Karyn Hollway wrote:

I attended Abundant Life Church for five years. Pastor Ron was a awesome pastor. He just made some bad choices. We all have sinned and we are not the ones to sit and judge him. We've all amde bad choices in our lifetimes. I know I have so I'am not going to sit and judge Pastor Ron for his mistakes. Cause I know he never sat and judged me for my mistakes.

posted: December 01, 2005 EST  

Anonymous wrote:

My last comment. Jesus loves you.
Tom Ventura
PS God forgives us all.

posted: December 16, 2005 EST  

south2003 wrote:

I smell the Stockholm Syndrome here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Here you are, trying to excuse this pastor's unethical practices.

1) Karyn said: "I attended Abundant Life Church for five years. Pastor Ron was a awesome pastor"

[And if the pastor were to screwing you with a toothpick, you would still say he's awesome.]

2) karyn said: "I know I have so I'am not going to sit and judge Pastor Ron for his mistakes. Cause I know he never sat and judged me for my mistakes."

[And why would he be so busy pointing a finger. He was more concerned about making his money off his sheep. Of course he's going to sugar coat the "error of your ways" and not seem so upset about them]

"In all, the former pastor used more than $100,000 in church funds for personal use..."

[and some of that money was yours - 10% tithes and offerings. Do you know how many this jerk could have fed, clothe and shelter with $100,000?]

posted: December 16, 2005 EST  

Ross Temple wrote:

I went to Abundant Life for a couple years. The people there are like any other church in America. I should know, I have ran the gambit of denominations to find the truth. While in Abundant Life I experienced Ron's teaching. At first It was very up lifting and freeing. Then He started preaching that blessings starts in the natural first. Then God blesses it and God increases that gift back to you.
Sorry, doesnt work that way Ron. Tim Ventura ( kick the soul tie). Why don't you tell everybody how much money Ron gave you to start your satellite church. Ron was building His network of churches to increase His net worth. Now whether this was Ron's plan or not, God knows. The problem with this type of teaching strategy is Money. Ron's son Ricky shouldn't have been running the books. Bad management, definitely. The question I brought to Ron before his escapade was "When are you going to start in home teaching?" You see at a certain point a church gets to a point in growth where it starts to feel special. This is OK, but when you drift over into thinking your better than someone coming into your church and start forming clicks You become isolationists. THIS IS SOMETHING GOD HATES.

Isa 1:23-26
23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
(KJV)

Jer 5:23-31
23 'But this people has a stubborn and rebellious heart; they have turned aside and departed.
24 'They do not say in their heart, "Let us now fear the LORD our God, who gives rain in its season, both the autumn rain and the spring rain, who keeps for us the appointed weeks of the harvest."
25 'Your iniquities have turned these away, and your sins have withheld good from you.
26 'For wicked men are found among My people, they watch like fowlers lying in wait; they set a trap, they catch men.
27 'Like a cage full of birds, so their houses are full of deceit; therefore they have become great and rich.
28 'They are fat, they are sleek, they also excel in deeds of wickedness; they do not plead the cause, the cause of the orphan, that they may prosper; and they do not defend the rights of the poor.
29 'Shall I not punish these {people?'} declares the LORD, 'On a nation such as this shall I not avenge myself?'
30 "An appalling and horrible thing Has happened in the land:
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule on their {own} authority; and My people love it so! But what will you do at the end of it?
(NAS)

1 Cor 4:2-15
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.
9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
(KJV)

You see it's the Gift of God that is given to all men that are believing, receiving grace. We are to seek another mans wealth and to have all things in common. The "church i.e. building" is not the focus. When we lose sight of helping others, having a good conscience before God and focus on the work. We step into deeds and justify doings or not doings.


1 Cor 12:4-14
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
6 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free-- and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many.
(NIV)

God Loves us and is for us. Don't doubt it. All things will be clear on the day of judgement. All those unbelieving out there that read this. God Loves YOU! Just believe and do. Thats it! Cool huh. God Himself will manifest His way to you. Study the word and God will lead you into the all truth. Don't get discouraged when you make a mistake. Just repent and know that God forgives You, satan bad, God good.

