can still be effective in his career choosing. You are not comparing apples to apples.

You are still not allowing other sides an opinion...You are right period...no other opinions required? No one is doubting your conviction of the problems of the american indians, you just cant discount the rest of the world to further your cause.


Anonymous Dano said...
Posted by Anonymous to ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion at 3/20/2006 03:06:41 PM

"Tom was a good minister, has had a major problem. Does that mean he cannot redeem himself now?"

That is an oxymoron. You can't teach people mythology as if it were truth, and screw up their brains and lives and "Be Good"
Dan (Rationalist)


Anonymous Anonymous said...
OK-first of all...any Christian with good sound theology knows that a person does not redeem him or herself...it is God who is the redeemer. This is part of the problem with you people...you cannot distinguish between God and Tom Tewell. Tom Tewell is not the saviour...God is the Saviour. Please get that!
Yes-pastor worship or hero worship is idolatry and there is a lot of that going on here.
This is not a "he said, she said" situation...there has been an investigation and a report has been made...the only reason people don't know what is in the report [i.e. the truth] is because Tom Tewell has requested a "stay" in the process until the lawsuit has been settled. Once that happens the truth about what happened will be made known.
Yes-Tom Tewell made a "mistake" with this woman, but the real mistake he made was to lie about it and try to cover it up. He lied to the investigative committee, to his staff, to his wife and to his congregation. Had he told the truth in the beginning, things would have gone differently. His ego and his narcissism don't allow for anything or anyone to get in the way of his career. He's like the Wizard of Oz..."pay no attention to what's going on behind that curtain...just look at me!" Sickening!
If Tom Tewell wants to be a preacher in the future, perhaps he should start preaching sermons that are honest about the human condition and the fact that we ALL struggle. Instead of preaching Norman Rockwell sermons about his 'perfect marriage" and his "perfect family" he should be honest and say that marriage [and life] is hard work...that's the truth. Nobody's life [Christian or exchristian or whatever] is perfect...not even Tom's
Tom should practice some of the integrity that he so often preaches about and tell the truth about what he did.
His family and the congregation/staff at FAPC deserve at least that much. Then you can all "forgive him" and you'll know what you're forgiving him for.
There's no disputing that he has done good things in his ministry, but there is also no disputing that he has become a hypocrite. If we say we have no sine then the truth is not in us. Tom Tewell needs to confess, repent and ask for forgiveness...and be honest about what he is asking to be forgiven from. Otherwise it's just cheap grace.


Blogger Shannon said...
Anonymous 3/20/2006 3:06 PM EST

-I’ve known my best friend since eighth grade, nearly 23 years. I whole-heartily love her. She is one of the most important persons in my life. I understand her character to be that she would not cheat on her husband.

-But if she were to flagrantly conspire to cheat on her husband and was caught, I - honestly, without doubt - would condemn her. Even if her husband would choose to stay with her, I would still divorce her from my life because there are certain things that morally I abhor. For me there are lines of behavior you don’t cross and if you do there is no redemption. After someone has taken the moral highroad and then precede right down to the lowroad without a blinker, there are no excuses. Zero.

“No one is condoning what he did (whatever it is) but does that condemn the man forever?”

-Seems to me that your god has a policy of condemning people FOREVER.

“A father, who makes a mistake and robs a bank, is still a father and no one can take away the excellent way he may have brought up his kids even though he has now robbed a bank. Yes he should not have robbed the bank, but he was a good father and could possible still be a good father.”

-So is this what you would tell your daughter if her husband was caught robbing bank? The mindset of someone, who thought the robbing a bank was his only recourse, is hardly someone who would be the best moral teacher. He could serve as what not to do but then I’ve always hated the do-as-I-say-and-not-as-I-do mantra.


Blogger FatherTyme said...
Just as I thought! It doesn't matter to you that the christian religion has blood on it's hands, and your self-appointed preacher himself, has no idea that he is promoting a religion that was brought over here in USA and is responceable for the murder of innocent Indians all killed in the name of Jesus.

God is no savior, he allowed innocent Indians to be killed in his name. Get That!!

Apparently you do not consider Indians to be human beings either.


Anonymous Anonymous said...
What a relief to know that we are all perfect ! So glad none of us would have to ask for forgiveness. So glad that would never happen to us. ex christian.net is pretty much the same as ex-out of touch of reality.net no discussion allowed here I guess.


Blogger .:webmaster:. said...
No discussion allowed?

You just posted for crying out loud!

What you don't like is people who disagree with you.

Have a nice day.


Blogger south2003 said...
Annoy said: What a relief to know that we are all perfect ! So glad none of us would have to ask for forgiveness.

How about an apology first? This preacher did his womanizing on many occasions and now he's busted. If he was not busted, he would have continued.

So why look for forgiveness when you had the other option available i.e. personal responsibility - one that doesn't cause pain. That option is available to everyone, but apparently, he loved to self indulge on others expense.


Blogger Shannon said...
ARGH! This is not a matter of perfection. We all say one thing and do another. We all crossed the gray lines of right and wrong but Dr. Tewell did not use the company credit card to buy a Metallic CD.

And yes, we, humans often fail each other miserably but we are not talking about shortcomings in emotional support here. Dr. Tewell didn’t just slip onto top of Mrs. Vione while she just happened to be horizontal and naked. This is not a failure in judgment; this is moral bankruptcy. He systematically chose each step, consciously. In his understanding of the standards that he chose to promote, he knew adultery to be wrong.

Dr. Tewell’s responsibility was to uphold the bar for the standards - no ifs, ands or buts about. His position, also, allowed him to lop guilt and condemnation onto others for the sins of lustfulness, adultery, and divorce.

The physical action of committing adultery is truly the lesser of his crimes. His high crime is the flagrant and systematical disregard for the standards that he was supposed to duly uphold.


Blogger south2003 said...
"Dr. Tewell’s responsibility was to uphold the bar for the standards - no ifs, ands or buts about. His position, also, allowed him to lop guilt and condemnation onto others for the sins of lustfulness, adultery, and divorce."

"The physical action of committing adultery is truly the lesser of his crimes. His high crime is the flagrant and systematical disregard for the standards that he was supposed to duly uphold."

Well said Shannon


Anonymous onlooker said...
Actually Shannon,

Nicely said. Those in position of authority have not to sway. No if or buts.

good job


Blogger Friend of Tom said...
Do any of you who are commenting about Dr. Tewell really know him. I find it amazing people can say such things about a person they do not even know.

I do know him. Perhaps when the courts finally rule on this situation everyone will have to find another person to talk about.


Anonymous Dave8 said...
Well, Friend of Tom, I'll ask you the hard question. If Tom were an Atheist, would you be on this site, supporting him? Or, would it be more accurate to say, that you would expect an Atheist to commit such a crime, and thus require no special support.

Now, if you choose to support the Atheist, then just remember...

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"

2 Corinthians 6:15 - "And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"

You see, Friend of Tom, before I was born, you were predisposed to shun everyone who doesn't believe as you do. Is it Tom, that has been betrayed or is it more likely, that you and Tom, have a belief founded in bigotry, and thus, shun all those who do not believe as you.

If justice is to be served, hopefully, it is by the hand of someone in a judges' position, that isn't as bigotted, as your bible promotes.

Whether Tom is guilty of this crime, or not, he is surely guilty for being an accessory and trafficker of bigotted hatred, based on the doctrine he must accept as truth, the bible. And you, Friend of Tom, are nothing but a supporter for one who has vowed their life to support the doctrine of bigotry.

When Tom is long gone, and you as well, there will long be the topic of christian bigotry to address, if history serves as an accurate measure.

If you would like to discuss, how you are able to reconcile the bigotry of the bible, and how you "choose" to behave in society, as tolerant of non-believers, then please, by all means, elaborate... as that would be something worthy of discussion.


Blogger Friend of Tom said...
Dave, you still did not answer my question. "Do any of you who are commenting about Dr. Tewell really know him." I still don't think so.

As far as your question, "If Tom were an Atheist, would you be on this site, supporting him? Or, would it be more accurate to say, that you would expect an Atheist to commit such a crime, and thus require no special support."

I would be on this site and am on this site because I care for the person and his family. Whatever happened to presumed innocent until proven guilty. People who have been responding on this site have already judged and sentenced this man.

Tom and Janette Brenner


Anonymous Anonymous said...
We attended FAPC for the first time in 2 years, just this Sunday.

Tom's absence was palpable and it only took a quick look today via Google to get some background.

A dreadful situation notwithstanding, but maybe we need to invoke the famous and maybe shelfworn.. "WWJD"...I'm pretty sure he'd remind us that forgiveness is the ultimate expression that our faith demands..

I'm proud of being faithful for 35 years of marriage...however.. .. There but for fate goes anyone of us..


Our prayers are with Tom and his family.


MACMD


Anonymous gordon thompson said...
I am so glad that most people who are commenting against Tom Tewell are not on a jury in a capital case
He is convicted and he has not been given a chance to defend himself, what a great bunch of sanctimonious Christians you are, Joe MacCarthy has nothing on you guys.
Don't you know that 80% of law suits don't even go to trial, so let see if there is a trial and wait for the verdict instead of you convicting Tom, there has been enougth damage to the man allready.


Blogger Bentley said...
By fervently and quickly ready and willing to forgive this preacher at the drop of a hat, condones and leaves the door open for you Christians should you perhaps find yourselves in the same situation some day, knowing that Tom Tewell will be there ready and willing to forgive you also, at the drop of a hat. This is the guise of Christianity.


Anonymous Dave8 said...
Gordon Thompson: "...so let see if there is a trial and wait for the verdict instead of you convicting Tom, there has been enougth damage to the man allready."

That's what many sexual predators say, when they have their name loaded on the crime database. They were convicted of a crime, they were punished, and they continue to live with the stigma for the rest of their life, as long as state laws enforce court release of records.

One question, why should this preacher be treated any different, "if" he is found guilty, as there is currently as much, if not more probability that some form of improper misconduct occurred. I suppose once a person, gets through their trials and tribulations, they should be allowed to recover and move on. However, for those who are shown to have stumbled, they require society to "help" them from being placed in a position that compromises their weakness, whatever it is.

Oh, and many cases don't go to trial, because many people; don't want to be victimized twice (or continuously) through the legal process which is part of the public record, don't have the money, or don't have the knowledge or support in order to know how to ensue a legal case in civil court.

Also, court cases that do go to trial, aren't perfect. Some guilty people walk free, and some innocent are gound guilty. The ones who will really deliberate on this case, will be the local community, based on this persons' actions and the testimonies of the plantiffs. There will be those in the end, who will have to choose between the testomonies of those who accuse, and the defendent.

I find it interesting, that a person paid to be a professional preacher, who by their very profession requires them to bear witness and testimony of a god, spirits (holy ghost), devils, heaven, hell, angels, etc., that have zero evidence.

How does one tell the difference between a lie, or false testimony, and the preachers' religious testimony? Neither one, would have evidence supporting the statements.

It would appear, when empty words become acceptable as the foundation for truth, that every