Ross Temple

posted: March 05, 2006 EST  

Dan (Rationalist) wrote:

Ross Temple wrote:
"God Loves us and is for us. Don't doubt it. All things will be clear on the day of judgment. All those unbelieving out there that read this. God Loves YOU! Just believe and do. That's it! Cool huh. God Himself will manifest His way to you. Study the word and God will lead you into the all truth. Don't get discouraged when you make a mistake. Just repent and know that God forgives You, Satan bad, God good"

It's scary to think that there are literally billions of humans on this planet who don't have any more critical thinking skills than this.

That's it folks, we are doomed to go out in a nuclear exchange over whether my God is better than your God!

Sorry, but in my opinion it isn't possible to change the mindset of either the Christian fundamentalists nor the Muslim fundamentalist.

We are marching steadily toward oblivion!
Dan (Rationalist)

posted: March 05, 2006 EST  

Dave8 wrote:

Hey Ross Temple, which god are you talking about? Perhaps its Set.

posted: March 05, 2006 EST  

.:webmaster:. wrote:

Ross Temple says god loves us but he hates Isolationists.

He loves us, but if we don't love him back, it's the eternal BBQ pit for all of us.

God loves the sinner and hates the sin, but it's the sinner that gets roasted and toasted...forever...world without end...amen...amen.

If you love something, you can let it go. Love is not possession -- love is freedom. Love is not freedom with an accompanying threat of torturous retribution for living free.

Ross! What sins have you personally committed that warrant an eternity of horrific pain and agony as a just punishment? Please tell us.

The punishment should fit the crime, and if the wages of sin is the death penalty, then why is it that unbelievers are going to live forever in hell? Oh, I know, they don't really die, they live forever in the second death of hell. True justice for the temporal sin of unbelief is eternal life in agony.

Nice demonstration of love, that is.

Ross, you are following myths - silly myths - think about it.

posted: March 05, 2006 EST  

JTFINALLYFREE wrote:

Ross I'm just a little curious as to what God your talking about?? Are you talking about that Christian God of the bible which was stolen from the other pagan religions of its day?? Have you done any independent research on your own?? Have you ever read about the other writings about Jesus from writers in his time in which they clearly describe him kissing and lusting after a woman??? My guess is no!! Through Science we are just starting to learn more and more about how carefully crafted Christianity was by the early church to control the masses. Ross your just spouting off the same ole crap that we used to say when we were believers!

posted: March 05, 2006 EST  

Anonymous wrote:

WHY IS EVERYONE JUDGING..LET GOD DIRECT AND GUIDE YOUR PATH.. HE IS THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE JUDGING..WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT..

posted: September 03, 2006 EST  

Anonymous wrote:

I think it's hysterical that his "congregation" is so willing to defend him. You can't convince many of them that he did anything wrong, and it was them he stole from. Sheesh. Here's some free advice. Don't drink the kool-aid.

posted: September 10, 2006 EST  

Anonymous wrote:

It has been a year since the man formaly known as "Pastor Ron" was arrested. Is it true that charges have been droped?

posted: September 14, 2006 EST  

mike rush wrote:

The prosecution is having difficulty trying to come up with enough evidence to go to court with to prove the allegations. It's been a witch hunt from the start.

posted: September 15, 2006 EST  

Anonymous wrote:

I find it disgusting that when I search for Abundant Life Church I came up with this website.
I never knew Pastor Ron, but I know the new Pastor and I love him and his family. God brought my family to this place and my husband was delivered from alcoholism and cigaretts in just a few short months. The problem was that the old congregation looked to Pastor Ron instead of God and when he fell it was devastating and traumatic and the church has suffered immensly. Our new pastor doesn't even want to be called "Pastor" as he is a man just like the rest of us. If we keep our eyes on God it will not matter what the people around us do. Trust in HIm and everything else will come as it will.

posted: November 30, 2006 EST  

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